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The ending to a noon-hour rubdown was anything but happy for three people arrested in connection with an alleged bawdyhouse operation yesterday.
At 12:15 p.m., a 71-year-old man was ushered to a waiting OPP vehicle after exiting Body and Soul, located south of Orillia’s downtown in a largely vacant strip mall at 10 Western Avenue.
Adhesive lettering plastered to the store’s front window promised relief from sore backs, stiff muscles and aches, but investigators say clients who frequented the business were paying for sexual services.
“It was a busy spot,” Det. Const. Dave Felstead told Orillia Today after Wednesday’s raid. (well, not much else to do in Orillia I guess)
Police entered the rental unit with warrant in hand, but after walking down a short hallway lined with scores of potted plants, officers were greeted by a locked, steel-reinforced door.
Officers arrested and charged one woman after she attempted to flee through the rear of the building moments later.
“She tried to run out the back door in her pink high-heeled shoes, but she was no match for the officers waiting in back,” Felstead said. (nice to know the officers could handle her)
A second woman, who had been out shopping, was arrested after returning to the building, he added. (I'm back - Hey, why are all the police cars out front?)
Both were charged with keeping a common bawdy house, being found in a common bawdy house and being an inmate of a common bawdy house.
One was a Canadian citizen, and the other was not, though both were said to be from the Scarborough area. (Scarborough to Orillia is one heck of a commute)
They were to be released from custody under the condition that neither returns to Simcoe County other than to attend court. (so they were run out of town, but not tarred and feathered)
The male arrested outside the business was charged with being found in a common bawdy house.
He was, according to Felstead, typical of the clientele, which consisted largely of older, married men.
“Some are retired, some are working – no criminal record,” he added.
The arrests follow a lengthy investigation by Orillia OPP’s Crime and Street Crime units, whose members scoured the rental unit for evidence that could point to the involvement of others.
“Our (intelligence) officer will see if there are any connections to organized crime,” Felstead added.
Two sparsely adorned rooms located off the main hallway contained little else but massage tables and a small collection of oils, rubbing alcohol and hand wipes.
Handwritten signs posted on the pink walls spelled out the fees: $40 for 30 minutes; $60 for 45 minutes; and $80 per hour.
Police recovered thousands of dollars in cash during the preliminary investigation, and intend to search any financial records that may be available.
Police believe one of the women was living in the unit. (beats driving from Scarborough every day I guess)
A small sitting room off the front entrance was outfitted with a television and a love seat, and on the floor was a bowl of grapes. (that layout reminds me of somewhere else)
In the rear of the building police found a small room containing a shower, refrigerator, laundry sink, and toilet. Nearby is a small kitchen, where a covered pot sat atop a hot plate, and a reddish mixture sat uneaten in a bowl containing a pair of chopsticks. Fruit and vegetables were stacked on the floor. (so that's what the girls keep back there)
Adorning a wall in the main hallway were two posters bearing the image of Hollywood heartthrob Leonardo DiCaprio.
“It isn’t as tacky as some of the places I’ve seen,” remarked Felstead.
Police contacted the owner of the plaza, which also houses an adult video store, a Goodwill outlet and a vacuum repair and sales shop.
“He was very respectful and helped take the big (outdoor) sign down,” Felstead said. “He was very receptive to help us out.”
A paper certificate bearing a gold seal identified one of the women as a “registered natural health practitioner.”
At 12:15 p.m., a 71-year-old man was ushered to a waiting OPP vehicle after exiting Body and Soul, located south of Orillia’s downtown in a largely vacant strip mall at 10 Western Avenue.
Adhesive lettering plastered to the store’s front window promised relief from sore backs, stiff muscles and aches, but investigators say clients who frequented the business were paying for sexual services.
“It was a busy spot,” Det. Const. Dave Felstead told Orillia Today after Wednesday’s raid. (well, not much else to do in Orillia I guess)
Police entered the rental unit with warrant in hand, but after walking down a short hallway lined with scores of potted plants, officers were greeted by a locked, steel-reinforced door.
Officers arrested and charged one woman after she attempted to flee through the rear of the building moments later.
“She tried to run out the back door in her pink high-heeled shoes, but she was no match for the officers waiting in back,” Felstead said. (nice to know the officers could handle her)
A second woman, who had been out shopping, was arrested after returning to the building, he added. (I'm back - Hey, why are all the police cars out front?)
