McGuinty defends 8.5% pay hike for OPP? WTF?

[Brotherman]

This guy isn't getting elected again, for sure.


TORONTO—Premier Dalton McGuinty is defending an 8.5 per cent wage hike planned for the Ontario Provincial Police in 2014.

The Liberals have been having a tough time getting labour arbitrators to agree to freeze public sector wages for two years because the government never passed enabling legislation.

The 6,100 OPP officers received a five per cent wage hike this year in advance of the two-year wage freeze.

And because of a clause in their contract guaranteeing they will be the highest paid cops in Ontario, they will get 8.5 per cent in 2014.

McGuinty considers that a victory, saying he’s proud the officers agreed to the freeze, which is “what the government has been looking for.”

The premier says the OPP need to remain competitive with other police services, which is why they’ll get funding to cover the 8.5 per cent pay hike in 2014.

Toronto’s Police Services Board has complained wage hikes and benefits handed to the OPP has weakened municipalities’ bargaining position with police.



http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/politics/article/992584--mcguinty-defends-8-5-pay-hike-for-opp

 

[moviefan]

Christina Blizzard in the Toronto Sun says the promised 'wage freeze' was a sham:

http://www.torontosun.com/2011/05/17/blizzard-liberals-pay-hike-con-job

 

[oldjones]

So we're supposed to cheer Bob 'n' Doug for giving Toronto Police 11.5% raises, but turf McG out because he gave the OPP 8.5%? Logic please.

 

[rld]

So we're supposed to cheer Bob 'n' Doug for giving Toronto Police 11.5% raises, but turf McG out because he gave the OPP 8.5%? Logic please.

Happy to help. That 8.5% is for one year. If you compare the same four years TO will get a 11.5% raise and OPP will get 14% raise for the same period.

And while one can debate the value of the raise to TO on many levels, there is something patently absurd about a contract that guaruntees the OPP will be the highest paid cops in Ontario. That is simply an irrational invitation to a inflationary spiral.

http://www.thestar.com/news/article/989078--police-chair-accuses-province-of-spiking-police-costs

 

[OnlySex]

So we're supposed to cheer Bob 'n' Doug for giving Toronto Police 11.5% raises, but turf McG out because he gave the OPP 8.5%? Logic please.

I think the goal for Sun news lately is to make the FOX news network seem reputable next to them. Any right wing self analysis is strictly forbidden !

I'm not familiar with the actual contracts but the cost of living outside GTA is much less as are the daily challenges faced. Pay equity is a short sighted and stupid concession if it was made.

 

[blackrock13]

So we're supposed to cheer Bob 'n' Doug for giving Toronto Police 11.5% raises, but turf McG out because he gave the OPP 8.5%? Logic please.

It's the way he's doing it that has everyone upset. They're not the same pay schemes. Even you can see that.

 

[oldjones]

Happy to help. That 8.5% is for one year. If you compare the same four years TO will get a 11.5% raise and OPP will get 14% raise for the same period.

And while one can debate the value of the raise to TO on many levels, there is something patently absurd about a contract that guaruntees the OPP will be the highest paid cops in Ontario. That is simply an irrational invitation to a inflationary spiral.

http://www.thestar.com/news/article/989078--police-chair-accuses-province-of-spiking-police-costs

Silly me for commenting on the OP's title. Thanks for setting out the comparison in Macintoshes to Northern Spies fashion. So if one imagines there's a rational, external standard for appropriate police pay one could then place the OPP and TPS on their proper rungs and everyone would be happy. But the boys who get the pay and at least some of those giving it, don't seem to agree either on who gets the top rung, nor on how far apart the rungs should be.

Guess we should leave it up to the 'free market' of negociating contracts and salaries. Or is that what the objections are about? That we shouldn't?

Just how much less are the OPP worth? And why don't we get them to police TO and save money?

 

[rld]

Silly me for commenting on the OP's title. Thanks for setting out the comparison in Macintoshes to Northern Spies fashion. So if one imagines there's a rational, external standard for appropriate police pay one could then place the OPP and TPS on their proper rungs and everyone would be happy. But the boys who get the pay and at least some of those giving it, don't seem to agree either on who gets the top rung, nor on how far apart the rungs should be.

Guess we should leave it up to the 'free market' of negociating contracts and salaries. Or is that what the objections are about? That we shouldn't?

Just how much less are the OPP worth? And why don't we get them to police TO and save money?

Hmmmm....did you check the details.

The OPP contract says they must be the highest paid police in Ontario. So if they policed TO it would cost money then wouldn't it.

And even after this raise if I remember right the TO police for a short time will be making about .6% more than OPP.

