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New poll, same result: Tories, Libs in dead heat

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New poll, same result: Tories, Libs in dead heat

Updated Mon. Aug. 24 2009 6:01 PM ET

The Canadian Press

Ottawa -- Conservatives and Liberals might want to think twice before plunging the country into another fall election, a new poll suggests.

The Canadian Press Harris-Decima survey indicates the two main federal parties remain locked in a dead heat, neither within range of winning a majority.

According to the poll, the parties were in a statistical tie, with 32 per cent support for the Liberals and 31 per cent for the Tories.

The NDP were at 16 per cent, the Greens at 11, and the Bloc Quebecois at nine.

The numbers have barely budged throughout the summer, a period in which voters are typically disengaged.

"It's hard to believe that any party would be sort of clamouring to have an election this fall given that none of the parties are even at 35, let alone 40 per cent, and you pretty much need 40 to be thinking that you're anywhere near a majority," said Jeff Walker, Harris-Decima's senior vice-president.

The findings are consistent with those of most other polls throughout the summer. However, a recent Ipsos-Reid poll, which surveyed half as many respondents, suggested the Tories had amassed a commanding 10-point lead.

Despite the less-than-encouraging polling numbers, some Liberals are eager for an autumn election and are pushing leader Michael Ignatieff to topple the minority Tory government.

The Liberals will have an opportunity on Sept. 30 to force a confidence vote, most likely over employment insurance if it happens. The two parties are engaged in acrimonious negotiations aimed at making it easier to qualify for EI benefits.

Ignatieff insists he wants to make Parliament work but he's also indulged in a bit of sabre rattling, warning that it's becoming harder and harder to justify propping up Prime Minister Stephen Harper's government.

By contrast, the Conservatives are warning against the prospect of another election less than a year after the last national vote. They pounced Monday on Ignatieff's assertion that an election wouldn't create political instability.

"There's not one single person in the world who'd agree with him on that. You can't just say things that are so outrageously false," said Transport Minister John Baird.

"It's clear the economy is at a critical stage. We're seeing some good positive signs of economic activity but they're fragile. I think the last thing the country needs right now is the political instability that an election would cause."

Baird said an election would mean government would "grind to a halt," with decision making and financial commitments put on hold throughout the campaign and beyond until a new cabinet could be sworn in and Parliament convened.

The Conservatives weren't as concerned about having Parliament up and running last fall when Harper had the body dissolved in order to avoid a non-confidence vote -- even as the country plunged into recession.

According to the Harris-Decima survey, the Liberals held a six-point lead in the crucial electoral battleground of Ontario, with 40 per cent support to the Conservatives' 34 per cent. The NDP was at 13 per cent and the Greens at 10.

In Quebec, the Bloc remained in front with 37 per cent, while the Liberals dipped to 28 per cent. The Tories were way back at 12 per cent, with the NDP at 11 and the Greens at 10.

The Tories retained their iron grip on the Prairies, with 62 per cent support in Alberta and 44 per cent in Manitoba-Saskatchewan.

A month-long surge in support for the Greens in British Columbia turned that province into a four-way race, with the Tories at 28 per cent, the NDP at 26 per cent, the Greens at 24 and the Liberals at 20.

In Atlantic Canada, the Liberals led with 38 per cent, followed by the NDP at 32 per cent, the Tories at 23 and the Greens at five.

The survey of just over 2,000 respondents was conducted Aug. 13-23. A sample that size is considered accurate to within 2.2 percentage points 19 times in 20. The margin of error is larger for regional sub-samples.

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Some Liberals would say merge with the NDP, but to-day's Liberals are actually slightly to the left of centre whereas the NDP are way to the left of centre. An NDP'er is someone who thinks raising taxes is the solution to every problem.:(
 

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Rockslinger said:
An NDP'er is someone who thinks raising taxes is the solution to every problem.:(
No, just raising the taxes at the middle and upper income brackets. Can you imagine a government with big's freeloaders in it, now that's a truly scarey thought. Fortunately the general population is smarter than that with the NDP barely ahead of the Green Party which holds no seats.
 

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train said:
Can you imagine a government with big's freeloaders in it, now that's a truly scarey thought.
OMG they would award themselves 400 bankable "sick" days a year:( !
 

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a friend sent me this email - I thought it interesting

I asked my friend's little girl what she wanted to be when she grows up.

She said she wanted to be Prime Minister of Canada some day.

Both of her parents, NDP supporters, were standing there, so I asked her,
"If you were Prime Minister what would be the first thing you would do?"

She replied, "I'd give food and houses to all the homeless people."

Her parents beamed, and said, "Welcome to the NDP Party!"

"Wow...what a worthy goal!" I told her. I continued, "But you don't have
to wait until you're Prime Minister to do that. You can come over to my
house, mow the lawn, pull weeds, and sweep my yard, and I'll pay you $50.
Then I'll take you over to the grocery store where the homeless guy hangs
out. You can give him the $50 to use toward food and a new house."

She thought that over for a few seconds, then she looked me straight in
the eye and asked,

"Why doesn't the homeless guy come over and do the work, and you can just
pay him the $50?"

I smiled and said, "Welcome to the Conservative Party."

Her parents still aren't speaking to me.
 

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It is the solution to every problem but.....

Rockslinger said:
Some Liberals would say merge with the NDP, but to-day's Liberals are actually slightly to the left of centre whereas the NDP are way to the left of centre. An NDP'er is someone who thinks raising taxes is the solution to every problem.:(
You only raise taxes on rich people who can afford to pay more of course.

This is the road to the world's best, schools, health system, clean environment, end of poverty etc

Ask manitoba if the NDP is ok.

Of course from where I sit, the Tories are far right, the Liberal are quite right of centre, the NDP is the centre and the Greens are well confused.
 

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Mrbig1949 said:
You only raise taxes on rich people who can afford to pay more of course.

This is the road to the world's best, schools, health system, clean environment, end of poverty etc

Ask manitoba if the NDP is ok.

Of course from where I sit, the Tories are far right, the Liberal are quite right of centre, the NDP is the centre and the Greens are well confused.
Best schools, not bad but not the best, with the large number of grade 3 and 6 kids struggling with math and reading. I think the number stated today was 40%
 

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Mrbig1949 said:
You only raise taxes on rich people who can afford to pay more of course.

This is the road to the world's best, schools, health system, clean environment, end of poverty etc

Ask manitoba if the NDP is ok.

Of course from where I sit, the Tories are far right, the Liberal are quite right of centre, the NDP is the centre and the Greens are well confused.
Doer actually lowered taxes in Manitoba, while Premier, which totally disproves your point.

This is so typical of many, if not all, of your statements. Completely without basis in fact or merit.

It would be nice if Doer challenged that idiot Layton for the leadership. Might happen after the next election when the Jack and Olivia show barely finish ahead of the yappy Greens.
 

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Cycleguy007 said:
Does it really matter which of the 2 parties really wins?

They both do essentially the same thing anyway! Steal our money through a multitude of different means, and spend it on whatever the fuck they want including giving themselves big raises every year. :rolleyes:
Yes the Libs and Conservatives aren't much different in how they look after no.1
 
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