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Re: Monet is just supplying the brush and paint.
Too funny!Cool Dude said:Your's is a self portrait.
The song that never ends
My point is since you began your crusade for your fair lady, the "boys" have deluged her with calls and business. Not a bad thing but there are some people that do not want to wear the shoes of any of the boys as you don't know what dog shit they have stepped in. I received sage advice once that simply stated "if you lie with dogs you catch fleas". I think that this best exemplifies the effect that you have had on this SP's business. You can only do so many clients in a day and I am quite confident that she needs your services no longer - most of her middle-aged regulars are gone and all is left are a bunch of Honda Civics with high-pitched exhausts, overly tinted window with neon lights under the car, sitting in the parking lot blasting ghetto grunge and waiting their turn at the door.
(Does this describe the rice burner more completely?
Buddy, and I won't mention any names here, but you don't know whether it's shot out or punched out! I believe that anyone with a small amount of intellectual capacity would have realized that the insult was directed towards you and not the already mentioned too much SP. Lynn Ha (whoops I just mentioned her) is a nice woman giving good service for the value. She is clean, courteous and well spoken.tbill said:
My point is since you began your crusade for your fair lady, the "boys" have deluged her with calls and business. Not a bad thing but there are some people that do not want to wear the shoes of any of the boys as you don't know what dog shit they have stepped in. I received sage advice once that simply stated "if you lie with dogs you catch fleas". I think that this best exemplifies the effect that you have had on this SP's business. You can only do so many clients in a day and I am quite confident that she needs your services no longer - most of her middle-aged regulars are gone and all is left are a bunch of Honda Civics with high-pitched exhausts, overly tinted window with neon lights under the car, sitting in the parking lot blasting ghetto grunge and waiting their turn at the door.
(Does this describe the rice burner more completely?
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I may not be in the best position to express an opinion on this subject, as I have yet to visit an SP (plan to remedy this very soon), but I'll go ahead anyway.
I don't expect that I could ever justify spending $1000/hr for an SP but that doesn't mean others can't. We all spend our money based on our personal preceptions of "value". I own an economy car because I don't preceive the value of a high end sports car but for those who get pleasure from driving, a high end car is a reasonable expense.
I am generally very careful how I spend money, trying to avoid "impluse buying" as much as possible. Having said this I don't have a problem with an SP charging a few hunderd dollars an hour. If you compare this with the rates charged by consultants in many fields for example it is not outrageous. Some might argue that there is a difference between the service that a business consultant charging $300/hr provides and the service provided by an SP but this difference in my mind is only in the details. Ideally, both have special attributes that allow them to provide the required services. Understanding the customers requirements is important for both the consultant and the SP, if they don't their customer will not be satisfied and business will suffer. The main difference is that the business consultant is usually billing a corporation while the SP is billing a consumer.
I don't think being a GOOD SP is easy, in addition to the issues a business consultant has to deal with, an SP has to understand the risks associated with the various services they are providing and how to best minimize those risks. I expect that at times some customers make requests for an SP to provide extra service which imply greater risk, requiring the SP to decide if they are comfortable with the request or in most situations, I expect, being able to say "no" and potentially disappoint the customer. Unlike a business consultant, there is the possiblity of emotional issues arising at least in a few cases although it appears people try to prevent this from happening.
Independent SP's also need a range of business skills. I don't expect that you just decide to become an SP one day and your calander is filled the next. While some simply put an advertisment in the classified section, I expect this has limited success at the higher price range. From what I've seen many have tasteful web sites and allow you to correspond with them via email in advance of meeting them. As mentioned in an earlier post, SP's also have additional expenses such as travel costs, wardrobe (I'm guessing here), and rent in the case of those who provide incall services. When you are paying $300/hr to meet with an SP, that has to cover the time they have spent working to get you to meet with them.
Remember, as much as you might like to imagine otherwise, this is a business transaction which you have decided to participate in. Decide what you are really looking for and then determine what it will cost. Since the service isn't a necessity of life, you can always decide not to proceed if you think the cost isn't justified.
The one aspect I haven't addressed thus far is price negotiation. I expect that most people are used to some price negotiation in most business transactions and so the "non-negotiable" policy of most SP's may be an issue for some. I know that my rates are negotiable but that they vary primarily based on expectations of a continued, hopefully long term business relationship or if the contract is for an extended length of time. I'm not entirely how this would apply for an SP except in terms of long term repeat visits.
Finally, my attitude is that if I do enjoy meeting with an SP, then I will view it as a "luxury" activity, a special treat that I can provide for myself on an occassional basis. Thus, spending $500-600 for a few hours isn't outrageous.
