Merkel admits live on television that Germany has 'no-go areas'

[b4u]

Merkel admits live on television that Germany has 'no-go areas'

BERLIN -- German officials have been left speechless by Chancellor Angela Merkel's comment that there are "no-go areas" in the country.

The notion there are places in Germany outsiders -- including police -- can't visit has previously been dismissed by officials.

In an interview Monday with German broadcaster n-tv, Merkel said she favours a zero tolerance policy on crime and that includes preventing no-go areas, "that's areas where nobody dares to go."

She added: "There are such areas and one has to call them by their name and do something about them."

Asked to name the areas, Merkel's spokesman Steffen Seibert told reporters Wednesday that "the chancellor's words speak for themselves."

Interior Ministry spokesman Johannes Dimroth likewise declined to identify no-go areas, saying security was a matter for local not federal authorities.


not a very well kept secret.

 

[FAST]

And becoming quite common in Europe, unfortunately.

 

[Smallcock]

The lefties on this board were also in denial about this. The same is going to happen here... we just haven't hit critical mass yet. For now we're just limited to the occasional honour killing, and imam verbalizing to kill all non-believers or advocating for a separate legal system. It's harmless stuff really.

 

[Aardvark154]

Yet for months, indeed over a year, Kanzlerin Merkle, her government, and her party have all denied that this is true.

 

[Zaibetter]

The lefties on this board were also in denial about this. The same is going to happen here... we just haven't hit critical mass yet. For now we're just limited to the occasional honour killing, and imam verbalizing to kill all non-believers or advocating for a separate legal system. It's harmless stuff really.

The Libtards on terb have been denying this for years, they had no go zones in Sweden propably before Germany.

So... are they no-go zones? What you need to know about Sweden's vulnerable areas

1. What are these vulnerable areas everyone's talking about?

This debate began in 2015 when the Swedish police released a list of so-called "vulnerable areas" as part of their work to map the situation in some of the country's segregated suburbs. An updated report has now been released, which is likely to be the focus of a lot of discussion in the run-up to Sweden's general election in 2018.

The police definition of a “vulnerable area” is: “a geographically defined area characterized by a low socio-economic status where criminals have an impact on the local community. The impact is linked to the social context in the area rather than a wish to take power and control the community.”

An “especially vulnerable area” is “characterized by social issues and a criminal presence which has led to a widespread disinclination to participate in the judicial process and difficulties for the police to fulfil their mission. The situation is considered acute”.

In especially vulnerable areas religious extremism is often prevalent (terror expert Magnus Ranstorp has told The Local that these are often hotspots for recruitment to militant groups). They are also areas where police regularly have to adapt their methods to the volatile situation and residents often do not report crimes, either out of fear of reprisals or because they think it will not lead to anything.

A “risk area” lies somewhere between the two.

Especially vulnerable areas, according to the police's 2017 report:

Vivalla, Örebro
Gottsunda, Uppsala
Alby, Botkyrka
Fittja, Botkyrka
Hallunda/Norsborg, Botkyrka
Husby, Stockholm
Rinkeby/Tensta, Stockholm
Ronna/Geneta/Lina, Södertälje
Araby, Växjö
Karlslund, Landskrona
Nydala/Hermodsdal/Lindängen, Malmö
Rosengård south of Amiralsgatan, Malmö
Southern Sofielund (Seved), Malmö
Bergsjön, Gothenburg
Biskopsgården, Gothenburg
Gårdsten, Gothenburg
Hammarkullen, Gothenburg
Hjällbo, Gothenburg
Lövgärdet, Gothenburg
Tynnered/Grevgården/Opaltorget, Västra Frölunda
Hässleholmen/Hulta, Borås
Norrby, Borås
Skäggetorp, Linköping

Risk areas

Tjärna Ängar, Borlänge
Oxhagen/Varberga, Örebro
Tureberg, Sollentuna
Dalhem/Drottninghög/Fredriksberg, Helsingborg
Söder, Helsingborg
Holma/Kroksbäck/Bellevuegården, Malmö

Vulnerable areas

Bäckby, Västerås
Brandbergen, Haninge
Jordbro, Haninge
Skogås, Huddinge
Sångvägen, Järfälla
Termovägen, Järfälla
Edsberg, Sollentuna
Bredäng, Stockholm
Hagsätra/Rågsved, Stockholm
Hässelby/Vällingby, Stockholm
Vårberg, Stockholm
Älvsjö/Solberga, Stockholm
Östberga, Stockholm
Rissne/Hallonbergen, Sundbyberg
Fornhöjden, Södertälje
Hovsjö, Södertälje
Finnsta, Upplands Bro
Smedby, Upplands Väsby
Charlottesborg, Kristianstad
Gamlegården, Kristianstad
Hisings Backa, Gothenburg
Rannebergen, Gothenburg
Andersberg, Halmstad
Kronogården/Lextorp, Trollhättan
Fröslunda, Eskilstuna
Lagersberg, Eskilstuna
Skiftinge, Eskilstuna
Råslätt, Jönköping
Hageby, Norrköping
Klockaretorpet, Norrköping
Navestad, Norrköping

