Moonwaiting trafficking wtf?

[Frank Underwood]

It is not clear what trafficking means in this situation. Guns or drugs can be trafficked. The woman are not necessarily being forced, but there is definitely links to organized crime and shady dealings.

Brother, in this case of pimps being arrested with charges related to prostitution the meaning is not open to interpretation. This is the definition of trafficking as per York Region Police:

Human Trafficking - York Regional Police

Human trafficking is the exploitation, manipulation or control of a person (usually a female) by violence or threats of violence to provide a sexual service or forced labour. Human trafficking is not the same as human smuggling.

www.yrp.ca

What is human trafficking?
Human trafficking is the exploitation, manipulation or control of a person (usually a female) by violence or threats of violence to provide a sexual service or forced labour. Human trafficking is not the same as human smuggling.

For years now the only Asian in-call I've been to is the little house in Oshawa, and I was also a bit hesitant about that. I've had it with all of them now, no more for me. I hope justice is served swiftly and decisively. Sex work should be consensual and safe.

As I said earlier within this thread:

White agencies are no different, actually historically the white agencies that have gotten busted has been for trafficking underage girls, not that it's any better but at least moonwaiting was dealing with girls over 30 years old.

Don't kid yourself my friend, this is not a race issue it's an industry issue. Or do you think all those barely legal girls on leo list are all doing this of their own accord?

 

[jcpro]

Anyone remember Juicy Hoshi? She worked at ASB and MW i believe.
She had her own condo near fairview and a designer poodle. Was also dating this rich old chinese guy.
Was she trafficked too?
What about EL from barbiehouse69? Worked there for years then opened her own agency Love and Secret.
Right....

Hoshi was the best. A couple years back she got RE license, but was still supplementing her income as an indy. Nothing since then. I don't know what the deal is with the Oriental agencies, but I suspect that there is some kind of deal between the girls and the principals for bringing them over. Most likely some kind of indenture agreement.

 

[sexyandcity]

So sad my favorite agency got raided. I miss some of their mms

 

[hodge12]

Snakehead (gang) - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[mandrill]

Anyone remember Juicy Hoshi? She worked at ASB and MW i believe.
She had her own condo near fairview and a designer poodle. Was also dating this rich old chinese guy.
Was she trafficked too?
What about EL from barbiehouse69? Worked there for years then opened her own agency Love and Secret.
Right....

Those poodles are the worst pimps of all. Watch out for the shih tzus also.

 

[Averagejoe416]

I remember using a massage parlor many years ago in Downtown Toronto. There were a variety of girls, one Asian girl was always working while the others weren't and had part time schedules. I came to find out she lived in the massage parlor and had been sold here by her husband in China. It doesn't have to be the entire operation that is all human trafficking to be human trafficking.

 

[sweetiepieexo]

Lol stopping human trafficking, and shutting down an illegal casino is racist?

Or.... could it just be police doing their job?

Lol haha . Some people scream racist whenever they feel they know what's going on .

Clearly this agency got busted because they were shady . I feel bad to the girls who got used by this agency and now probably have nothing . Hopefully the girls got something out of all the work they did .

 

[mandrill]

Hoshi was the best. A couple years back she got RE license, but was still supplementing her income as an indy. Nothing since then. I don't know what the deal is with the Oriental agencies, but I suspect that there is some kind of deal between the girls and the principals for bringing them over. Most likely some kind of indenture agreement.

Most people would call it "slavery", JC.

 

[poker]

It’s not just in the Asian agencies. All the spa’s in London (and many other places) are run by H.A.

 

[ezspencer]

Often, news outlets and police just report on the bust and you never hear of it again. Hope they continue covering it as the case unfolds to see what really was going on, what they perceived as trafficking, etc.

 

[Boss Nass]

So sad my favorite agency got raided. I miss some of their mms

You might want to think of the women instead of yourself.

 

[mandrill]

I remember using a massage parlor many years ago in Downtown Toronto. There were a variety of girls, one Asian girl was always working while the others weren't and had part time schedules. I came to find out she lived in the massage parlor and had been sold here by her husband in China. It doesn't have to be the entire operation that is all human trafficking to be human trafficking.

Always worth bearing in mind.

 

[Frank Underwood]

So you're saying SP's like @Jenesis who regularly post here are being trafficked by pimps??

No, not at all. I don't know Jenesis so I wouldn't make that claim. What I am saying is that there is a lot of pimps posting ads for girls posing as independents. On leolist and on other sites. You cannot assume that any girl having her own website or posting continuously on twitter or anywhere is not being trafficked.