I don't expect that I could ever justify spending $1000/hr for an SP but that doesn't mean others can't. We all spend our money based on our personal preceptions of "value". I own an economy car because I don't preceive the value of a high end sports car but for those who get pleasure from driving, a high end car is a reasonable expense.
I am generally very careful how I spend money, trying to avoid "impluse buying" as much as possible. Having said this I don't have a problem with an SP charging a few hunderd dollars an hour. If you compare this with the rates charged by consultants in many fields for example it is not outrageous. Some might argue that there is a difference between the service that a business consultant charging $300/hr provides and the service provided by an SP but this difference in my mind is only in the details. Ideally, both have special attributes that allow them to provide the required services. Understanding the customers requirements is important for both the consultant and the SP, if they don't their customer will not be satisfied and business will suffer. The main difference is that the business consultant is usually billing a corporation while the SP is billing a consumer.
I don't think being a GOOD SP is easy, in addition to the issues a business consultant has to deal with, an SP has to understand the risks associated with the various services they are providing and how to best minimize those risks. I expect that at times some customers make requests for an SP to provide extra service which imply greater risk, requiring the SP to decide if they are comfortable with the request or in most situations, I expect, being able to say "no" and potentially disappoint the customer. Unlike a business consultant, there is the possiblity of emotional issues arising at least in a few cases although it appears people try to prevent this from happening.
Independent SP's also need a range of business skills. I don't expect that you just decide to become an SP one day and your calander is filled the next. While some simply put an advertisment in the classified section, I expect this has limited success at the higher price range. From what I've seen many have tasteful web sites and allow you to correspond with them via email in advance of meeting them. As mentioned in an earlier post, SP's also have additional expenses such as travel costs, wardrobe (I'm guessing here), and rent in the case of those who provide incall services. When you are paying $300/hr to meet with an SP, that has to cover the time they have spent working to get you to meet with them.
Remember, as much as you might like to imagine otherwise, this is a business transaction which you have decided to participate in. Decide what you are really looking for and then determine what it will cost. Since the service isn't a necessity of life, you can always decide not to proceed if you think the cost isn't justified.
The one aspect I haven't addressed thus far is price negotiation. I expect that most people are used to some price negotiation in most business transactions and so the "non-negotiable" policy of most SP's may be an issue for some. I know that my rates are negotiable but that they vary primarily based on expectations of a continued, hopefully long term business relationship or if the contract is for an extended length of time. I'm not entirely how this would apply for an SP except in terms of long term repeat visits.
Finally, my attitude is that if I do enjoy meeting with an SP, then I will view it as a "luxury" activity, a special treat that I can provide for myself on an occassional basis. Thus, spending $500-600 for a few hours isn't outrageous.
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Jay_toronto
Challenger:
Are you incinerating something!
I'm rather fond of my Civic.
Can I watch my mouth around Sasha, too?
Are you incinerating something!
I'm rather fond of my Civic.
Can I watch my mouth around Sasha, too?
tbill,
How'd you know my car was a Honda Civic? You're right a Civic isn't cheap; but in my view it is good value. But that's my point, I search for value first, price second. Of course, if something is beyond my means, then it just never enters into consideration.
How'd you know my car was a Honda Civic? You're right a Civic isn't cheap; but in my view it is good value. But that's my point, I search for value first, price second. Of course, if something is beyond my means, then it just never enters into consideration.
t bill at it again ...
who knew my opinion of him could possibly get any lower ...?
syn
this is one of the most offensive posts i have seen on terb ... and it only re-inforces how much the idea of having t bill as a client makes me cringe.tbill said:
who knew my opinion of him could possibly get any lower ...?
syn
Sasha!
Tbill says you've been harassing him here on TERB for months. Now I'm not sure whether he's correct since he was entirely below my radar horizon until this thread.
I do, however, remember you as being a part of the group of posters who harassed the hell out of someone who sounded a lot like Tbill on MBB last winter! I also recall telling you all to stop it but it was too late - you had in effect run him off MBB!
Any explanation?
Tbill says you've been harassing him here on TERB for months. Now I'm not sure whether he's correct since he was entirely below my radar horizon until this thread.
I do, however, remember you as being a part of the group of posters who harassed the hell out of someone who sounded a lot like Tbill on MBB last winter! I also recall telling you all to stop it but it was too late - you had in effect run him off MBB!
Any explanation?
So just 'cause I was part of the "group" I get to take the blame for running him off MBB?
For your information Cave, tbill (aka props/playboy/hmmm/petea/etc) has been carrying on this shit for years, not months.
I have been harrasing him? Yeah right! I would post the emails he has sent me over the years to prove my position but that wouldn't be right so I guess I will just have to hope on the good faith of the posters here to believe me.
