Native Protest Day

Prior to European settlers arriving, North America was in a constant state of turmoil, as aborignal bands raided each other, claiming and reclaiming prime land, constantly creating and breaking alliances to get ahead. It was very dynamic, with the strong surviving. This is what I have gathered from the history I have read anyway. So essentially the settlers beat them at their own game, it was not like they had a peaceful orderly system with recognized ownership which settlers trampled.

That being said, aboriginal people in Canada experience a shocking level of misery of all forms. I do not believe that it is due to "racism", as no other group has as many systematic advantages, or are as entrenched. It is indeed "their fault", in that in stems from how they behave, not what is done to them. But that being said, they obviously do not do it on purpose, just because some of them are morons, does not mean we should turn our backs and not try and help. But when morons sieze a highway, it makes it a lot harder to justify all the money being spent.

I love it when people say that the governent should speed up the negotiation process, how do you suppose it goes? Like this, I would guess:
Government: We will give you a billion dollars.
Aboriginals: We also want PEI, the CN Tower and the Leafs.
Government: Two billion.
Aboriginals: And Manitoba, and Bentleys.
Government: Three billion.

How can it be a negotiation, what do the aboriginals ever give up? They just ask for more and more and more, even when they agree that they are satisfied, another group can come along next year and say the first group was tricked, and do not represent them, and they want more. They have learned that if they demand more, and misbehave, they get more. And they never pay any price for asking for more, so why would they stop? Some political will to stop rewarding them, and start punishing them for misbehaving would be good, but until we figure out a way to actually cure the misery, there is no solution. Giving them all two million dollars would solve nothing, they would piss it away and be miserable.
 
I have a question: how does the U.S. deal with these land claims? We don't seem to hear about it ever happening down there but up here it is an ongoing issue that doesn't seem like it will ever end. Our wishy washy governments are to blame, in typical fashion they treat this like every other issue, not wanting to offend anyone and ignoring problems and hoping they will just resolve on their own.
 
LoveThemGirls said:
I have a question: how does the U.S. deal with these land claims? We don't seem to hear about it ever happening down there but up here it is an ongoing issue that doesn't seem like it will ever end. Our wishy washy governments are to blame, in typical fashion they treat this like every other issue, not wanting to offend anyone and ignoring problems and hoping they will just resolve on their own.
Without this turning too racist American killed most of their natives so it really cut down on any claims.
 
What about all the money they get from the Casino's etc.....does that all go towards their booze, and cigarettes? Oh yeah, some of you buy illegal booze and cigarettes from them.:rolleyes:
A friends boyfiend is moving to Labrador to be an RCMP officer on an Indian Reserve...apparently last year half the people on the island went to jail for different reasons.
 
what's a day of action?

is that when you get out of bed in the morning to go look for a job?

if so, i don't expect to see too many more of these in the future.
 
Kind of amazes me that they have money for guns and ammo and have killed every living animal on the Desaronto reserve , overfished the salmon river ,that the goverment had to restock it. Too bad the rich indians wouldn't lend the poorer ones a hand in binging their standard of living up, like maybe digging a well or 2 for water. I certainly don't see any shortage of indians playing bingo and living at the Howard Johnson.:(
 
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What's with all the "natives" that they interviewed on TV?
They all look like a white man to me.
 
CapitalGuy said:
I had the impression we spend about $7 Billion a year on Indian and Northern Affairs. That would be the third biggest governmental expenditure after Health Care and Defence, but we never hear about it.

So my solution is to give each and every status Indian a cheque for $2 Million. We'd be very generous about who qualifies - even unborn Native Canadians would be eligible, as the total outlay would still be far below one year's budget for the department. Then, we close Indian Affairs, and never offer another penny towards the affair. They should be able to turn their winnings into generations of success.

Actually, Health Care is a provincial responsibility.

Next to National Defence, the Department of Indian Affairs has the highest budget in the federal government.

I have one question to the native leaders:

Where did all the money go that the feds gave you? (year after year)

The fact of the matter is that the money is never accounted for. It just disappears into a bottomless pit (i.e. stolen). There's a few natives who are making off like bandits - literally.

A few years ago, I remember that there was a huge outburst when the feds were going to ask the native bands to account for where the money went. The feds weren't going to tell them how to spend it, just they wanted to see the receipts. The natives went nuts and the plan was dropped.

