More upheaval in Trumpland

[shack]

With 13 weeks to go the Donald shakes up his advisory team.

Paul Manafort now has a diminished role as Trump adds 2 more senior advisors.

I speculate either a rift with Manafort because Trump will not follow his advice or Trump is trying to distance himself from the connections Manafort has in Russia.

http://www.cnn.com/2016/08/17/politics/trump-campaign-overhaul/

 

[Insidious Von]

I saw Sausage Party last night.

Trump came out as a cream puff getting fucked by a chimichanga voiced by Danny Trejo.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zfA0MqEm52Y

 

[Bud Plug]

With 13 weeks to go the Donald shakes up his advisory team.

Paul Manafort now has a diminished role as Trump adds 2 more senior advisors.

I speculate either a rift with Manafort because Trump will not follow his advice or Trump is trying to distance himself from the connections Manafort has in Russia.

http://www.cnn.com/2016/08/17/politics/trump-campaign-overhaul/

All the anti-Trump voices at CNN and MSNBC had been saying that Trump's campaign staff was too small - that his failure to put in the place the type of organization required showed that he lacked proper insight into the workings of a general election. So now, when he begins to expand his staff as the candidates enter the home stretch of the campaign, it's an "upheaval"?

Makes me wonder what Clinton supporters are so worried about, perpetually focussing on such minutiae. Maybe they don't think the campaign is as "over" as some newspapers and TV outlets have been claiming? Maybe they just know in their hearts that there is more Clinton scandal coming down the pipe (most likely at the instance of WikiLeaks), and that one more could be straw that finally breaks the backs of the independent voters?

 

[IM469]

All the anti-Trump voices at CNN and MSNBC had been saying that Trump's campaign staff was too small - that his failure to put in the place the type of organization required showed that he lacked proper insight into the workings of a general election. So now, when he begins to expand his staff as the candidates enter the home stretch of the campaign, it's an "upheaval"?

So you are still swallowing the paranoia that Trump is spewing - not even a breather to look around at what the rest of humanity sees ? So the factual reporting of Trump's many faux-pas, historically ignorant rants and speeches that either imply violence against your opponent or slander's a gold star family - that is anti-Trump reporting ... seriously ?

Let's try to put it in simple perspective : you are a radio announcer at a two car formula one race and you are sitting in seats that give you an unrestricted view of the race track. The two race cars (one red and one blue) line up on the start line and at the sound of the gun - the race is underway.

The blue car is driving well just going around the track with only a few bumps in the track. Now you look at the red car - at the start of the race it suddenly turns right and slams into a wall. Slightly damaged, they get it moving forward only to have the driver turn into a tree. The pit crew points the damaged car forward and clean the windshield so the driver can see the road ahead.

The blue car is still going round and round - totally unchallenged and uneventful. The red car gets about 100 feet when it suddenly steers off track and through the fence as it chases a dog walking in a different direction. Smoke is coming out of the car as the driver motions to the crowd to watch the blue car - not him. He gets in the red car and drives in reverse back on the track and in the wrong direction until he hits the same tree. The pit crew comes out and is trying now to change the engine as they try to smother the flames. The blue car continues round and round ....

Okay Mr Radio Announcer - which car are you going to be talking about as you describe the race ? What's your reaction when the red car team complains you aren't focusing enough on the blue car that's going round and round ?

 

[Bud Plug]

So you are still swallowing the paranoia that Trump is spewing - not even a breather to look around at what the rest of humanity sees ? So the factual reporting of Trump's many faux-pas, historically ignorant rants and speeches that either imply violence against your opponent or slander's a gold star family - that is anti-Trump reporting ... seriously ?

Let's try to put it in simple perspective : you are a radio announcer at a two car formula one race and you are sitting in seats that give you an unrestricted view of the race track. The two race cars (one red and one blue) line up on the start line and at the sound of the gun - the race is underway.

The blue car is driving well just going around the track with only a few bumps in the track. Now you look at the red car - at the start of the race it suddenly turns right and slams into a wall. Slightly damaged, they get it moving forward only to have the driver turn into a tree. The pit crew points the damaged car forward and clean the windshield so the driver can see the road ahead.

