Its interesting to hear that LE is closing down champange rooms because of the physical contacts betwen customers and dancers. I wonder if the LE is thinking of doing the same thing with the MPs? Everyone knows that MPs offer much more physical contacts than is allowed in a champagne room, e.g. massage with the girl topless/nude, hands wandering/fondling etc. And with a HJ, isn't it like sex for money? How does LE treat MPs? BY the way, has any MPs evere been busted?
MPs vs Champagne rooms
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Honestly I believe that will be the next move to shut down MP's.
There are so many people from do-gooders, to the religious right, to the city and LE who just think these sorts of establishments are wrong and shouldn't be allow to operate. Some time ago I read news clip on MP's and the reporter made MP's seem like public hazzard #1 on how they can spread diease threw the community.
Never underestimate the "do gooder" mentality, they want everyone to live by their values and they won't stop with simply closing champagne rooms. That will be the first step.
There are so many people from do-gooders, to the religious right, to the city and LE who just think these sorts of establishments are wrong and shouldn't be allow to operate. Some time ago I read news clip on MP's and the reporter made MP's seem like public hazzard #1 on how they can spread diease threw the community.
Never underestimate the "do gooder" mentality, they want everyone to live by their values and they won't stop with simply closing champagne rooms. That will be the first step.
You know peoples idea of morality can be quite odd.
I tell you about a guy who works with me "I'll call him Bob" He is in his late 40's, a bit of a hick. He is married with one grown daughter. However besides his wife he has two girlfriends on the side. His wife suspects something but he juggles all three. Anyways one day I told him about my weekend and night at the barefax. How I got a lap dance and how your able to touch the dancers breast. He suddenly got all alarmed going on how "That's prostitution" and how it should be illegal. The guy looked like he was ready to go to war. He thinks the fax should be shut down, but it's ok to cheat on his wife, no biggie.
I tell you about a guy who works with me "I'll call him Bob" He is in his late 40's, a bit of a hick. He is married with one grown daughter. However besides his wife he has two girlfriends on the side. His wife suspects something but he juggles all three. Anyways one day I told him about my weekend and night at the barefax. How I got a lap dance and how your able to touch the dancers breast. He suddenly got all alarmed going on how "That's prostitution" and how it should be illegal. The guy looked like he was ready to go to war. He thinks the fax should be shut down, but it's ok to cheat on his wife, no biggie.
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He's got the problem dude...
I have a wife, gfs and see sps and go to MTL's FS strip bars and OTs strip champagne rooms... Still alive and VD free... oh yeah.. the wife and I are also swingers..
I love women and respect them ALL! It's really a shame that we in this century have crapy etiquette laws for strip bars.
MORALE!!! wft? Everyone that GOES in the champagne room, women or man knows what the heck is going to happen. So... why would anyone from inside the bar be offended??? (It's not good for women... bla bla) ..
Geeez... Those girls in strip club are respected! okay.. sexually as well... but also it does help our MORAL! ...
I'm just blabbing here again... pissed at this stupid tax payed decision!!
He's got the problem dude...
I have a wife, gfs and see sps and go to MTL's FS strip bars and OTs strip champagne rooms... Still alive and VD free... oh yeah.. the wife and I are also swingers..
I love women and respect them ALL! It's really a shame that we in this century have crapy etiquette laws for strip bars.
MORALE!!! wft? Everyone that GOES in the champagne room, women or man knows what the heck is going to happen. So... why would anyone from inside the bar be offended??? (It's not good for women... bla bla) ..
Geeez... Those girls in strip club are respected! okay.. sexually as well... but also it does help our MORAL! ...
I'm just blabbing here again... pissed at this stupid tax payed decision!!
You're like kidding right?regit said:
MPs are busted all the time. Gatineau went through a big sweep, must have been a year, year and a half ago. All my favs got shut down.
As to why some get nailed and some don't, your guess is as good as mine. It could be payoffs or maybe the raids are part of larger investigations (i.e. bike gangs) or in response to complaints (i.e. neighbours).
Giving someone a handjob for money is not, in itself, illegal. Even street prostitution is not technically illegal. But soliciting for the purpose, living off the avails of prostitution (pimping), keeping a common bawdy house (running a brothel) etc are. That's not to mention the more mundane bylaws about how you're supposed to conduct a business.
Bottom line is most MPs could be busted in a heartbeat but I don't think the cops really care so much.
Don't get me started!!
