Michio Kaku

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http://science.discovery.com/questions/michio-kaku/michio-kaku.html

#4 was pretty interesting.

4. Would you have your brain "downloaded" into a computer? Could it mean eternal life? Or would it be like being one of the heads in bell jars in Futurama?
A. Living in a bell jar is not my idea of "living." However, in the far future, merging with our robot creations may be a better alternative. In this case, we could have superhuman powers, live forever and explore the universe in near-invulnerable bodies. There is no law of physics preventing this. In fact, if we ever make contact with an advanced civilization in space, we should not be surprised if they have already altered their genetics and biological organs. In fact, I would be surprised if a civilization a million years more advanced than us has not modified their bodies genetically and mechanically. Just to live on distant worlds and harsh environments, they may have to alter their bodies in this way. And also remember that we must leave the Earth in the far future, due to ice ages (perhaps 10,000 years in the future), meteor impacts (perhaps 10 million years in the future) and the death of the sun itself (5 billion years from now). And when we do, it will be absolutely essential that we modify ourselves, or perish. There is no other choice.

I recall seeing a show on CNN with Sanjay Gupta , he was talking about cloning and replacing body parts, and immortality saying its theoretically possible.

I believe we'll eventually clone humans, or become man/machine hybrids.
 
Or one nuclear war and we are all instantly modified.

Maybe the future will start from the deserts in Africa, as there will be no need to bomb them.
 
islandman4567 said:
4. Would you have your brain "downloaded" into a computer? A. . . . merging with our robot creations . . . There is no law of physics preventing this.
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But one has to ask whether this 'merger' is really making ourselves more robotic and less human? When MK cites no laws of physics against the merger, he is presupposing that what makes us human is no different than some formulas in physics, so that downloading ourselves is possible because our humanity is equivalent to formulas representable as 1's and 0's. I disagree. There's alot about us that escapes formulas and laws, including basic socialization. MK is just one more in a line of bad philosophers, too seduced by computerization and insufficiently impressed by real people.
 
This guy is a complete quack. I seen some of his stuff on discovery and it is all about sensationalizing and nothing to do with anything remotely real.

What if we could grow pussies on rocks, would you fuck it? That would be closer reality than the downloading ourselves into computers.
 
nolabel said:
But one has to ask whether this 'merger' is really making ourselves more robotic and less human? When MK cites no laws of physics against the merger, he is presupposing that what makes us human is no different than some formulas in physics, so that downloading ourselves is possible because our humanity is equivalent to formulas representable as 1's and 0's. I disagree. There's alot about us that escapes formulas and laws, including basic socialization. MK is just one more in a line of bad philosophers, too seduced by computerization and insufficiently impressed by real people.
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i don't think its going to be so much like what we think of when we think of downloading today. I wouldn't want a USB port in the back of the head.

But what about chips implanted in the brain ?
http://www.livescience.com/health/060327_neuro_chips.html

or what bout this?
http//www.livescience.com/health/050317_brain_interface.html

or this?
http://www.livescience.com/technology/050218_monkey_arm.html

I'd call that a merging of humans/machines. These things are here now, I sure would like to be around to see what kind of stuff would be possible in another 100 years , much less a 1000 years. I'm sure nobody here that's healthy is going to go for something like brain implants or anything that would make you less human and more robot.

but , I'll bet you'd think differently if you were put in a situation like Christopher Reeves was.
or any one of the soldiers that have been hit by an IED and lost a limb.The stuff I've seen in the news about war amps and the prosthetic limbs available these days is remarkable. The Bionic Man doesn't seem so far fetched as it did when growing up.
 
Installing hardware to give me a mechanical erection, that is quite possible and given enough money it could very well be on the market tomorrow.

But do not get carried away, the brain is a totally different thing. We do not understand shitall about the brain. Look how much money is spent on anti depressants and anti psychotic drugs, if we could do anything at all of any significance when it comes to altering our brains it boggles my mind why we would not use it to help the millions in our own country that has mental diseases.