Personally I would encourage you to read more literature about how to spot victims of human trafficking if you are interested, but I am afraid that I am not an expert on the subject. All I know is that some time ago there was a bunch of indies with identical ads coming from Montreal and other places, and one of them told me that their bosses were people who used to be involved running an "agency." Those people advertised her on TERB, so don't assume that TERB vs Leolist is also safe.

 

[waynward]

I'm not sure if I really believe these girls were traficked and this is just a media line to cover up other concerns like untaxed revenue, public health, gun control. If the last 2 years has shown us anything, what the media publishes and what happens in reality can have some big disreptencies. And the word traficking and prostitution are always used hand in hand without question. Implying zero percent ever choose to do this willingly. Hence why it's not legalized since it binded 100% with idea all are trafficked.

As I talked with allot of these girls and exchanged contacts and would chat with them away from work. And they seemed free to move around and come and go as they please. As I always questioned this myself from the beginning if they were doing under durress and I CERTAINLY would not participate if I knew that was the case.

Two girls from MW are now working at barbiehouse69.
I find this strange. If this girls are being forced and MW got busted why are they working at another agency?

 

[waynward]

I never saw anyone there underage.

If anything the website would always say their age is 19 I guess to attract more people.

But in person most of these girls would tell me their age 23, 28, 26 etc...I mean who knows what is true. The fact their acting like my girlfriend for an hour is a lie in itself. But I usually can get a sense of a girl being younger by her vibe and never got that feeling.

I thought the kind of "trafficking" the police have been investigating in the GTA's sex trade is limited to underage girls only. Is that not the case here? If so I'm glad they busted those "traffickers" involved.

Human scum...

 

[Samranchoi]

I never saw anyone there underage.

If anything the website would always say their age is 19 I guess to attract more people.

But in person most of these girls would tell me their age 23, 28, 26 etc...I mean who knows what is true. The fact their acting like my girlfriend for an hour is a lie in itself. But I usually can get a sense of a girl being younger by her vibe and never got that feeling.

I once went to Niagara Falls with 4 of the women and we were walking around and decided to walk into the casino. All were asked to show their ID’s and were let in no problem. Another woman I went with was asked for her ID and she was 44 years old. Most are over 30 pushing 40. Even the one that was detained 6 years ago in the last raid where ZP was involved was over 40. I have never encountered any women at MW, ASB or BH that were anywhere close to being 19 or 20. The youngest was about 6 years ago and she was 25

 

[Samranchoi]

Clearly this agency got busted because they were shady . I feel bad to the girls who got used by this agency and now probably have nothing . Hopefully the girls got something out of all the work they did .

From what I know, many have sent hundreds of thousands of dollars back home to their families (many also have children) or to their accounts for when they return. I visited one woman a couple of years ago and she is back home working at the job she took leave from to work in Canada and she lives in her free and clear home and drives around in a $100,000+ vehicle. Another one I know now owns her home in Canada. I am just one person who knows some that were in the business. I am sure many other guys know similar stories.

 

[moredale7]

That's the last time I'm using an Asian agency.
I have a feeling all the other agencies use trafficked girls as well, and that disgusts me!

That's the last time I'm using an Asian agency

I have a feeling all the other agencies use trafficked girls

Surely you have worded this incorrectly.

 

[Phil C. McNasty]

That's the last time I'm using an Asian agency

I have a feeling all the other agencies use trafficked girls

Surely you have worded this incorrectly

Surely not

 

[Chloetemptress]

Are people really so ignorant to believe just because the girl looks like she has money or has designer things she’s not being trafficked or if she fakes a smile and a moan ? I know a lot of “upscale” providers in Toronto who have pimps and the pimp has multiple other women. These women have surgeries, designer bags, and condos. they still go out to eat, shop but They are still being brainwashed, controlled, having their money controlled/handed over abused and so on. Some of these ladies have good reviews on here or are reputable, it doesn’t matter how old she is. Women are being trafficked in their 30s too, and the cops take it just as seriously. There’s a unit dedicated to this kind of stuff in burloa

I have been around trafficking I can assure you most clients are completely oblivious to it and wouldn’t know the difference, it’s not always some drugged up girl off backpage/LeoList bruised up working 24 hours a day. you see Toronto 304s ten toes down ghetto gangster crap on Instagram all the time. Their pimp is usually their “boyfriend” or sometimes another working girl that’s a friend. You know when you see the other girl hiding in the bathroom ? She has nowhere else to go.

also good luck if you are a client who sees someone who was trafficked, drugged. the vice unit will charge you regardless if you knew or not or if she’s legal age. They will track her clients off the pimps phone number. They spend hours a day scrolling through LeoList and usually try to make contacts with the victims of trafficking.
not everything is what it seems.


there’s women who live at these incalls of agencies. This thread is a whole lot of ignorance and Poor assumptions on trafficking in Ontario