The blue car is still going round and round - totally unchallenged and uneventful. The red car gets about 100 feet when it suddenly steers off track and through the fence as it chases a dog walking in a different direction. Smoke is coming out of the car as the driver motions to the crowd to watch the blue car - not him. He gets in the red car and drives in reverse back on the track and in the wrong direction until he hits the same tree. The pit crew comes out and is trying now to change the engine as they try to smother the flames. The blue car continues round and round ....

Okay Mr Radio Announcer - which car are you going to be talking about as you describe the race ? What's your reaction when the red car team complains you aren't focusing enough on the blue car that's going round and round ?

If, despite being in the lead, the Blue car is actually swerving all over the road, driven by a driver suffering from palsy attacks and driving without a licence, who lied about the safety check done on the vehicle before the race, with a WikiLeaks bomb strapped to the bottom of the car, and despite her lead might seriously swerve off the track at any moment into the stands to possibly kill spectators, and all the Announcer can manage to say is - "The Blue Car is in the lead", then I think there's a problem with the Announcer.

 

[shack]

All the anti-Trump voices at CNN and MSNBC had been saying that Trump's campaign staff was too small - that his failure to put in the place the type of organization required showed that he lacked proper insight into the workings of a general election. So now, when he begins to expand his staff as the candidates enter the home stretch of the campaign, it's an "upheaval"?

Nice try but I don't think you understand the concept. They need people manning the phones, knocking on doors etc., doing the grunt work to be in contact with as many voters as possible. Instead he has replaced Lewandowski with Mananfort and now Manafort gets shunted aside, all within approx. 2 months. Only a campaign that is falling off the rails makes changes at the top like this (along with blaming the media as part of a rigged election) in such a short time frame and so close to the election. He is showing the nation how unstable, disorganized and fractured his campaign is. Just 2 weeks ago he was claiming how united his team was.:rofl:

Instead of consistency at the top and building up the boots on the ground volunteers he is creating a situation where there will be numerous chefs making the broth and most rational people know how that turns out. Instead you ridiculously support this and cite this as an example of building up his campaign staff.

 

[IM469]

M Maybe they just know in their hearts that there is more Clinton scandal coming down the pipe (most likely at the instance of WikiLeaks), and that one more could be straw that finally breaks the backs of the independent voters?

You do realise that WikiLeaks only distributes data submitted by anonymous sources - they do not hack e-mail accounts ? There are reports that the hacks are coming in from Russia and that more than likely Putin is trying to subvert the direction of a US election. Maybe the anti - Hillary camp should take a look at the gift horse a little more closely. There has been no hacks of republican or Trump e-mails - why ?

It's not hard to see why Putin wants Trump in the white house but if the suspicions are proven that Trump is being covertly aided by Putin - I doubt the contents of those e-mail will over come the US national pride that will surge toward Hillary even in the most republican states. If a connection is established - maybe Trump will the reside in Trump Prison.

 

[IM469]

If, despite being in the lead, the Blue car is actually swerving all over the road, driven by a driver suffering from palsy attacks and driving without a licence, who lied about the safety check done on the vehicle before the race, with a WikiLeaks bomb strapped to the bottom of the car, and despite her lead might seriously swerve off the track at any moment into the stands to possibly kill spectators, and all the Announcer can manage to say is - "The Blue Car is in the lead", then I think there's a problem with the Announcer.

Wake up BH - you are dreaming. The blue car is way a head - it hasn't swerved - in the most boring uneventful manner - it is just winning the race.

Wait ! I see the problem .. the red car door has opened and a clown just came out. Apparently he thought he was still in a three ring circus ! :mod:

 

[Bud Plug]

You do realise that WikiLeaks only distributes data submitted by anonymous sources - they do not hack e-mail accounts ? There are reports that the hacks are coming in from Russia and that more than likely Putin is trying to subvert the direction of a US election. Maybe the anti - Hillary camp should take a look at the gift horse a little more closely. There has been no hacks of republican or Trump e-mails - why ?

It's not hard to see why Putin wants Trump in the white house but if the suspicions are proven that Trump is being covertly aided by Putin - I doubt the contents of those e-mail will over come the US national pride that will surge toward Hillary even in the most republican states. If a connection is established - Trump will the reside in Trump Prison.

Yes, I realize that WikiLeaks does not hack for it's information. They have said that their sources take extreme risks to provide them with the documents they publish.