Now getting back to the part about "me" running him off MBB.....
this is not the first time he has been "run off" a board, and I certianly wasn't the first to have a hand in helping do it either. I am just one of the few who are still around since he showed up and I know what his history is.
As I said before, I would never think of revealing who he is (real name and all) he has never been a client of mine but we have met and that is all you guys need to know. I don't think he is a physical threat to any of the girls but I do stand by my opinion tha the is an idiot and I obviously have people who back me on that and feel the same.
If you think that calling someone and idiot or a moron a couple of times over the past couple of months harrassment then I guess I have been.
For your information Cave, tbill (aka props/playboy/hmmm/petea/etc) has been carrying on this shit for years, not months.
I have been harrasing him? Yeah right! I would post the emails he has sent me over the years to prove my position but that wouldn't be right so I guess I will just have to hope on the good faith of the posters here to believe me.
Now getting back to the part about "me" running him off MBB.....
this is not the first time he has been "run off" a board, and I certianly wasn't the first to have a hand in helping do it either. I am just one of the few who are still around since he showed up and I know what his history is.
As I said before, I would never think of revealing who he is (real name and all) he has never been a client of mine but we have met and that is all you guys need to know. I don't think he is a physical threat to any of the girls but I do stand by my opinion tha the is an idiot and I obviously have people who back me on that and feel the same.
If you think that calling someone and idiot or a moron a couple of times over the past couple of months harrassment then I guess I have been.
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Unfortunately this phenomenon is not unique to the escort industry, it's true in many other businesses as well.syn said:
the human factor
it is the human factor that i find troubling ...
i am not pointing any fingers, but i find it is so distressing that so many of the less fortunate women in the biz get paid peanuts to be treated so poorly. some of them do not realize that they do not have to perform some services ... often they are younger sp's or just inexperienced.
of course this is a reality that many of the internet savvy sp's on this board have never experienced.
syn
it is the human factor that i find troubling ...
i am not pointing any fingers, but i find it is so distressing that so many of the less fortunate women in the biz get paid peanuts to be treated so poorly. some of them do not realize that they do not have to perform some services ... often they are younger sp's or just inexperienced.
of course this is a reality that many of the internet savvy sp's on this board have never experienced.
syn
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Sasha!
"So just 'cause I was part of the "group" I get to take the blame for running him off MBB?"
No, not all of the blame. Just your fair share!
"For your information Cave, tbill (aka props/playboy/hmmm/petea/etc) has been carrying on this shit for years, not months."
He wasn't carrying on any "shit" on MBB! Yet you and some others treated him as if he was!
"this is not the first time he has been "run off" a board, and I certianly wasn't the first to have a hand in helping do it either."
Yes, and it was wrong every time!
"If you think that calling someone and idiot or a moron a couple of times over the past couple of months harrassment then I guess I have been."
Forgetting about the sordid display on MBB, Hmmm/Props/Petea took far more abuse on this board last winter than he ever dished out - primarily because he doesn't have the language skills to do the dishing! It looked a lot to me like ganging up a cripple! Would you have been willing to apply your "wit" to a more sporting target - e.g. Ripped, Foxhound, Pagan etc.?
"So just 'cause I was part of the "group" I get to take the blame for running him off MBB?"
No, not all of the blame. Just your fair share!
"For your information Cave, tbill (aka props/playboy/hmmm/petea/etc) has been carrying on this shit for years, not months."
He wasn't carrying on any "shit" on MBB! Yet you and some others treated him as if he was!
"this is not the first time he has been "run off" a board, and I certianly wasn't the first to have a hand in helping do it either."
Yes, and it was wrong every time!
"If you think that calling someone and idiot or a moron a couple of times over the past couple of months harrassment then I guess I have been."
Forgetting about the sordid display on MBB, Hmmm/Props/Petea took far more abuse on this board last winter than he ever dished out - primarily because he doesn't have the language skills to do the dishing! It looked a lot to me like ganging up a cripple! Would you have been willing to apply your "wit" to a more sporting target - e.g. Ripped, Foxhound, Pagan etc.?
I already took on Ripped once.
That was all I ever had the need to do.
I never had a problem with Foxy or Pagan so why would I?
I don't really have a problem with Ripped either but we just didn't see eye to eye on a certain subject, there is nothing wrong with that.
As I said I could post the emails from tbill over the years to prove my point but I won't so I guess I will leave it at that.
That was all I ever had the need to do.
I never had a problem with Foxy or Pagan so why would I?
I don't really have a problem with Ripped either but we just didn't see eye to eye on a certain subject, there is nothing wrong with that.