But what do you think the cost of living for an OPP officer is say, Lindsay is, compared to TO?

Then you would have to pay the new pension increase and increase in retention bonus to the OPP (when there has not been a retention problem...)

Take a few minutes and do the math.

 

[moviefan]

I think the goal for Sun news lately is to make the FOX news network seem reputable next to them. Any right wing self analysis is strictly forbidden!

Nonsense. David Akin and others have criticized Harper, and Queen's Park columnist Christina Blizzard is often quite critical of Tory Leader Tim Hudak, such as in this column:

http://www.ottawasun.com/comment/columnists/christina_blizzard/2011/03/30/17816506.html

Ezra Levant has also criticized the federal Tories for the money spent on the CBC, and he criticized Hudak for backtracking on his pledge to scrap the Ontario Human Rights Commission.

 

[moviefan]

Meanwhile, over at eHealth, the bonuses are really piling up:

http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/...-get-bonus-raise-despite-call-for-wage-freeze

The best reaction piece so far, in my view, came from Kelly McParland at the National Post:

http://fullcomment.nationalpost.com...s-go-for-broke-either-they-go-or-youre-broke/

 

[train]

Happy to help. That 8.5% is for one year. If you compare the same four years TO will get a 11.5% raise and OPP will get 14% raise for the same period.

And while one can debate the value of the raise to TO on many levels, there is something patently absurd about a contract that guaruntees the OPP will be the highest paid cops in Ontario. That is simply an irrational invitation to a inflationary spiral.

http://www.thestar.com/news/article/989078--police-chair-accuses-province-of-spiking-police-costs

Don't confuse oldjones with the facts when he wants to rant against the Fords. Plus I don't recall Ford getting a free pass on the municipal cop raise from terbites so why should McShifty?

Heard on the radio that McSquint gave e-Health employees an 11% bonus. If true it does sort of indicate that McSquint just doesn't get it? Bonus for what? The system still doesn't work does it?

 

[moviefan]

Here are some of the latest stories on the eHealth bonuses:

http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/...ction-province-blasts-ehealth-for-raises?bn=1

http://www.torontosun.com/2011/05/18/provinces-pay-freeze-cant-stand-the-heat

And regardless of what you anti-Sun types think, I like this column by the Sun's Christina Blizzard:

http://www.torontosun.com/2011/05/18/blizzard-yikes-dalton-mcguinty-promises-more

 

[blackrock13]

Here are some of the latest stories on the eHealth bonuses:

http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/...ction-province-blasts-ehealth-for-raises?bn=1

http://www.torontosun.com/2011/05/18/provinces-pay-freeze-cant-stand-the-heat

And regardless of what you anti-Sun types think, I like this column by the Sun's Christina Blizzard:

http://www.torontosun.com/2011/05/18/blizzard-yikes-dalton-mcguinty-promises-more

I guess he can read the tea leaves and is making sure his buddy's get their cut, before he gets cut.

 

[red]

Hmmmm....did you check the details.

The OPP contract says they must be the highest paid police in Ontario. .

what an asinine part of the agreement. who the fuck negotiated that? mr magoo?

 

[great bear]

what an asinine part of the agreement. who the fuck negotiated that? mr magoo?

Even worse is the fact the OPP are primarily a highway patrol and not a municipal police force. The OPP do not have to deal with all the crap a Metro Police Force deals with on a daily basis. The OPP should be at the bottom of the pay scale and not the top. GB

 

[WoodPeckr]

Time to break them tough privileged Police unions eh?....:eyebrows:

 

[Mikehorn]

Sadly, McGuinty will be re-elected due to lack of a clear alternative.

1. I would bet most people don't even know who Tim Hudak is.
2. Have you SEEN Tim Hudak?

 

[blackrock13]

apparently the McGiny squad listens, sort of;


http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news...handed-out-during-wage-freeze/article2030221/


e Health Ontario is rescinding bonuses and merit pay for hundreds of bureaucrats handed out despite a promised two-year wage freeze for public sector workers.

eHealth CEO Greg Reed says he hopes the reversal will show the agency's first priority is creating the electronic health care system the province needs.

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Mr. Reed says the bonuses were meant to reward the progress made in turning around the scandal-plagued agency, which came under fire in 2009 for spending $1-billion trying to develop electronic health records with little to show for it.

Employees will no longer receive merit increases and performance-linked incentives this year, and Mr. Reed has also turned down his bonus.

The move comes after opposition parties demanded the Liberal government put a stop to the hikes, saying it's unfair to freeze pay for front-line health care workers like nurses while giving eHealth bureaucrats big raises.

The electronic health records agency was planning to give staff 1.9 per cent merit raises and bonuses of 7.8 per cent.