The best thing that we have currently that remotely comes close to having machines that function like a brain of any sort is neural networks. That shit has been around for probably the last quarter century and there has been no tangible further advances.

If we do not understand how the brain works how can we even begin to imagine designing a machine that can host our consciousness. Even if we knew everything there was to know about the brain, the hurdle of developing the technology is still immense. The current state of technology is such that now we can now decode 1080p HD porn, it is not quite in the neighborhood of being able to download your dog's mind into an iphone yet.

I watch discovery channel for science related stuff, if I wanted lunacy wrapped in a thin veil legitimacy, I would turn to Fox. Get that mofo off TV.
 
islandman4567 said:
i don't think its going to be so much like what we think of when we think of downloading today . . . The Bionic Man doesn't seem so far fetched as it did when growing up.
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If I interpret you correctly, that the human/machine might be like a brain popped into a machine rather than some idea of downloading our 'wetware' into a physical hard drive, then I would agree. I have previously seen the reports of 2 of the 3 links you cited, and there is certainly lots of promising work on getting a human/animal brain to control artificial prostheses.

But do you think that kind of thing is 'merging'? Is controlling any prosthesis fundamentally different than using a screwdriver, for instance? That's meant as an open-ended question, by the way. It seems more philosophically interesting, to me, to wonder about the extent to which humans might continually extend themselves - and repair themselves (your C. Reeve exampe) - via ever more prosthetic add ons.
 
islandman4567 said:
http://science.discovery.com/questions/michio-kaku/michio-kaku.html

#4 was pretty interesting.

4. Would you have your brain "downloaded" into a computer? Could it mean eternal life? Or would it be like being one of the heads in bell jars in Futurama?
A. Living in a bell jar is not my idea of "living." However, in the far future, merging with our robot creations may be a better alternative. In this case, we could have superhuman powers, live forever and explore the universe in near-invulnerable bodies. There is no law of physics preventing this. In fact, if we ever make contact with an advanced civilization in space, we should not be surprised if they have already altered their genetics and biological organs.
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Maybe not during our generation, I think it is just a matter time for scientists to digitally clone individual intelligence with success. Totally sounds like that anime Ghost In The Shell.

As for Michio Kaku, that dude is very out there, so far out that when he went on Fox he got dissed. Check out this clip where he talked about scientists miscalculating the effect of solar flare in 2012:

at the 3 min 9 sec mark
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tf3jPtaq9Q4&feature=player_embedded

Hope he's wrong about that.
 
Berlin said:
Maybe not during our generation, I think it is just a matter time for scientists to digitally clone individual intelligence with success. Totally sounds like that anime Ghost In The Shell.

As for Michio Kaku, that dude is very out there, so far out that when he went on Fox he got dissed. Check out this clip where he talked about scientists miscalculating the effect of solar flare in 2012:

at the 3 min 9 sec mark
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tf3jPtaq9Q4&feature=player_embedded

Hope he's wrong about that.
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I remember reading about solar flares that knocked out the power in Quebec some years back. I'll see if I can find it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/March_1989_geomagnetic_storm
 
islandman4567 said:
In fact, if we ever make contact with an advanced civilization in space, we should not be surprised if they have already altered their genetics and biological organs. In fact, I would be surprised if a civilization a million years more advanced than us has not modified their bodies genetically and mechanically.
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Interesting point. Never thought of it

Then why do all the people who claim alien abduction always say ET looks so puny


But I suspect he has a point here and Hollywood has got it wrong

If they are a million years more advanced then they would have superman bodies
 
No.... we will never download out out of our heads... Instead, they will find ways to upload crap into our heads. Then we can be told who to prey too, how to prey, and which nut job faction should be running the show, and why we should be willing to sacrifice ourselves for them....

Right now they use the radio, TV, and internet for that.... but implanting chips and sending it bluetooth will be much more cost and time effective.


Gee's I'm fuckin all rosey in the morning....

Cheers!
 
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