Tuesday Globe p. A13 quotes York Regional Police Chief Armand La Barge as saying "Massage parlors are usually fronts for prostitution and are often run by organized crime." I really dispute this statement. Sure, some places offer a full service menu, but "usually?" Come on...maybe that is somewhat accurate on EBC, but I think "ocassionally" might be more accurate. As for organized crime, that seems to be equally exaggerated? How do others see this claim? I think it is typical cop mentality...rabid to stop victimless crimes involving sex workers and their clients and about as out dated as belief in reefer madness. How does one develop such moronic attitudes. It must have something to do with potty training.
MP fronts for prostitution
- Thread starter Questor
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How do you define 'sex'
Irked would be putting it lightly how I feel every time I see any news reports with quotes from whomever saying that MPs are fronts for prostitution. The reason is because I think it colors the whole MP industry in a different light then what it really is. When the average Jane/Joe reads this they think there is FS going on in these places. They (news people and LE) want to employ sensationalism to get public opinion against MPs and make it look like they are attacking some great evil. The police and newspapers are stretching the definition of 'sex'. I think they get away with making these statements because of some places that do offer R&T i.e. a HJ. A HJ is a sexual act though… not actual sex IMO. However like I said when the general public reads or sees these reports they think that their husbands, sons, brothers etc are going to MPs for actual sex. Not that there is anything wrong (IMO) with going out somewhere for ‘real’ sex. Unfortunately for us though Jane/Joe public has a different opinion or feeling regarding this.
Irked would be putting it lightly how I feel every time I see any news reports with quotes from whomever saying that MPs are fronts for prostitution. The reason is because I think it colors the whole MP industry in a different light then what it really is. When the average Jane/Joe reads this they think there is FS going on in these places. They (news people and LE) want to employ sensationalism to get public opinion against MPs and make it look like they are attacking some great evil. The police and newspapers are stretching the definition of 'sex'. I think they get away with making these statements because of some places that do offer R&T i.e. a HJ. A HJ is a sexual act though… not actual sex IMO. However like I said when the general public reads or sees these reports they think that their husbands, sons, brothers etc are going to MPs for actual sex. Not that there is anything wrong (IMO) with going out somewhere for ‘real’ sex. Unfortunately for us though Jane/Joe public has a different opinion or feeling regarding this.
NH you took many of my words...... casting the neg light on MPs leads the public to believe this crime isn't in their backyard.... it's in the yard of those tied to sex and drugs and organised crime and fuels the LE fight against these issues.... however real or "enhanced" the problem is...... elections, public opinion, taxes, funding play factors.
Re: I'm sure nobody ever bought sex in a massage parlour
As Hillery said: "I did"Lisa said:or as Bill Clinton would put it: "I didn't have sex with that woman"
Lisa
Liar, liar pants on fire...
Unfortunately, unlike San Francisco, there is no organization like COYOTE (Call Off Your Old Tired Ethics) to stand up and call the York Region Police Chief an equivicator.
It's easy to take potshots, when no one is shooting back.
Isn't this guy the one who's been making excuses for why the mayor of Vaughan got away with his tickets?
Unfortunately, unlike San Francisco, there is no organization like COYOTE (Call Off Your Old Tired Ethics) to stand up and call the York Region Police Chief an equivicator.
It's easy to take potshots, when no one is shooting back.
Isn't this guy the one who's been making excuses for why the mayor of Vaughan got away with his tickets?
Good point RB. But as others have pointed, when people read it, they think the cop is talking about fs establishment. Maybe there is not that much difference in the mind of the public. But I believe the statement is meant to inflame and bring public opinion against MPs specifically and sex workers in general. Its a political agenda.rubmeister100 said:A handjob (a sexual act or service) for money *IS* prostitution.
And a fairly standard one- one simply "blurs the lines" by using a term that is technically correct but is associated with something much more frightening.Questor said:Good point RB. But as others have pointed, when people read it, they think the cop is talking about fs establishment. Maybe there is not that much difference in the mind of the public. But I believe the statement is meant to inflame and bring public opinion against MPs specifically and sex workers in general. Its a political agenda.
Witness "Weapons of Mass Destruction".
I imagine groups like COYOTE probably believe that they've got better things to do, as Toronto has it relatively easy compared to most of the United States. Even if Toronto is hardly Amsterdam, they'd have a point.
?????Luigi_Mario said:
Witness "Weapons of Mass Destruction".
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I am sorry.
You want to suck my what????????
You're probably right, but look what happened in New Zealand a few months ago.rubmeister100 said:Because of the political industry in Canada... I doubt very much that prostitution will ever become a legal industry no matter how much it would make sense to do so...
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/storydisp...ection=&thesecondsubsection=&reportid=1162602
We need someone like Tim Barnett in Canada. And maybe the media could help by pointing out how irrelevant our laws from the Victorian era have become in our hypocritical set-up. Libby Davies (of Vancouver, NDP) is the only member of parliament that I can remember expressing opinions that the laws need to be reformed.
Hypothetical question - what if that happened here - MPs were allowed to become legal brothels? Would they just replace the massage tables with beds overnight? Would many MPAs quit the business if they were expected to provide FS and BJ with every customer?
Rubmeister100 is correct. You need one of those landmark constitutional type court cases to really bring the issue to the forefront. Unfortunately it takes a lot of money to do that.
Many of the municipal by-laws against MPs or restricting MPs in Ontario would probably be struck down if the owner had the money, patience and time to fight it right to the end.
Just look at what happened in the Gwen Jacob case. It took a while but in the end she won.
Many of the municipal by-laws against MPs or restricting MPs in Ontario would probably be struck down if the owner had the money, patience and time to fight it right to the end.
Just look at what happened in the Gwen Jacob case. It took a while but in the end she won.
K: Keep in mind that the government relies on that sort of thing in order to get through politically unpopular decisions that they'd otherwise support. (Witness Decrim, and Gay marriage).
This is probably the #1 reason why the Charter exists in the first place- to deal with the gulf between the stated rights that everybody says they believe in and the real-world repercussions of that, as well as the "squeaky wheel" problem of a vocal "Moral Majority" that's really just a loud minority.
The only way the Charter can work, though, is if the Supreme Court has a chance to rule.
This is probably the #1 reason why the Charter exists in the first place- to deal with the gulf between the stated rights that everybody says they believe in and the real-world repercussions of that, as well as the "squeaky wheel" problem of a vocal "Moral Majority" that's really just a loud minority.
The only way the Charter can work, though, is if the Supreme Court has a chance to rule.
There are many women in the business that are single mothers.It can be a great chance to provide for the kids without the use of government assistance!Geez,the government cannot even get some dead-beat dads to pay their child support!Certainly,our municipalities have no problems"organizing" check programs lately,when it comes to raiding legit spa's.Everything happens for a reason,we just wish LE would find some real criminals,besides the gentle ladies at the local MP.Our government should implement check programs on Dads who fail to provide support,then maybe the spa's will fade out.........