The only reports that have asserted that WikiLeaks got their documents from Russian hackers have come from the DNC and the Clinton campaign. A strange allegation, given Clinton ties to Russian (Putin connected) business interests. It's such a perversely strange tact for Clinton to be taking, it looks diversionary to me.

The NSA has said that they have not reached any determination on who the hackers were.

While Assange has not confirmed his source, his only statements connected to that topic suggest that the information may have been leaked by a DNC staffer. If that's correct, that would explain why there were no hacks of the RNC (or at least no hacks that anyone turned over to WikiLeaks).

I think there's far more likelihood of Clinton being burned by her Russian connections than Trump.

 

[Smallcock]

Nice try but I don't think you understand the concept. They need people manning the phones, knocking on doors etc., doing the grunt work to be in contact with as many voters as possible. Instead he has replaced Lewandowski with Mananfort and now Manafort gets shunted aside, all within approx. 2 months. Only a campaign that is falling off the rails makes changes at the top like this (along with blaming the media as part of a rigged election) in such a short time frame and so close to the election. He is showing the nation how unstable, disorganized and fractured his campaign is. Just 2 weeks ago he was claiming how united his team was.:rofl:

Instead of consistency at the top and building up the boots on the ground volunteers he is creating a situation where there will be numerous chefs making the broth and most rational people know how that turns out. Instead you ridiculously support this and cite this as an example of building up his campaign staff.

It's amazing that with all the ground troops, the tens of millions in negative ads, the media Super Pac in her corner, the typical liberal celebrity support, that there is even a race worth talking about. It goes to show how weak Clinton is as a candidate.

Everybody in Clintonland is on edge because they know that she can swerve and crash into a ditch at any moment.

 

[Bud Plug]

Nice try but I don't think you understand the concept. They need people manning the phones, knocking on doors etc., doing the grunt work to be in contact with as many voters as possible. Instead he has replaced Lewandowski with Mananfort and now Manafort gets shunted aside, all within approx. 2 months. Only a campaign that is falling off the rails makes changes at the top like this (along with blaming the media as part of a rigged election) in such a short time frame and so close to the election. He is showing the nation how unstable, disorganized and fractured his campaign is. Just 2 weeks ago he was claiming how united his team was.:rofl:

Instead of consistency at the top and building up the boots on the ground volunteers he is creating a situation where there will be numerous chefs making the broth and most rational people know how that turns out. Instead you ridiculously support this and cite this as an example of building up his campaign staff.

No, you don't understand the concept. When you add staff to a growing organization, you push responsibility down from the top. The senior staff then have more "managerial" responsibility and less "hands on" responsibility. That's all that's happened here. Manafort has been freed from all of the organizational work of putting together the ground game of the campaign in order to focus exclusively on strategy. That's what makes this argument so laughable. It's obvious to anyone who understands what happens when you expand your organization. I take it that you're not familiar with this process. Conway has already been on multiple news outlets explaining that Manafort is the Campaign Chair and she is the Campaign Manager, and has explained their respective roles, as well as explained that Manafort had been shouldering both roles up until this point.

 

[Bud Plug]

Wake up BH - you are dreaming. The blue car is way a head - it hasn't swerved - in the most boring uneventful manner - it is just winning the race.

Wait ! I see the problem .. the red car door has opened and a clown just came out. Apparently he thought he was still in a three ring circus ! :mod:

I'll agree with you that the driver of the red car is funny. The driver of the blue car is just the wife of somebody who owns a racing car.

 

[IM469]

"Spy Agency Consensus Grows That Russia Hacked D.N.C." - American intelligence agencies have told the White House they now have “high confidence” that the Russian government was behind the theft of emails and documents from the Democratic National Committee, .... the electronic fingerprints left by the intruders, leaves President Obama and his national security aides with a difficult diplomatic and political decision: whether to publicly accuse the government of President Vladimir V. Putin of engineering the hacking.