2. Are they no-go zones?

Well, not really. This term caught on in international media after it was used by a columnist to label these areas, but police and emergency services have themselves repeatedly rejected it, arguing that these are areas with a higher police presence, if anything. That said, emergency services do often adapt their behaviour, for example by making sure that there is proper back-up, by entering the areas via alternative routes, or by reversing their vehicles into the areas in order to make sure they are able to leave quickly if needed. Emergency services have, for example, been exposed to threats, stone-throwing, or vandalism of their vehicles. But it's not black and white: often, nothing of note happens.

A fire chief in an area which covers some of northern Stockholm's most vulnerable suburbs, including Rinkeby and Tensta, told The Local earlier this year: “We don't have any no-go zones, absolutely not, the opposite in fact. We move around in all areas, with the same force, at the same speed. But sometimes we get indications, or see, that something is not right and then we take precautions.”

3. Why has the number of vulnerable areas increased?

In the police's report from December 2015 the number of vulnerable areas was 53; in the 2017 report the number had increased to 61, with the number of especially vulnerable areas increasing from 15 to 23. Partly, it's because the situation has indeed deteriorated in some of these areas. But the main reason, according to the police themselves, has to do with research: the police have stepped up their work, and data collection, in these areas in recent years, and consequently know more about the situation.

“Primarily it's to do with the police getting better at analyzing and identifying these areas,” criminology expert Manne Gerell of Malmö University, whose research makes up part of the report, explained to The Local.

https://www.thelocal.se/20170621/no-go-zones-what-you-need-to-know-about-swedens-vulnerable-aeas

 

[bver_hunter]

I guess the migrants are doing what the Germans have done at the British hotspots in places like Majorca in Spain. Wonder why this was not brought up by the alt right wing:

'SCUM' Majorca mayor fed up of German neo-Nazi tourists taking over British hot-spots in places like Spain. THE new mayor of a Spanish island popular with British stag parties has launched an all-out assault on German tourists as he branded the neo-Nazis "scum".Antoni Noguera, who this month became the mayor of the Majorcan capital of Palma, said a new generation of violent neo-Nazis and other aggressive beer-bellied Germans have made his city a war zone for other visitors and locals.

The disgusting gangs display tattoos of the Nazi swastika – and image banned in Germany since the fall of Hitler.

Recent incidents involving German tourists, mostly centred around the tourist resort of El Arenal on the south-west of the island, have for once edged stories about drunk British antics in the Majorcan town of Magaluf out of the news.
Mr Noguera, said: "The scum sent to us are not pleasant. I cannot imagine that Palma residents would do something like this on the streets of Berlin."

He begged German holiday companies to stop sending "trash tourism" to the island.

Locals are at the end of their tether after a series of explosive confrontations between far-right Germans and other holidaymakers.
Last week, two groups of German men squared up to each other on El Arenal beach and began brawling in front of sunbathers seeking peace.

One man was seriously beaten up and could hardly walk as he stumbled around with a bloody gash on his face.

In another incident, a huge group of neo-Nazis, complete with swastika tattoos on their shaved heads, chanted racist slogans while waving Nazi flags and shouting "Auslander Raus" - foreigners out - forcing singer Mia Julia to halt her nightclub performance.
Many openly display their Nazi sympathies at infamous German pubs on the island, such as "Ballerman" and "Bierkoenig".

Two women also claimed they were sexually assaulted by neo-Nazis, with police now looking for witnesses.

The mayor is now seeking urgent talks with Germany's consul for Mallorca, Sabine Lammers, in an unusual move to seek help in curbing the German invasion.
In a desperate plea the mayor even asked a German language paper published on the island whether "the Germans are a civilised people".

He asked whether the majority of Germans were ashamed by the behaviour of a thuggish minority.
Mr Noguera said: "It can not be that people come here and do things they would never do in their home country. One has to emphasise: It is only a small minority of people.

"But they can really stay at home when it comes to me. I can well imagine that it is a disgrace for many Germans, how some of their countrymen behave in Majorca."
Opposition politicians however, have criticised Mr Noguera's drastic choice of words even though they also said they did not approve of tourism of this kind.

Majorca's tourism director Pilar Carbonell called as well for severe restrictions on alcohol and an end to all-inclusive holidays.

Local media report that police patrols have already been increased in the famous tourist resorts of El Arenal and Magaluf.

