Need a winter car

[simon482]

similar argument can be made for never fucking women that are worth anything or eating food that is worth anything

the only little problem is that you end up living a life that is not worth anything

i suppose you could make that argument but i don't see it that way. enjoy the things in life, yes my opinion is not to waste money on a car because someone else can fuck that up for you and then you wasted a lot of money on something you can't ever have again.

i go out to nice restaurants and enjoy myself quite a bit. i do live a life worth living, i just don't live it through my car and don't want to every worry about something so trivial.

 

[simon482]

No, don't.

They have shitty weight distribution which makes for less than optimal traction. Remember, it is not getting going that is the safety issue, it is STOPPING.

The Subaru is a good idea, as is a used Volvo. But honestly, for $20k you can get a year or two old Hyundai Santa Fe with AWD, stability and traction control.

Any car nowadays with stability and traction control and a nice set of soft Blizzaks is a great winter vehicle

i drive pick ups in the winter quite often and never have an issue with traction, steering or stopping. i throw about a dozen bags of salt or sand in the back to put a little weight on the tires to help out with that. if i ever get stuck or i am in a place where i see someone stuck i have salt and sand in the back of my truck to get me or them out (which it has done quite a few times). you need to know how to drive though, the ability to drive makes like so much easier. i been driving since i was 6 years old, started on my grandpa's farm and i now drive for a living. so i guess i picked up a few tricks along the way.

 

[Malibook]

Nobody needs a nice car with AWD but they are sure nice to have.

If they are not for you, so what?
The point is not that the nice car will outlast 10-20 shitboxes of equal cost.

Plus a nice car can help to avoid the idiots and survive a serious accident and the fun factor of driving is relevant to some of us.

 

[simon482]

There has to be a story to go with all that anger. Personally I think there are an endless pile of morons behind wheels out there and that is why I drive the most modern and most safety featured car money can buy. Along with comfort and some performance. A good friend, an old army buddy in fact, is a fire fighter and he told me from very real experience what he sees on the side of the road. He knows what cars survive well and what cars destroy themselves and their passengers. So I'll stick with my expensive german cars and full size trucks so long as some rice rocket powered moron is out there racing about. In the world of safety there is no replacement for inertia. Money can always be replaced and I'd like to keep all my limbs as well as those of my loved ones.

i have seen so many people with brand new cars not even a day off the lot get smashed into and lose that car within a week. i just can't see spending the money on something that someone else can take away from you, there are a lot of bad drivers on the road these days, especially in southern ontario. i just wouldn't want to dump the 50-75k on something that i could lose easily. my friends dad drove truck for 40 years and he got in a wreck that was 100% not his fault and he died. experience counts for nothing when the person coming at you doesn't know what to do.

 

[Malibook]

i have seen so many people with brand new cars not even a day off the lot get smashed into and lose that car within a week. i just can't see spending the money on something that someone else can take away from you, there are a lot of bad drivers on the road these days, especially in southern ontario. i just wouldn't want to dump the 50-75k on something that i could lose easily. my friends dad drove truck for 40 years and he got in a wreck that was 100% not his fault and he died. experience counts for nothing when the person coming at you doesn't know what to do.

While this does happen a lot of times, the odds of it happening to anyone in particular are remote and hardly worth worrying about.
Do you not believe in insurance?

 

[simon482]

Gee Simon,

If you can afford it, you should live a little. Why not have a comfortable car. Have you ever owned a car that you really love to drive? As I said, the car I drive in the winter months is a Japanese car that you see quite often on the roads. It its very safe with every safety system available. I drive my back wheel drive car because it rides like a dream. I am curious to know what type of character and personality building car you drive.
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if i was going to waste money on a car i would buy either classic american muscle or the 2011 challenger fully loaded with the complete mopar package. i used to restore classic cars as a hobby and sell them off to people. did a 66 plymouth fury 3 with a wide block 318, restored it to original. made some good money off it.

 

[simon482]

Very heartwarming John Boy.

I have taken several winter driving courses with professional instructors. That has gone a lot further than my 30 years of "experience" also starting with driving on grandpa's lap on the farm (true) through driving snowplows (4x4 pickups through duallys through single axle dump trucks with wing plows) and more.

And folksy anecdotes aside, I know enough that the weight distribution and suspension of a pickup truck is nowhere near optimized for daily personal winter transportation. It is optimized for HAULING a thousand pound load in the truck bed.