Both were charged with keeping a common bawdy house, being found in a common bawdy house and being an inmate of a common bawdy house.
One was a Canadian citizen, and the other was not, though both were said to be from the Scarborough area. (Scarborough to Orillia is one heck of a commute)
They were to be released from custody under the condition that neither returns to Simcoe County other than to attend court. (so they were run out of town, but not tarred and feathered)
The male arrested outside the business was charged with being found in a common bawdy house.
He was, according to Felstead, typical of the clientele, which consisted largely of older, married men.
“Some are retired, some are working – no criminal record,” he added.
The arrests follow a lengthy investigation by Orillia OPP’s Crime and Street Crime units, whose members scoured the rental unit for evidence that could point to the involvement of others.
“Our (intelligence) officer will see if there are any connections to organized crime,” Felstead added.
Two sparsely adorned rooms located off the main hallway contained little else but massage tables and a small collection of oils, rubbing alcohol and hand wipes.
Handwritten signs posted on the pink walls spelled out the fees: $40 for 30 minutes; $60 for 45 minutes; and $80 per hour.
Police recovered thousands of dollars in cash during the preliminary investigation, and intend to search any financial records that may be available.
Police believe one of the women was living in the unit. (beats driving from Scarborough every day I guess)
A small sitting room off the front entrance was outfitted with a television and a love seat, and on the floor was a bowl of grapes. (that layout reminds me of somewhere else)
In the rear of the building police found a small room containing a shower, refrigerator, laundry sink, and toilet. Nearby is a small kitchen, where a covered pot sat atop a hot plate, and a reddish mixture sat uneaten in a bowl containing a pair of chopsticks. Fruit and vegetables were stacked on the floor. (so that's what the girls keep back there)
Adorning a wall in the main hallway were two posters bearing the image of Hollywood heartthrob Leonardo DiCaprio.
“It isn’t as tacky as some of the places I’ve seen,” remarked Felstead.
Police contacted the owner of the plaza, which also houses an adult video store, a Goodwill outlet and a vacuum repair and sales shop.
“He was very respectful and helped take the big (outdoor) sign down,” Felstead said. “He was very receptive to help us out.”
A paper certificate bearing a gold seal identified one of the women as a “registered natural health practitioner.”
3Tees said:
LOL, yeah that is a good one
Nice to know also that the mall owner was so helpful in taking down the sign ha ha. What did they expect him to say? "Hey, those girls are my best tenents - I know what goes on there, don't care, and I visit them too to get me some, so don't shut them down". LOL. More like "Really? They were giving inappropriate massages in there? I never would have guessed it...boy, I'm glad you figured that out...let me take down the sign and we can all run them out of town together, officer". LOL
Lol. Orilla where the nearly dead, newly wed. live!
“She tried to run out the back door in her pink high-heeled shoes, but she was no match for the officers waiting in back,” Felstead said. (nice to know the officers could handle her)
Sounds like the atf were called!
“She tried to run out the back door in her pink high-heeled shoes, but she was no match for the officers waiting in back,” Felstead said. (nice to know the officers could handle her)
Sounds like the atf were called!
Police departments are always claiming to need more officers and this is how they use the ones they have. I feel bad for all involved.
Had I known someone there had pink high heels I would have been there myself.
Had I known someone there had pink high heels I would have been there myself.
data1960 said:
how is this possible?!?!?
i go to mp's all the time. i cant see this charge actually sticking!!!
the guy just simply says he was going to get a massage, how would they be able to prove otherwise? would they actually drag something like this through the system?!?!? HE WASNT EVEN INSIDE!
Leaving MP, questioned by cops?
http://www.barrieadvance.com/barrieadvance/article/119986
http://www.barrieadvance.com/barrieadvance/article/119988
I've read at least one other article, about a bust in Burlington, with a similar admission from police that their investigation leading up to an eventual raid and bawdy house charges consisted mainly of simply questioning customers after they've left the MP.
Specifically NOT regarding the guy charged with being found in a common bawdy house during the raid, but the other guys questioned during the investigation described in the quote above, on their way home after leaving the MP --
If someone is in that situation:
Are you required to answer their questions?
Do you have to tell them you received a hand job?
What if you lie and say you got a massage and nothing else? What could they do to you, and how could they ever prove you were not telling the whole truth?
