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My Career predictions for Bouchard and Raonic

wazup

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Bouchard is entering into a dead era in womens tennis, should reach number 1 and finnish with 7 or more slams. Raonic on the other hand might rise to number 6 with no slams. He showed nothing against Federer that would indicate he can ever cosistently compete with the top players. He has a serve and that`s it.

His career will be like wilfred tsongas, still a good career but mostly a fringe player.
 

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Bouchard is entering into a dead era in womens tennis, should reach number 1 and finnish with 7 or more slams. Raonic on the other hand might rise to number 6 with no slams. He showed nothing against Federer that would indicate he can ever cosistently compete with the top players. He has a serve and that`s it.

His career will be like wilfred tsongas, still a good career but mostly a fringe player.
Dead era? Mind if I ask what you are basing that on?

I do agree that I am not sold on Sloane Stephens - superior athlete to Genie but may not end up being a better tennis player. However Madison Keys , Taylor Townsend, Monica Puig, Garbine Muguruza. These young players have loads of potential. By the way Madison Keys has bigger weapons than Genie - bigger serve and bigger forehand. Keys is younger than Genie so remember we cannot just compare their results to date and read anything into that because like I said Keys is younger and these players are at different stages of their maturation process. Taylor Townsend if she improves her fitness has limitless potential. Simona Halep is one of the better young players too.

Disagree with your comment that Raonic has a serve and thats it. He came out of the womb with the serve (1st and 2nd) & the FH. Under Galo Blanco there was about a 2 year period where I saw ZERO improvement in the other aspects of his game. However, under Ljubicic he has improved his return of serve by leaps and bounds. The % of returns he puts in play now is FAR greater than it was one year ago. Quality of the ROS has improved as well. The backhand , defense/movement has improved too. What I do think he needs work on is his game up at net and tactics. He is not a very good volleyer. I have seen him miss makeable volleys, I have seen him come in behind poor approaches. And tactically he sometimes runs around his BH a little too much - that forces him to expend more energy and sometimes gets him into trouble b/c occasionally he runs himself right off the court and if he doesnt do something with that FH he gives the opponent an open court. Also, even today we saw him allow Fed to just chip those 2nd serve returns back into play. He should have used the S & V tactic and come in behind the 2nd serve to force Fed to hit that return.
 

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Dead era? Mind if I ask what you are basing that on?
I can answer that. It is the anti-Canadian thing. Anytime we come up with a top level athlete outside of hockey we have the people who think we cannot be good at anything so lets get the excuses out there immediately before the athlete embarrasses Canada. We can then say 'see we knew this would happen' or 'see we told you he/she was not very good'. .... Who needs the (US network)Fox idiots.
 

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Darn I was hoping that this thread was about her being a celebrity escort! Oh well, I can dream. She sure seems like a real screamer in bed!
 

wazup

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The womens game doesn`t seem to have players with any staying power like graf, seles(pre stabbing), and williams. The women seem to appear and disappear just as quickly. Raonic has a terrible record against the big players and I think that will plague him his whole career, he had no response for an aging federer.
 

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The womens game doesn`t seem to have players with any staying power like graf, seles(pre stabbing), and williams.
The Serena era is just about over but I think someone will fill the void or maybe not, maybe it will simply be a revolving door.
 

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Bouchard got destroyed today, a lot of the attention she is getting is because of her good looks, is she an above average player(not great)in a dead era , that's how I see it, let's see how it all unfolds. Slams revised to 4.lol
 

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I think Bouchard will have a more successful career with multiple GS titles. Raonic will do well though with that booming serve which should take him to quite a few titles in his career. Maybe even a grand slam or two. He's just not at the level of the elite players like Nadal, Federer, Djokovic...
 

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Dead era? Mind if I ask what you are basing that on?
I understand what he's trying to say, in the sense that a new era of women's tennis is about to begin with alot of new players about to start reaching there primes. Most of whom are unknown to us still, which is what I think he ment by "dead era". I see Bouchard winning quite a few grand slams and possibly an Olympic medal. Worried a injury may shorten her career at some point.


Men's tennis is way harder as the same 4-5 people win everything every season. Though Raonic is still young and hopefully once Federer finally plays like his age lol as well as Nadal, I can see Ronic winning at least one major grand slam tourny. I think a dead era in men's tennis is more likely, once we loose Federer, Nadal, Djkovic, Murray (pardon my spelling).
 

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I understand what he's trying to say, in the sense that a new era of women's tennis is about to begin with alot of new players about to start reaching there primes. Most of whom are unknown to us still, which is what I think he ment by "dead era". I see Bouchard winning quite a few grand slams and possibly an Olympic medal. Worried a injury may shorten her career at some point.


Men's tennis is way harder as the same 4-5 people win everything every season. Though Raonic is still young and hopefully once Federer finally plays like his age lol as well as Nadal, I can see Ronic winning at least one major grand slam tourny. I think a dead era in men's tennis is more likely, once we loose Federer, Nadal, Djkovic, Murray (pardon my spelling).
Genie's mental toughness quotient is through the roof and her compete level is up there with Serena, Shazza, Connors, Hewitt, Chang, Rafa. BUT, the one thing that concerns me is the power-quotient. She doesnt hit as big a ball as some of the other top ladies. In each of her 3 losses at the majors this year she faced an opponent with a noticeably greater power quotient.