As I said I could post the emails from tbill over the years to prove my point but I won't so I guess I will leave it at that.
Look, Oil please,
I don't see why I am getting the brunt of this attack where tbill is concerned. Many of the guys on the board have called him a moron too "in so many words". So what, I think he is a moron, who cares, there are plenty others that feel the same way, many have stated as much, many have not. I think I also clearly stated that I didn't feel tbill was a physical threat to anyone.
All I am saying is that you would think that after being run off the boards numerous times over the past 3-4 years he would have gotten the point by now. He has been given more than enough advice on how to conduct himself in a more appropriate manner and he chooses to ignore it. That is his problem. As long as he continues to ramble on about the underage girls he finds on Quest and the like, and the crack whores he pays $20 to sleep with he is going to get some grief.
As for the harassment allegation, that is a total farce, I have asked him repeatedly over the years to stop emailing me with his incoherent ramblings and every so often another email that makes no sense whatsoever pops up in my inbox. So why should he get special treatment from me because he seems to be a little slow in learning simple social graces. Not to mention, just a few days ago a few members of this board (which I have never corresponded with) recieved rude PM's from him, and was asked to stop. So who is harassing who here?
I wasn't the first to call tbill a moron and I can safely bet I won't be the last.
Call me a bitch if you want but I call 'em like I see 'em.
BTW, I have NEVER asked anyone to stand up for me, I can handle my own arguments, thank you very much.
I don't see why I am getting the brunt of this attack where tbill is concerned. Many of the guys on the board have called him a moron too "in so many words". So what, I think he is a moron, who cares, there are plenty others that feel the same way, many have stated as much, many have not. I think I also clearly stated that I didn't feel tbill was a physical threat to anyone.
All I am saying is that you would think that after being run off the boards numerous times over the past 3-4 years he would have gotten the point by now. He has been given more than enough advice on how to conduct himself in a more appropriate manner and he chooses to ignore it. That is his problem. As long as he continues to ramble on about the underage girls he finds on Quest and the like, and the crack whores he pays $20 to sleep with he is going to get some grief.
As for the harassment allegation, that is a total farce, I have asked him repeatedly over the years to stop emailing me with his incoherent ramblings and every so often another email that makes no sense whatsoever pops up in my inbox. So why should he get special treatment from me because he seems to be a little slow in learning simple social graces. Not to mention, just a few days ago a few members of this board (which I have never corresponded with) recieved rude PM's from him, and was asked to stop. So who is harassing who here?
I wasn't the first to call tbill a moron and I can safely bet I won't be the last.
Call me a bitch if you want but I call 'em like I see 'em.
BTW, I have NEVER asked anyone to stand up for me, I can handle my own arguments, thank you very much.
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Sasha!
"I don't see why I am getting the brunt of this attack where tbill is concerned."
Two posters call you to task and you protest that you're getting the brunt of the attack? I guess you're learning how Tbill must feel!
"He has been given more than enough advice on how to conduct himself in a more appropriate manner and he chooses to ignore it."
Not surprising! I'd ignore it too! It's the diverse personalities on this board that make it interesting!
"Not to mention, just a few days ago a few members of this board (which I have never corresponded with) recieved rude PM's from him, and was asked to stop. So who is harassing who here?"
Before you call some other poster a moron, you had better make sure your own posting is flawless! You have not! The correct spelling is received and your sentence should be "So who is harassing whom here?"
"I wasn't the first to call tbill a moron and I can safely bet I won't be the last."
You may be wrong on this point for a short while anyway! If any other poster would like to step right up and refer to Tbill as a moron, why I'll be glad to do him the "favour" of checking out his posts for spelling, grammatical and logical errors!
"I don't see why I am getting the brunt of this attack where tbill is concerned."
Two posters call you to task and you protest that you're getting the brunt of the attack? I guess you're learning how Tbill must feel!
"He has been given more than enough advice on how to conduct himself in a more appropriate manner and he chooses to ignore it."
Not surprising! I'd ignore it too! It's the diverse personalities on this board that make it interesting!
"Not to mention, just a few days ago a few members of this board (which I have never corresponded with) recieved rude PM's from him, and was asked to stop. So who is harassing who here?"
Before you call some other poster a moron, you had better make sure your own posting is flawless! You have not! The correct spelling is received and your sentence should be "So who is harassing whom here?"
"I wasn't the first to call tbill a moron and I can safely bet I won't be the last."
You may be wrong on this point for a short while anyway! If any other poster would like to step right up and refer to Tbill as a moron, why I'll be glad to do him the "favour" of checking out his posts for spelling, grammatical and logical errors!