Yes, Merkel should also address this issue as Spain is a close ally and fellow EU nation.

https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/827320/Majorca-mayor-Palma-German-neo-Nazi-tourists-scum

 

[Frankfooter]

The Libtards on terb have been denying this for years, they had no go zones in Sweden propably before Germany.

Considering the murder rate is so much higher in the states, these 'no go' zones which are are really just low income areas, have nothing on American ghettos.

 

[bver_hunter]

This is something else that Merkel has to address:

Concerns are growing in Germany that alleged neo-Nazi groups may be seeking to influence the country’s iconic car industry by infiltrating workers’ groups and setting up their own alternative trade union.

Allegations in the German press in recent weeks have linked elected workers’ representatives at Mercedes-Benz’s main engine factory with a neo-Nazi terror cell responsible for the deaths of ten people, as well as a privately circulated email which contained a swastika and the message: “The true German greeting is ‘Heil Hitler!’”

So serious are the fears that Daimler, the company that makes Mercedes, has issued a statement saying it is following developments at the factory “with concern”.
Other members of the official works council at the factory this week released their own statement accusing the alleged extremists of threatening jobs and trying to turn the factory into a “showcase for far-Right extremism”.

The allegations concern a private organisation called Zentrum Automobil, which bills itself as “the alternative employee representation for employees in the automotive industy” and is seeking to set itself up as a rival to the main German car workers’ trade union, IG Metall.

The group already has four elected representatives on the officially recognised workers’ council at the main Mercedes engine factory in Untertürkheim. It is seeking to expand its influence in annual elections to the workers’ councils next month, when it plans to put forward candidates at other factories belonging to Daimler, BMW and Audi.

Zentrum Automobil has denied that it has any neo-Nazi or far-Right links.

Allegations made about the organisation in the German press in recent weeks include that its former leader, Andreas Brandmeier, sent an email to members with a swastika and the message “The true German greeting is ‘Heil Hitler!’” The organisation has denied this and says the email is a forgery.

The founder of Zentrum Automobil, Oliver Hilburger, is the former lead guitarist for an alleged neo-Nazi rock group called Noie Werte. The band’s concerts were known for Hitler salutes and songs about subjects such as Hitler’s deputy Rudolf Hess. Mr Hilburger has denied the band’s songs had neo-Nazi content.

“You call them Nazi songs, we see it differently,” he told the German press. He says he has left the band, although he took part in a recent reunion concert.
More serious are alleged links between Zentrum Automobil and the National Socialist Underground (NSU), a neo-Nazi terror cell that killed nine immigrants and a police officer in a series of attacks between 2000 and 2007.

Mr Hilburger and another of the group’s elected representatives on the Mercedes factory workers’ council had to testify before a parliamentary inquiry into the terror cell, but neither has ever been charged with any crime in connection with the terror group.

Mr Hilburger was asked why he had applied for permission to visit a suspected NSU supporter who was being held in police custody.

Concerns have also been raised over alleged links to the Alternative for Germany party (AfD), which became the first nationalist party to win seats in the German parliament since the sixties last year.

Mr Hilburger shared a stage at a public event with one of the AfD’s most controversial figures, Björn Höcke, last year. Mr Höcke provoked controversy last year when he called for a “180-degree turn” in Germany’s attitude to the Second World War.

Another speaker at the event predicted that soon Automobil Zentrum would be able to call strikes and “Everything will come to a standstill when the blue arm demands it. Blue is the official colour of the AfD, not Automobil Zentrum, whose logo is green.

Automobil Zentrum has made no secret of the fact it aspires to rival the officially recognised trade union, IG Metall, and bargain collectively on behalf of its members. Winning more seats on the workers’ councils is one route to this: under German law, businesses have to recognise workers’ councils and many have representation on company boards.

The other 41 members of the workers’ council at the Mercedes factory in Untertürkheim took a stand against Zentrum Automobil this week.

“It appears as if Untertuerkheim is to become a showcase for the far-Right,” they said in a statement. “The workers’ council of Untertuerkheim categorically opposes such an abuse of our mandate for far-Right purposes”.

The German Trade Union Confederation (DGB) has taken a more sanguine view. “The fact that some ideologues are trying to hijack the workers’ council elections with foolish slogans is not surprising,” its leader, Reiner Hoffmann said. “They have nothing behind them, their initiatives will burst like bubbles — because of sheer incompetence”.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/20...ng-influence-one-germanys-biggest-car-makers/

 

[JohnLarue]

Considering the murder rate is so much higher in the states, these 'no go' zones which are are really just low income areas, have nothing on American ghettos.