And besides which, why drive a pickup truck when you don't have anything to haul around in the back? The OP is looking for a personal vehicle with internal storage. Comfort is also important to him.

i wasn't saying for him to buy a truck, i was just saying that driving them in winter is not as bad as you would think. i agree though that people in the city that buy trucks just so they can have a truck is stupid as hell. trucks are work vehicles, they are meant to get banged up and dirty. i got a car right now cuz i don't have loads of shit to carry around, so yeah i agree with you, no point in owning a truck if you are not hauling shit around.

 

[simon482]

While this does happen a lot of times, the odds of it happening to anyone in particular are remote and hardly worth worrying about.
Do you not believe in insurance?

i do believe in insurance, just not how the insurance companies are run. you pay and pay and pay for years, then when you need them you have to pay (deductible) then they give you a little bit and then make you pay more for using them. it is a very corrupt system. i have things i would rather spend my money on and just don't think about cars in the way other people do. go back to my earlier post and see the cars i have gotten for free, i have only paid for 1 vehicle since i started to drive legal. i get in a wreck, i laugh it off, scrap my car and walk away.

 

[Malibook]

i do believe in insurance, just not how the insurance companies are run. you pay and pay and pay for years, then when you need them you have to pay (deductible) then they give you a little bit and then make you pay more for using them. it is a very corrupt system. i have things i would rather spend my money on and just don't think about cars in the way other people do. go back to my earlier post and see the cars i have gotten for free, i have only paid for 1 vehicle since i started to drive legal. i get in a wreck, i laugh it off, scrap my car and walk away.

The deductible is only payable if you screw up, which seems perfectly sensible to me.

If some people want to drive a nice car, why do you care?
We don`t care about your cars, unless you are breaking down and blocking traffic.

 

[simon482]

The deductible is only payable if you screw up, which seems perfectly sensible to me.

If some people want to drive a nice car, why do you care?
We don`t care about your cars.

i don't care which i have said a few times over. we are having what is called a conversation where they ask me questions and i respond, then i ask them questions and the respond. i say my point and they counterpoint. it's what adults do and what we have been doing. i am explaining why i don't waste money on a car and at no point did i tell him not to. i just gave him places to look to find cheaper stuff as a means of saving money.

why did you comment on my post if you didn't need the whole thing, it made you look simple.

 

[Malibook]

i don't care which i have said a few times over. we are having what is called a conversation where they ask me questions and i respond, then i ask them questions and the respond. i say my point and they counterpoint. it's what adults do and what we have been doing. i am explaining why i don't waste money on a car and at no point did i tell him not to. i just gave him places to look to find cheaper stuff as a means of saving money.

why did you comment on my post if you didn't need the whole thing, it made you look simple.

The OP`s budget is $20k.
He is not asking for a cheap winter vehicle.
You didn`t give him places to look for cheaper stuff.
Why don`t you tell him how to get in on these free vehicles that you speak of otherwise what is your point?

And you did tell him not to.

never drive a car that is worth anything any time of year. so many fucking horrible drivers on the road, last thing you want to do is pay for a car then have some retard hit you 10 mins later.

And this post also says a lot about you.

cars are a waste of money and are for men that lack personality to make up for it.

Talk about the pot calling the kettle Simple Simon.

 

[simon482]

The OP`s budget is $20k.
He is not asking for a cheap winter vehicle.
You didn`t give him places to look for cheaper stuff.
Why don`t you tell him how to get in on these free vehicles that you speak of otherwise what is your point?

And you did tell him not to.

And this post also says a lot about you.


Talk about the pot calling the kettle Simple Simon.

actually i suggested he check craigslist and kijiji for cheap winter vehicles, he said his neighbors would object. so there is me suggesting a place to look for a cheaper vehicle.

when i suggested he look for something cheap he had not said what his price range is and usually when someone says they are looking for a winter car they mean something to drive for 3-4 months then toss away.

when i said what i said about not driving a car that is worth a damn, i was not telling him what to do, i was stating my opinion on the subject.

where i said cars are for men that lack personality, i was poking fun at the cat, cuz we jab at each other like that.

you seriously lack a lot of things and intelligence is at the top of the list.

 

[Malibook]

Simple Simon, your posts here are about as relevant as somone asking about a $500,000 condo and you directing them to a $300 per month rooming house.