This country sucks!
We've got a Prime Minister strong arming some poor civil servant to lend a crook money to buy his white elephant golf course off him. And then we re-elect him.
We've got the Prime Minister funnelling hundreds of millions of tax payer dollars through some phoney promotional events to buy votes and make millionaires out of their liberal buddies at the same time.
We've got crooks like Alan Eagleson being "investigated" forever while the Americans brought the hammer down on him years ago. Fraud artists stealing million from investors like Felderhof of Bre-X who simply decline the RCMPs request to interview him.
We've got 35 dead prostitutes in Vancouver before the cops admit there might be a serial killer on the loose.
We've got child pornographers getting slapped on the wrist for crimes they are getting life for in the U.S..
We got a thief stealing a hockey jersey from some kid and the local paper puts the thief on the front page like he was the victim and he was just trying to be a hero for his daughter that he loves. And like its the first time he ever stole anything.
And then some poor slob like Wilber Keon gets a cop who never should of been there in the first place who doesn't have the sense to look the other way. Yes, we've got real tax-payer dollars going after lonely guys looking for a little companionship and stress relief with another consenting adult.
This country sucks!
We've got a Prime Minister strong arming some poor civil servant to lend a crook money to buy his white elephant golf course off him. And then we re-elect him.
We've got the Prime Minister funnelling hundreds of millions of tax payer dollars through some phoney promotional events to buy votes and make millionaires out of their liberal buddies at the same time.
We've got crooks like Alan Eagleson being "investigated" forever while the Americans brought the hammer down on him years ago. Fraud artists stealing million from investors like Felderhof of Bre-X who simply decline the RCMPs request to interview him.
We've got 35 dead prostitutes in Vancouver before the cops admit there might be a serial killer on the loose.
We've got child pornographers getting slapped on the wrist for crimes they are getting life for in the U.S..
We got a thief stealing a hockey jersey from some kid and the local paper puts the thief on the front page like he was the victim and he was just trying to be a hero for his daughter that he loves. And like its the first time he ever stole anything.
And then some poor slob like Wilber Keon gets a cop who never should of been there in the first place who doesn't have the sense to look the other way. Yes, we've got real tax-payer dollars going after lonely guys looking for a little companionship and stress relief with another consenting adult.
Just curious.......other that in Gatineau, and picking up street hookers.........when was the last time any of you were busted by LE for using the services of a champagne room, MP or SP?
From what I understand, Ottawa Police doesnt even have a morality unit, but they do have a child sex abuse unit, a cyber sex unit for the exploitation of kids, robbery, homicide, domestic violence, fraud units....
JP....give me a break with your rants!!
From what I understand, Ottawa Police doesnt even have a morality unit, but they do have a child sex abuse unit, a cyber sex unit for the exploitation of kids, robbery, homicide, domestic violence, fraud units....
JP....give me a break with your rants!!
Doesn't the Ottawa Police need morals to have a morality unit?? I had a friend visiting Ottawa for the first time who stayed at the Prestige Inn on Montreal Rd. Needless to say we both got stopped as we walked out of the hotel by 3 cops and had to answer a bunch of questions as to what we were doing for about 30 min.tmb06 said:
Dude Navigator24 has no idea what he's talking about. He sounds like Lowell Green on CRFA only older.JPsoHot said:
Hey Eldrick what's your handicap? I'm an eight.EldrickWoods said:
I don't get to listen to Lowell Green. I have to work for a living. But I understand he's a very smart man.
I forgot the smiley face. I was not totally serious.Navigator24 said:
We carry about the same handicap
Lowel Green is an idiot. He's one of those moral right wing nut cases that supports the shut down of Champagne rooms and MPA's.
The tulip festival is one of the events that the sponsorship deal helped. Whether you like the festival or not is not on debate here. The majority actually more than 98% of the money went to these types of events all over Canada. It's like anything, people wipe out everything because of one bad instance. It's the same gang buster mentality that's removing the CR's from Ottawa.
I'm just curious if anyone knows what the legalities of the business for woman who choose to work as independents? In Kitchener, where I live there seems to be a trend of women leaving the agencies, and the parlours to work indy. Some of them operate out of motels/hotels and others out of their home or an apartment. How does the charges of 'living off the avails', 'soliciting or communicating for the purpose of', 'running or being found in a common bawdy house' apply? Also what does the law consder prostitution? Just curious of I would run into the same problems seeing an indy SP or MA as I would visting an incall agency or parlour.