Do you have an idea what "no go" means?
It means non-elected however well co-ordinated immigrants ignore rule of law and apply their law/ justice in those zones

And you seem to think its better than US ghettos?
There is no co-ordination in the ghettos and they do not have a larger objective

 

[Frankfooter]

Do you have an idea what "no go" means?
It means non-elected however well co-ordinated immigrants ignore rule of law and apply their law/ justice in those zones

Its a myth.
https://www.buzzfeed.com/ishmaeldaro/no-go-zone-myth?utm_term=.na4yPkApx#.pwMk803z9

I'm not surprised you'd fall for it or that you'd not be smart enough to check it out before you started repeating CM claims.
Shame.

 

[shogun89]

Sh*thole zones

 

[shogun89]

Considering the murder rate is so much higher in the states, these 'no go' zones which are are really just low income areas, have nothing on American ghettos.

Except sharing similar demographics. People from sh*thole countries creating sh*thole zones in developed countries, steadily turning them into sh*thole countries as well.

 

[bver_hunter]

Wonder where the Mafia thugs originated from, when they created no go zones for decades??

 

[Darts]

Wonder where the Mafia thugs originated from, when they created no go zones for decades??

"Mafia" might have Islamic Arabic roots.

"Sicily was once an Islamic emirate, therefore mafia might have Arabic roots. Possible Arabic roots of the word include:

mahyas (مهياص) = aggressive boasting, bragging
marfud (مرفوض) = rejected
mu'afa = safety, protection[5]
Ma àfir = the name of an Arab tribe[6] that ruled Palermo[7]"

Arab Mafia in Germany.

http://www.financetwitter.com/2016/...mafia-families-control-berlin-underworld.html

http://www.dw.com/en/how-berlins-lebanese-mafia-clans-work/a-39679398

 

[bver_hunter]

"Mafia" might have Islamic Arabic roots.

"Sicily was once an Islamic emirate, therefore mafia might have Arabic roots. Possible Arabic roots of the word include:

mahyas (مهياص) = aggressive boasting, bragging
marfud (مرفوض) = rejected
mu'afa = safety, protection[5]
Ma àfir = the name of an Arab tribe[6] that ruled Palermo[7]"

Arab Mafia in Germany.

http://www.financetwitter.com/2016/...mafia-families-control-berlin-underworld.html

http://www.dw.com/en/how-berlins-lebanese-mafia-clans-work/a-39679398

This link does not mention anything about the "Islamic Emirate" as far as the immigrants from Sicily that emigrated to the USA:

"The Mafia in the United States emerged in impoverished Italian immigrant neighborhoods or ghettos in New York's East Harlem (or Italian Harlem), Lower East Side, and Brooklyn. It also emerged in other areas of the East Coast of the United States and several other major metropolitan areas (such as New Orleans[5] and Chicago) during the late 19th century and early 20th century, following waves of Italian immigration especially from Sicily and other regions of Southern Italy. It has its roots in the Sicilian Mafia but is a separate organization in the United States. Neapolitan, Calabrian, and other Italian criminal groups in the U.S., as well as independent Italian-American criminals, eventually merged with Sicilian Mafiosi to create the modern pan-Italian Mafia in North America. Today, the American Mafia cooperates in various criminal activities with Italian organized crime groups, such as the Sicilian Mafia, the Camorra of Naples, and 'Ndrangheta of Calabria. The most important unit of the American Mafia is that of a "family," as the various criminal organizations that make up the Mafia are known. Despite the name of "family" to describe the various units, they are not familial groupings.[6]"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Mafia

Neither does this link regarding the Mafia in Germany:

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-42618825

"Police in Italy and Germany have made 169 arrests in an anti-mafia swoop, Italian police say.
Assets worth €50m (£44.06m; $59.79m) were seized in the operation targeting the 'Ndrangheta organised crime group.
As part of the group's activities, German restaurants were forced to buy wine, pizza dough and pastries made in southern Italy, police say.
Those arrested include the president of Crotone province, Nicodemo Parrilla, in Italy's Calabria region.
The investigation focused on the Farao-Marincola gang, one of the strongest in Calabria, Italian news agency Ansa reports, quoting police.
In Germany, arrests were made in the Hessen and Baden-Württemberg regions.
The 'Ndrangheta network is based in southern Italy but has expanded its reach into the rest of Europe, the BBC's James Reynolds reports from Rome.
The network had been planning to expand this operation into Switzerland.
Nicola Grattari, the Italian prosecutor in charge of the investigation, described the arrests as the most important step taken against the 'Ndrangehta in the last two decades."

 

[bver_hunter]

Finally and good for Germany, Merkel is set for a fourth term, after the second largest party the SPD (Social Democrats) agreed to form a coalition, in order to now have the majority of seats in the German Parliament. The third largest racist anti-immigrant AfD is now set to become the official opposition with just 12.5% of the votes.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-43276732

The Germans are now relieved as stability returns after a period of uncertainty.