Such a public accusation could result in a further deterioration of the already icy relationship between Washington and Moscow, at a moment when the administration is trying to reach an accord with Mr. Putin on a cease-fire in Syria and on other issues. It could also doom any effort to reach some kind of agreement about acceptable behavior in cyberspace, of the kind the United States has been discussing with China" -
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/27/u...sensus-grows-that-russia-hacked-dnc.html?_r=0

RELATED COVERAGE


Democrats Allege D.N.C. Hack Is Part of Russian Effort to Elect Donald Trump JULY 25, 2016

D.N.C. Says Russian Hackers Penetrated Its Files, Including Dossier on Donald Trump JUNE 14, 2016


"Russian government hackers penetrated DNC, stole opposition research on Trump" : https://www.washingtonpost.com/worl...006cb4-316e-11e6-8ff7-7b6c1998b7a0_story.html

"The Same Russian Hackers Hit the DNC and the DCCC, Security Firms Say" : http://foreignpolicy.com/2016/08/01...-hit-the-dnc-and-the-dccc-security-firms-say/

" U.S. spy agencies had concluded that two Russian intelligence agencies or their proxies were targeting the Democratic National Committee, the central organizing body of the Democratic Party." http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-democrats-hack-idUSKCN10N00D

"US security services have blamed the leaks on state-sponsored Russian hackers and say the group responsible also published 20,000 Democratic party internal emails in June." : http://www.independent.co.uk/news/b...rity-services-dcleaks-wikileaks-a7192396.html


So BP - how does it feel to know that you are supporting a Russian asset for election to the white house. As for you persistent selective amnesia - check Youtube under trump - putin where you can see Trump bragging about his close relationship with his buddy Putin. That is on video - not some convoluted fabricated fantasy that you seem to prefer. Trump / Putin - it is real.

 

[Bud Plug]

"Spy Agency Consensus Grows That Russia Hacked D.N.C." - American intelligence agencies have told the White House they now have “high confidence” that the Russian government was behind the theft of emails and documents from the Democratic National Committee, .... the electronic fingerprints left by the intruders, leaves President Obama and his national security aides with a difficult diplomatic and political decision: whether to publicly accuse the government of President Vladimir V. Putin of engineering the hacking.

Such a public accusation could result in a further deterioration of the already icy relationship between Washington and Moscow, at a moment when the administration is trying to reach an accord with Mr. Putin on a cease-fire in Syria and on other issues. It could also doom any effort to reach some kind of agreement about acceptable behavior in cyberspace, of the kind the United States has been discussing with China" -
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/27/u...sensus-grows-that-russia-hacked-dnc.html?_r=0

RELATED COVERAGE


Democrats Allege D.N.C. Hack Is Part of Russian Effort to Elect Donald Trump JULY 25, 2016

D.N.C. Says Russian Hackers Penetrated Its Files, Including Dossier on Donald Trump JUNE 14, 2016


"Russian government hackers penetrated DNC, stole opposition research on Trump" : https://www.washingtonpost.com/worl...006cb4-316e-11e6-8ff7-7b6c1998b7a0_story.html

"The Same Russian Hackers Hit the DNC and the DCCC, Security Firms Say" : http://foreignpolicy.com/2016/08/01...-hit-the-dnc-and-the-dccc-security-firms-say/

" U.S. spy agencies had concluded that two Russian intelligence agencies or their proxies were targeting the Democratic National Committee, the central organizing body of the Democratic Party." http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-democrats-hack-idUSKCN10N00D

"US security services have blamed the leaks on state-sponsored Russian hackers and say the group responsible also published 20,000 Democratic party internal emails in June." : http://www.independent.co.uk/news/b...rity-services-dcleaks-wikileaks-a7192396.html


So BP - how does it feel to know that you are supporting a Russian asset for election to the white house. As for you persistent selective amnesia - check Youtube under trump - putin where you can see Trump bragging about his close relationship with his buddy Putin. That is on video - not some convoluted fabricated fantasy that you seem to prefer. Trump / Putin - it is real.

Read the NYT article a little more closely. Their source is "federal officials who have been briefed on the evidence". Whoever that is, it's the Obama administration. Quite simply, not a reliable source on this issue given Obama's endorsement of Clinton and campaign support. Secondly, the report claims that there is "high confidence" that the Russians were behind the hacking. That's a strange way to assess what would have to be a technical investigation. Either there is a trail leading to an identifiable Russian operative, or there isn't. "High confidence"? You might as well say "that's our best guess", for all the weight that would carry! However, what's noteworthy is that the only OFFICIAL statement is that the NSA have not reached a conclusion.

All the other sources you cite are, likewise, DNC sources.