Radio Talk
Ok, so I got a challenge for Mr. Green or anyone else in the media. Why not support and advocate the MPs, SPs, SCs and others as legitimate businesses. Betcha the ol' pussy-whip would soon start crackin' around political circles, etc. These bastards just simply don't have the grumba to stand up for alternative therapies.
I've yet to hear ol' Lowel say: "What the hell is going on with morality in this city today when a guy just can't get the bishop yanked in public". Try and tell me that subject would get past the censors.
Ok, so I got a challenge for Mr. Green or anyone else in the media. Why not support and advocate the MPs, SPs, SCs and others as legitimate businesses. Betcha the ol' pussy-whip would soon start crackin' around political circles, etc. These bastards just simply don't have the grumba to stand up for alternative therapies.
I've yet to hear ol' Lowel say: "What the hell is going on with morality in this city today when a guy just can't get the bishop yanked in public". Try and tell me that subject would get past the censors.
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I think our boys & girls in blue are, for the most part, good people. If city council wants a 'law' enforced, they will pressure the police to do so.
Look at the problems in Edmonton...
http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/1107811051943_103220251/?hub=TopStories
Look at the problems in Edmonton...
http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/1107811051943_103220251/?hub=TopStories
Edmonton Police
I'm no cop but, I see nothing wrong with what these cops did: they were out to get somebody who was suspected of being on the verge of commiting a crime who could have resulted in the death of other persons. Whatever the suspects were journalists or politicians made no difference. Yes, it look like a revenge but then, so what? Drinking and driving can kill, no matter who you are. If you do it, it doesn't matter if you were cought by accident or if you were under surveillance. I would have seen a problem if the undercover within the bar were buying drinks for the target but, besides that, if the guy drink and drive, he's a jerk anyway you look at it and desserve to get cought. The cops were only observing his comportement and were only going to intervene if he did commit the crime. He was in no way framed. If somebody didn't leaked the information, the target would have never known about the sting, and it's ok to me.
So, let's review:
1- somebody is probably about to commit a crime. (drinking and driving)
2- the cops get a tip about it. (fake or real, doesn't matter, they know the guy is there and might go and drive while drunk)
3- the cops react and post surveillance
What's wrong with this? Is it because the guy was "only drinking to have fun"? There are a lot of criminal who "just carry a gun to protect themself". A drunk driver can kill as easily as somebody carrying a gun. Some might say yes but, no crime was commited by drinking alone. So, if we follow the reasonning behind the accusations against these cops, they should not investigate any tips about peoples carrying guns either. Carrying a gun doesn't mean you're going to kill with it, right? So you might not be commiting a crime by carrying a gun, same as somebody who's drinking but, the possibility is there. If the possibility is strong enough (it's not hunting season / the guy got there with his own weels) then I insist the cops do check the guy out.
I'm no cop but, I see nothing wrong with what these cops did: they were out to get somebody who was suspected of being on the verge of commiting a crime who could have resulted in the death of other persons. Whatever the suspects were journalists or politicians made no difference. Yes, it look like a revenge but then, so what? Drinking and driving can kill, no matter who you are. If you do it, it doesn't matter if you were cought by accident or if you were under surveillance. I would have seen a problem if the undercover within the bar were buying drinks for the target but, besides that, if the guy drink and drive, he's a jerk anyway you look at it and desserve to get cought. The cops were only observing his comportement and were only going to intervene if he did commit the crime. He was in no way framed. If somebody didn't leaked the information, the target would have never known about the sting, and it's ok to me.
So, let's review:
1- somebody is probably about to commit a crime. (drinking and driving)
2- the cops get a tip about it. (fake or real, doesn't matter, they know the guy is there and might go and drive while drunk)
3- the cops react and post surveillance
What's wrong with this? Is it because the guy was "only drinking to have fun"? There are a lot of criminal who "just carry a gun to protect themself". A drunk driver can kill as easily as somebody carrying a gun. Some might say yes but, no crime was commited by drinking alone. So, if we follow the reasonning behind the accusations against these cops, they should not investigate any tips about peoples carrying guns either. Carrying a gun doesn't mean you're going to kill with it, right? So you might not be commiting a crime by carrying a gun, same as somebody who's drinking but, the possibility is there. If the possibility is strong enough (it's not hunting season / the guy got there with his own weels) then I insist the cops do check the guy out.
