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Because more than 90% of the most at risk age group are vaccinated?

That means unvaccinated people are getting sick at a much higher rate than the vaccinated.

p.s. Some half-assed blog having the word science in its name still means it is a half assed blog.
 
That efficacy is a function of the vaccination rate, as the vaccination rate increases the apparent efficacy will drop because there is a high vaccination rate limiting the damage of C19.

If you are unvaxxed and the population is 90% vaxxed the potential damage is much lower vs being unvaxxed and the population is say 70% vaxxed.

In Israel the high vaccination rate is greatly benefitting the unvaccinated and that is why the apparent efficacy number looks unimpressive but if you really understood what that number meant; it is fucking impressive.
 
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basketcase said:
Because more than 90% of the most at risk age group are vaccinated?

That means unvaccinated people are getting sick at a much higher rate than the vaccinated.

p.s. Some half-assed blog having the word science in its name still means it is a half assed blog.
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That blog isn't half-assed, did you read it?
It is actually making a good argument that confounding is giving misleading headline results about vaccination.
It's been a subject of quite a bit of discussion on epi Twitter.
Most people think it doesn't explain everything we're seeing in Israel, but that it does imply the narrative that the vaccines are failing against Delta or massively losing efficacy with time isn't really what the data are showing.
 
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Valcazar said:
That blog isn't half-assed, did you read it?
It is actually making a good argument that confounding is giving misleading headline results about vaccination.
It's been a subject of quite a bit of discussion on epi Twitter.
Most people think it doesn't explain everything we're seeing in Israel, but that it does imply the narrative that the vaccines are failing against Delta or massively losing efficacy with time isn't really what the data are showing.
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He commonly doesn't read what he posts on........It's in his make up.

Israel and Sweden are two countries that are worth following in their respective approaches.

Interpretation is the key.
 
The Oracle said:
How's those workouts at GoodLife going?

There's no one in there right now. Good chance for you to get one in and get out virus unscathed and all.
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I'm in the gym at 6 am every morning except Sunday and between Goodlife and my other independent gym it's working out pretty good. People keep their distance and for the most part are respectful. Some wear masks, some don't which do get told to wear their mask in areas where masks are a must. Thank you for your concern in regards to my workouts.
 
The Oracle said:
www.covid-datascience.com

Israeli data: How can efficacy vs. severe disease be strong when 60% of hospitalized are vaccinated?

A surge involving the rapidly-transmitting Delta variant in heavily vaccinated countries has led to much hand-wringing that the vaccines are not effective against Delta, or vaccine effectivenss wanes after 4-6 months. This has fueled anti-vaccine sentiment suggesting the vaccines are not...
www.covid-datascience.com www.covid-datascience.com

This is well thought out and worth the read.
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Israel will not wander for forty years cursed with this plague while married to Pfizer, but the wandering still has a long way to go yet. The pandemic is global, no nation escapes it and is safe until it is no longer pathological active anywhere.
 
The Oracle said:
Israel and Sweden are two countries that are worth following in their respective approaches.
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Both countries are very socialized societies as opposed to your bastion of personal freedom and capitalism, the US, where the mantra is every man for himself.
 
Valcazar said:
That blog isn't half-assed, did you read it?
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Yes. That's why I made my determination.

All of the articles are written by the one guy who is a statistician, not someone with a medical background. There may be merit to some of the topics but those topics are clearly chosen with the intent of portraying a certain perspective. I don't have an issue with that as every source does the same thing but it does mean I look at it with a critical eye.
 
The Oracle said:
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Israel and Sweden are two countries that are worth following in their respective approaches.
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Both heavily based on vaccination.

p.s. Israel has half the death rate of Sweden, similar to that in Canada. You may have also missed that Sweden quickly realized their initial plan wasn't working and made changes.


p.p.s. Don't you want to discuss the Israeli numbers once we identified that the high vaccination rate among the elderly ?
 
basketcase said:
Yes. That's why I made my determination.

All of the articles are written by the one guy who is a statistician, not someone with a medical background. There may be merit to some of the topics but those topics are clearly chosen with the intent of portraying a certain perspective. I don't have an issue with that as every source does the same thing but it does mean I look at it with a critical eye.
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And your criticism of it is what, then?
A professional statistician commenting on the stats is half-assed why?
 
basketcase said:
Because self selected stats aren't medical evidence.
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Ya. I re-suggest you read it. What stats in there are self-selected? Death rates by age? What other stats would you suggest be included?

I too found the analysis interesting and reassuring.
 
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Ya. I re-suggest you read it. What stats in there are self-selected? ...
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The author of the blog describes it as " Finding the signal in the noise of Covid-19 " which by definition means he is selecting what topic to cover, regardless of his intent. The fact that he's tried to set this up as a journal with only one contributor sets off alarm bells for me.
 
Not liking blogs is a valid criteria, even if it is one I find odd.

Rako3 said:
I too found the analysis interesting and reassuring.
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Same.
He is taking the actual Israeli health data and showing that the use of it to drum up "THE VACCINES ARE FAILING!" is not good because the stats don't support that argument.
It is to Oracle's credit - given his suspicions of the vaccine's effectiveness in general - that he has taken a counter argument to the common Israel narrative into consideration.
 
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