By continuing to fund the natives year after year, we are simply enabling the current status quo of poverty and isolation to continue. As unthinkable as it may be, the solution is to cut off the money. Get the natives to finally stand on their own feet rather than live as beggars. It's radical, but it needs to happen.
 
canada-man said:
they choose to live on shitty reserves(like kaschetchewan which was flooded out) and caledonia in the middle of no where where there are no jobs and no services they can always move to areas with jobs.

Ummmmmm. . . not really most were given a choice many years ago - reservation or residential school. Most went to school, but those who wanted to live without interference took the reserve option. But really they had no choice. Today, yes you are right they have a choice and can leave/move anytime but 100 years ago there was little choice for a native Canadian.
 
LancsLad said:
Different time, now we know, hit em hard and fast with overwhelming force. They will huff and puff and run away.:)

I dunno about that. The one thing you have to admit about the natives is that they aren't cowards. They aren't afraid to fight and cause shit.

I do believe that if things get out of hand, sending the cops in is a huge mistake. The natives don't respect keystone cops since they (the cops) are simply seen as errand boys.

Send in the military. The natives respect the military since the military is seen as a trained fighting force. During the oka stand off, the Canadian gov't did the right thing and sent in the army (of course, that was quebec, so the feds are only too happy to help). Watching the military on TV, it was brilliant the way they responded. They established a perimeter and then slowly constricted it till the natives ran out of room.
 
james t kirk said:
I dunno about that. The one thing you have to admit about the natives is that they aren't cowards. They aren't afraid to fight and cause shit.

I do believe that if things get out of hand, sending the cops in is a huge mistake. The natives don't respect keystone cops since they (the cops) are simply seen as errand boys.

Send in the military. The natives respect the military since the military is seen as a trained fighting force. During the oka stand off, the Canadian gov't did the right thing and sent in the army (of course, that was quebec, so the feds are only too happy to help). Watching the military on TV, it was brilliant the way they responded. They established a perimeter and then slowly constricted it till the natives ran out of room.



The natives are not brave its just a show. Faced with a trained and green lighted opposition they would sh*t their pants.

If they were to send in the military I'd pay money to re-up for a go at that lot.
 
LancsLad said:
The natives are not brave its just a show. Faced with a trained and green lighted opposition they would sh*t their pants.

If they were to send in the military I'd pay money to re-up for a go at that lot.


That is not a fair comment. Many have served in Canadian and U.S. armed forces with great distinction. Most of them were screwed when they got home after WW2. A VC winner ended up in the gutter before he died. The case received a lot of publicity at the time.

I met a chief recently who is an ex-U.S. marine.
 
Damondean said:
That is not a fair comment. Many have served in Canadian and U.S. armed forces with great distinction. Most of them were screwed when they got home after WW2. A VC winner ended up in the gutter before he died. The case received a lot of publicity at the time.

I met a chief recently who is an ex-U.S. marine.


I will admit and agree that some natives have served with honour and dignity in Her Majesty's Armed Forces and in those of The United States. I would hazard a guess that those veterans would have the same dim view of these bandana clad "warriors" as I do.
 
Her Majesty's Armed Forces pleeeease!

Reading some of these comments makes me want to renounce my Canadian Citizenship and revert to being a filthy immigrant again.

Happy Canada Day.
 
Von Wigglestaff said:
Her Majesty's Armed Forces pleeeease!

Reading some of these comments makes me want to renounce my Canadian Citizenship and revert to being a filthy immigrant again.

Happy Canada Day.



Try not to let the door hit your ass on the way out.
 
bavarian said:
IN RETURN you get to live on their land, ( at least in some areas ) theres a price for everything, so far this is the bandaid applied, if you notice the residents in Caledonia are more pissed at the government then the native's, there's an issue that no one wants to deal with.

Wait, we get to live on WHOSE land? It certainly wasn't there's...remember: all native north americans came here originally over the alaskan land bridge so it wasn't really thier's to begin with. COupled with the fact that I would like to see a NAME on a document that said "x acreage" belongs to Joe Screaming Eagle and then I'd have to see a ancestorial list and DNA testing to see if anyone alive today is related to Joe. Sorry, but just because you belong to a race of people doesn't give you rights to claim anything is yours. I am part polish, does that mean I can say ALL of poland belongs to me and any non-polish person or business who owns land there owes me money? Of course not, that's stupid.......

As for vets getting screwed after leaving the military, it isn't only restricted to native canadians. Many vets do not get the benefits they deserve upon completion of their tour.