And as to Trump and Putin, you Clinton supporters can never make up your mind whether to claim that they're best friends or claim that Trump is lying about knowing him at all. You continually switch the narrative to suit the smear tactic of the particular day. When you can make up your mind, then there will be something to talk about.

 

[fuji]

Hilarious that Bud thinks Clinton has connections to Russia. That claim is extraordinarily indirect: somebody gave money to the foundation run by Clinton's husband, that person works in Russian business, Russia is corrupt so Putin must be associated with any Russian business (hand wave). Therefore Clinton has connection with Putin.

Meanwhile Trump's immediate family members are cavorting on a beach with Putin's significant other.

Fucking comedy gold!

 

[mandrill]

Yes, I realize that WikiLeaks does not hack for it's information. They have said that their sources take extreme risks to provide them with the documents they publish.

The only reports that have asserted that WikiLeaks got their documents from Russian hackers have come from the DNC and the Clinton campaign. A strange allegation, given Clinton ties to Russian (Putin connected) business interests. It's such a perversely strange tact for Clinton to be taking, it looks diversionary to me.

The NSA has said that they have not reached any determination on who the hackers were.

While Assange has not confirmed his source, his only statements connected to that topic suggest that the information may have been leaked by a DNC staffer. If that's correct, that would explain why there were no hacks of the RNC (or at least no hacks that anyone turned over to WikiLeaks).

I think there's far more likelihood of Clinton being burned by her Russian connections than Trump.

No, the conclusions come from any and every reputable expert on the subject of international political hacking. The Russians do this shit continually as part of an ongoing campaign to embarrass the West. Assange is a lying fuck and is also a Putin tool. Lots of CNN coverage on that connection. The NSA has not come out and blamed Russia for diplomatic reasons.

 

[mandrill]

It's amazing that with all the ground troops, the tens of millions in negative ads, the media Super Pac in her corner, the typical liberal celebrity support, that there is even a race worth talking about. It goes to show how weak Clinton is as a candidate.

Everybody in Clintonland is on edge because they know that she can swerve and crash into a ditch at any moment.

There's no race. Trump is losing in a landslide so total and embarrassing that his own party will likely dump him in a couple of weeks. And it will only get worse for him as he fucks up more and more each day.

 

[Bud Plug]

No, the conclusions come from any and every reputable expert on the subject of international political hacking. The Russians do this shit continually as part of an ongoing campaign to embarrass the West. Assange is a lying fuck and is also a Putin tool. Lots of CNN coverage on that connection. The NSA has not come out and blamed Russia for diplomatic reasons.

The problem with your analysis is that you are claiming that there are conclusions, which their aren't. There are some opinions. Opinions based on a number of different considerations, including political. If there was a conclusion, the NSA would be the first to make a public statement about it, since they have already made a preliminary statement (that they haven't reached any conclusion).

I have no problem with your premise that the Russians are fully capable of doing this kind of thing, and that they may be motivated to interfere in the election. They might even be inclined to take credit for it, even if they had nothing to do with it. But that's a long way from a conclusion.

Is Assange a lying fuck? Or are the DNC, who have yet to deny the authenticity of the e-mails which led to the removal of their chair, lying fucks, or more accurately lying and deflecting fucks?

 

[Bud Plug]

There's no race. Trump is losing in a landslide so total and embarrassing that his own party will likely dump him in a couple of weeks. And it will only get worse for him as he fucks up more and more each day.

I hope you'll reopen this thread in 2 weeks when Trump is still the GOP candidate to post "I guess I'm just way off base here. Just ignore my posts from now on."

 

[mandrill]

The problem with your analysis is that you are claiming that there are conclusions, which their aren't. There are some opinions. Opinions based on a number of different considerations, including political. If there was a conclusion, the NSA would be the first to make a public statement about it, since they have already made a preliminary statement (that they haven't reached any conclusion).

I have no problem with your premise that the Russians are fully capable of doing this kind of thing, and that they may be motivated to interfere in the election. They might even be inclined to take credit for it, even if they had nothing to do with it. But that's a long way from a conclusion.

Is Assange a lying fuck? Or are DNC, who have yet to deny the authenticity of the e-mails which led to the removal their chair, lying fucks, or more accurately lying and deflecting fucks?

"Opinions" from highly qualified people who are experts in their field are essentially conclusions. They know the Russians did it. But the US govt cannot officially take that position.