The question I would pose to everyone is how many players with a power quotient comparable or less than Genie's have won a major title in recent years? Serena, Li Na, Maria, Vika , Stosur ALL have more power than Genie. Even Bartoli had more power than Genie. Schiavone is the only recent major winner I can think of off the top of my head that maybe had a comparable power quotient but Schiavone was a completely different type of player, she has an enormous amount of variety in her game to compensate and she won on a surface (clay) that rewards that variety and court-craft. Also, another mitigating factor was that the draw completely opened up that year - Stosur was the dragon slayer and Schiavone benefited from it. Stosur may have run out of gas or had a let down after all those big wins en route to the RG final. Sharapova plays a very similar brand of tennis and has won 5 slams BUT Sharapova also has a slightly (but noticeably) greater power quotient.

Curious as to you reasoning on why you suspect an injury may shorten her career. Players most prone to injury are typically players whose foundation is defense. Genie's foundation is offensive, attacking, aggressive tennis. I suppose the one thing that could possibly contribute to injuries is that she seems to not get a lot of easy points. Very few cheap points off the serve and she doesnt have the power to bash winners from the back of the court on a consistent basis.

As for Fed - I agree with what BG said this morning - he is arguably the youngest 32 year old player ever. His game style has always been so economical and and he has always been so light on his feet. The style of game he plays isnt nearly as physical as say Rafa or Nole or Murray.
 

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I understand what he's trying to say, in the sense that a new era of women's tennis is about to begin with alot of new players about to start reaching there primes. Most of whom are unknown to us still, which is what I think he ment by "dead era". I see Bouchard winning quite a few grand slams and possibly an Olympic medal. Worried a injury may shorten her career at some point.


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We rarely have eras without stud players. We may have very brief periods of time where you maybe have a bit of a transition - like the post Sampras era when Roddick & Hewitt sort of ruled the tennis world for a couple years before Federer started to realize his potential. There was a time when Federer was unknown to us (pre 2001 Wimbledon). Its highly unlikely that of all the young stars only Genie will realize her potential and all the other young stars wont. That is highly improbable. I suppose Canadians would like for that to be the case but chances are at least a few of these other young players like Sloane, Taylor, Madison, Monica Puig, Muguruza, Bencic etc will also realize their full potential. Even though they are not Canadian.
 

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genie will end up with the better career imo.

raonic strikes me as a roddick-level player, dependent on the big serve but just not the all-around tennis player that others like murray, djoker, rafa, or fed.

genie plays in one of the softest eras of women's tennis, and she is also a better all-around player relative to other women than say raonic is compared to the men.
 

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Is it possible for Bouchard to develop more power? Or is that something you either have or don't / have to develop when you are younger?
 

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Raonic leans on his serve, that is for sure. But it is a HELL off a serve, and he did not serve well against Fed. He beat Nishikori who will win slams IMHO so I say Raonic is not a future great in the big 4 sense, but he may win 1-3 slams. Bouchard can develop more power, but I was puzzled why she did not step back on Kvitkovas serve as she clearly did not have enough time to return it. A step back on 1st serve would have done wonders to the outcome today IMHO.
 

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genie will end up with the better career imo.

raonic strikes me as a roddick-level player, dependent on the big serve but just not the all-around tennis player that others like murray, djoker, rafa, or fed.

genie plays in one of the softest eras of women's tennis, and she is also a better all-around player relative to other women than say raonic is compared to the men.
Funny you mention that b/c while I watched the semifinals it almost appeared as though Fed just tore the Roddick game plan page out of his binder and implemented it against Raonic. Just block the serve back and get into rallies where it is advantage Federer. And Raonic's much improved return of serve looked more like that return of serve he had pre-Ljubicic in that match. Not sure why he wasnt using the S&V tactic on his 2nd serve though. He just allowed Fed to chip that return back time after time. Not as if the return was gonna get blown by him.

I still feel like Madison Keys has a higher ceiling than Genie. But that is just my opinion.
 

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Is it possible for Bouchard to develop more power? Or is that something you either have or don't / have to develop when you are younger?
Good question. I am struggling to think of many players who were able to improve tangibly in the power department. Donald Young has improved a little bit in the power department with the work he has put in the gym. Its possible but you dont see it a whole lot. Generally you dont develop into a big hitter - the big hitters have usually always been big hitters (Capriati, Davenport, S.Williams, Shazza, V.Williams, Kvitova, etc).
 

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i think Bouchard will win a major and go down in history as canada's best tennis player,if she gives up her fascination with Bieber,Milos is another story,i dont thinik he has the heart and drive to be a major champion and enjoys the cult of celebrity too much,he will fizzle out
 

wazup

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Watching the mens final, Roanic I don`t think can ever compete at that level. Tennis, unlike any other sport, players usually play to the level of their opponent, some can elevate their game, some can`t.
 

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Yes Raonic can, if Juan Michael del Potro can win a Major so can he.

As for Genie, she's still a full year away from hitting her stride. Chris Everet said it herself, she got taken to the woodshed on her first final against Billie Jean King.
 
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