 

[TVA]

simon, I agree with you about a real man don't need a fancy car to feel important.. however....

an ultra cheap used car, anything like under $5000 risks mechanical failure at any moment. The repair cost will be horrendous, not to mention dangerous should engine or braking system suddenly fail while you are on highway. I guess you have to be somewhat a mechanic yourself to inspect the car thoroughly before buying it. What steps do YOU take to make sure the car will at least last 3 - 4 months without major work?

 

[TVA]

Has anyone imported car from USA? Like everything else, it's significantly cheaper. I was looking at Honda Element. It's $20K in US, and $26 or $28K in Canada. Exactly same specs. Even more differences in higher end models. What is import duties like? Is it still worth it after paying import duty?

 

[simon482]

Simple Simon, your posts here are about as relevant as somone asking about a $500,000 condo and you directing them to a $300 per month rooming house.

so i prove you wrong on everything you said and you resort to childish insults. that is about typical on what i was expecting of you.

 

[Perry Mason]

To get back to the subject of this thread. I agree with the recommendation of a 2 or 3 year old Hyundai [or Kia] SUV with AWD.

Last year I bought a 2 year old Hyundai Tucson with a V6 and AWD, put winter tires on it and had the best winter driving experiences I have ever had... and I have been driving for many decades!

Very comfortable and easy to drive. Breezed through roads where others were struggling.

Perry

 

[simon482]

simon, I agree with you about a real man don't need a fancy car to feel important.. however....

an ultra cheap used car, anything like under $5000 risks mechanical failure at any moment. The repair cost will be horrendous, not to mention dangerous should engine or braking system suddenly fail while you are on highway. I guess you have to be somewhat a mechanic yourself to inspect the car thoroughly before buying it. What steps do YOU take to make sure the car will at least last 3 - 4 months without major work?

i agree with you an what you are saying, you have to know what you are buying to know it is safe. however any major repair no matter the car the first question i would ask is "is it worth it to fix" then move on from there. buying new or used you are at risk of a lemon, but used is a slightly higher risk. no one that is selling a used car is gonna tell you the truth to why they are selling it. like i said i get cars for free, and they last me about a year then something goes wrong and i toss it or give it to someone else. then move on to the next car.

you run a certain risk no matter what you buy that it is gonna be a piece of shit. cars built on a tuesday and wednesday are gonna be better than a car built on a friday or monday. yes you can go back in research far enough to find out the day and shift your car was made on.

for me when i pick up one of the pieces of shit that i drive. i take it for a test drive, not for 10 mins either, usually for an hour or so to let it get warmed up and hiccups to come into play, take it to my friends shop and pop the tires off on the hoist and looks at the front and rear brakes, look at the lines and frame. look for rust in the shock towers. exhaust leaks. i basically give the car a full tour to check for everything that can been seen visual. sensors and stuff or another thing altogether, you cannot tell when a sensor is gonna blow out, that just happens.

i also keep an address in northern ontario for cheaper car insurance and no emissions testing.

 

[simon482]

To get back to the subject of this thread. I agree with the recommendation of a 2 or 3 year old Hyundai [or Kia] SUV with AWD.

Last year I bought a 2 year old Hyundai Tucson with a V6 and AWD, put winter tires on it and had the best winter driving experiences I have ever had... and I have been driving for many decades!

Very comfortable and easy to drive. Breezed through roads where others were struggling.

Perry

my brother had a kia sportage. that little thing would slice through the snow pretty damn good. little pizza cutter tires on it. the small wheel base made for some issues though.

 

[Malibook]

so i prove you wrong on everything you said and you resort to childish insults. that is about typical on what i was expecting of you.

Your posts are completely irrelevant and your humour was lost on everybody but yourself and I am the one who is fucked up here?

never drive a car that is worth anything any time of year.

You forgot the I would part.

good for you driving around in a giant waste of money, i am proud of you for wasting money on a nice car

There has to be a story to go with all that anger.

cars are a waste of money and are for men that lack personality to make up for it.

hahahaha, good one

Gee Simon,
If you can afford it, you should live a little. Why not have a comfortable car.

similar argument can be made for never fucking women that are worth anything or eating food that is worth anything
the only little problem is that you end up living a life that is not worth anything

Very heartwarming John Boy.