Do guys naively just admit to getting hand jobs, mistakenly thinking there's nothing illegal about it?
Since this necessarily occurs days or weeks before the actual raid, couldn't the guys who had been stopped and questioned warn the MP (and all the rest of us) that cops were looking to bust the place?
Or do the MPs get warned, not care, and just keep operating anyway until they're busted?
http://www.barrieadvance.com/barrieadvance/article/119986
http://www.barrieadvance.com/barrieadvance/article/119988
I've read at least one other article, about a bust in Burlington, with a similar admission from police that their investigation leading up to an eventual raid and bawdy house charges consisted mainly of simply questioning customers after they've left the MP.
Specifically NOT regarding the guy charged with being found in a common bawdy house during the raid, but the other guys questioned during the investigation described in the quote above, on their way home after leaving the MP --
If someone is in that situation:
Are you required to answer their questions?
Do you have to tell them you received a hand job?
What if you lie and say you got a massage and nothing else? What could they do to you, and how could they ever prove you were not telling the whole truth?
Do guys naively just admit to getting hand jobs, mistakenly thinking there's nothing illegal about it?
Since this necessarily occurs days or weeks before the actual raid, couldn't the guys who had been stopped and questioned warn the MP (and all the rest of us) that cops were looking to bust the place?
Or do the MPs get warned, not care, and just keep operating anyway until they're busted?
HaywoodJabloemy said:
You don't have to tell them anything and you can request to speak to a lawyer before answering any questions.
You can also ask them whether you're under arrest or whether you are free to go. That forces them to decide whether they have probable cause to arrest you. Prior to that they can just stand around hoping that you'll co-operate voluntarily in case you let something slip that would give them probable cause. You can also politely inform them that you do not consent to any searches (they can construe your silence to "Do you mind if I look in here?" as consent otherwise.) They'll generally try and construe you as co-operating voluntarily so long as they can get away with it rather than oeprating on probable cause. Note that if they do have probable cause they can still arrest you and search you but under no circumstance can they force you to answer questions.
In any case be polite and soft spoken throughout all of this the last thing you want to do is initiate any kind of confrontation.
You must provide your name address and show proof of identity. If driving you must show valid DL, ownership and insurance. After that, ANY statement you give is voluntary. If you do say something, remember you cannot lie.
My favorite answer to "have you been drinking tonight, sir?" is:
I'm on medication for diabetes so I'm always thirsty but the doctor tells me to limit or eliminate alcohol.
My favorite answer to "have you been drinking tonight, sir?" is:
I'm on medication for diabetes so I'm always thirsty but the doctor tells me to limit or eliminate alcohol.
. Don't the cops have anything better to do----lol.squash500 said:
True enough. If I'm getting arrested, I want to have gotten a blow job at the minimum.
You cannot lie but you cannot be forced or coerced into implicating yourself in a crime.
If a cop pulled me over in a similar situation and it didn't pertain to any driving offence I definitely would ask for a lawyer before answering any questions. Too many people implicate themselves in the hopes that they won't be charged.....
If a cop pulled me over in a similar situation and it didn't pertain to any driving offence I definitely would ask for a lawyer before answering any questions. Too many people implicate themselves in the hopes that they won't be charged.....
Compromised said:
I like the lines of like....."I do not recall"....If they do not care for that answer, its then....."I do not recall, officer"......
Hey, ever see a cop on the stand where they try to get him to say something the cops don't want to say....thats their answers....I seen it, cop after cop.
tboy said:
Thats true...why they implicate themselfs is debatable---some claim its cause they think if they are honest, the cops with like that...I don't know.
Another thing I have notice is if you say something the cops don't like, they will yell back the same question in hopes of getting a different answer...when it comes to talking to the police, if they like what you tell them, you are screwing yourself. The more upset the cops seem to get, means you are talking your way out of getting arrested....but I know US law much better than Canada law.
Compromised said:
Actually no. You must say your name and address if asked. In Canada you are not required to carry around proof of your identity.
However if they have reason to suspect you of something and you refuse to show ID then they can hold you until they either have no reason to suspect you, or they have confirmed your identity. Having proof of your identity they are more likely to let you go simply because they could find you again later if they need to.
They do have to have grounds for that. You cannot be arbitrarily detained for no other reason than you did not have ID, there has to be reason to believe you are somehow connected to an infraction in some capacity before they can even demand to know your name.
