I think Matvichuk would have been a good pickup for the Buds' "D". Resigning a useless turd like Antropov I can't figure out?
Mccabe and Antropov Signings!
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Matvichuk's a *decent* defenseman, but let's not go overboard. He'd be fourth on the depth chart for the Leafs, after Leetch, McCabe, and Klee, although not far behind. You can bet he earned more than the 2.2 mil he got last year, though. The Leafs should be looking to spend that dough on another forward.
Antropov is far from useless. He'd make every team in the league - a 24 year-old with 263 games in the NHL already. His floating is at times quite bad, and he takes far too many dumb penalties, but you'd hope on a veteran-laden team like the Leafs, he could learn his lesson. Again, this could be his last decent shot to play on anything above the fourth line. Lots of players at his age and experience blossom at about this time and not before.
Antropov is far from useless. He'd make every team in the league - a 24 year-old with 263 games in the NHL already. His floating is at times quite bad, and he takes far too many dumb penalties, but you'd hope on a veteran-laden team like the Leafs, he could learn his lesson. Again, this could be his last decent shot to play on anything above the fourth line. Lots of players at his age and experience blossom at about this time and not before.
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I think I agree(?) with Ranger to some extent.
Antropov is a young guy with a lot of expereince for his age. Aside from his injuries, his biggest problem has been Quinn has fiqured out what role he should play and stayed with him. I don't thin it is a coincidence he played his best hockey when on the wing with Poni and Joe N.
Kaberle does have a terrific upside, the problem is he is basically redundant with Leetch taking the PP minutes etc. Kaberle is no longer in position to rack up the points so his defense becomes more of the focus. As such, I think they should move him for a part they need- tougher d-man or productive forward.
As for McCabe, there have been several signings that indicate the Leafs overpaid (Brewer, Hannan, Johnson, Aucoin). Lets hope the 2003-04 player shows up, not the guy from either the Philly series or from 2002-03. There are players who have stepped up and earned their salaries increases and other who have whithered from the pressure of being overpaid.
I think I agree(?) with Ranger to some extent.
Antropov is a young guy with a lot of expereince for his age. Aside from his injuries, his biggest problem has been Quinn has fiqured out what role he should play and stayed with him. I don't thin it is a coincidence he played his best hockey when on the wing with Poni and Joe N.
Kaberle does have a terrific upside, the problem is he is basically redundant with Leetch taking the PP minutes etc. Kaberle is no longer in position to rack up the points so his defense becomes more of the focus. As such, I think they should move him for a part they need- tougher d-man or productive forward.
As for McCabe, there have been several signings that indicate the Leafs overpaid (Brewer, Hannan, Johnson, Aucoin). Lets hope the 2003-04 player shows up, not the guy from either the Philly series or from 2002-03. There are players who have stepped up and earned their salaries increases and other who have whithered from the pressure of being overpaid.
Aucoin
Agreed Aucoin is the only 'All-Star.' However, Johnson, Brewer and Hannan will all play in the World Cup. I think that puts them at the elite level, especially since two were selected ahead of McCabe to play for this country?
Each were in the same boat as McCabe with respect to their contract, that being RFA. Very limited leverage especially in the current labour climate. Surely you are suggesting McCabe is worth nearly twice what these guys make?
Finally, it is true Aucoin is to be paid $4.25M this season which is only slightly less than McCabe's salary for the upcoming season. The difference is considerably greater when the following season is factored in as McCabe gets additional $1M in year two of the contract.
Agreed Aucoin is the only 'All-Star.' However, Johnson, Brewer and Hannan will all play in the World Cup. I think that puts them at the elite level, especially since two were selected ahead of McCabe to play for this country?
Each were in the same boat as McCabe with respect to their contract, that being RFA. Very limited leverage especially in the current labour climate. Surely you are suggesting McCabe is worth nearly twice what these guys make?
Finally, it is true Aucoin is to be paid $4.25M this season which is only slightly less than McCabe's salary for the upcoming season. The difference is considerably greater when the following season is factored in as McCabe gets additional $1M in year two of the contract.
Actually, I meant *McCabe* was the only All-Star. At least, as of last season.
For what McCabe has accomplished, and at his level of experience, he's making about what he should, relative to those guys, yes. FWIW, I have heard "insiders" say that McCabe himself *proactively declined* to play for Team Canada.
For what McCabe has accomplished, and at his level of experience, he's making about what he should, relative to those guys, yes. FWIW, I have heard "insiders" say that McCabe himself *proactively declined* to play for Team Canada.
i like McCabe alot, but im just wondering why he would proactively decline then go on Leafs Lunch and tell WWW and Jeff Marek that he was heartbroken that he didnt get the call from 99? Personally i think he should have gotten the call
he didn't decline... i heard his interview on mojo too, he extinguished that rumour and said he wished he'd gotten a call...
who would you remove?
you still need group (1) foote, neidermeyer, blake, jovanovski and pronger for experience and leadership
group (2) regeyr, redden, hannan and brewer need to be there to build experience for years ahead... they are alot younger than mccabe who should be at the level of group (1) , ie. his age cohort...
mccabe is probably better than brewer, but your comparing a 29yr old to a 25yr old... that is a big difference in pro hockey... brewer has 4 years to in hand to develop in to just the kind of world class defenseman that Canada will need in the future...
nonetheless, you still wouldn't want to upset the younger core group (2) because they need to develop and have the chance like group (1) did 4-8 years ago... so you'd have to pull someone out of the group (1) panel and put McCabe in--- who'd you pull?
to me this is the excellent defense core with a good balance of veterans and young prodigies, or perogies (j/k)
you still need group (1) foote, neidermeyer, blake, jovanovski and pronger for experience and leadership
group (2) regeyr, redden, hannan and brewer need to be there to build experience for years ahead... they are alot younger than mccabe who should be at the level of group (1) , ie. his age cohort...
mccabe is probably better than brewer, but your comparing a 29yr old to a 25yr old... that is a big difference in pro hockey... brewer has 4 years to in hand to develop in to just the kind of world class defenseman that Canada will need in the future...
nonetheless, you still wouldn't want to upset the younger core group (2) because they need to develop and have the chance like group (1) did 4-8 years ago... so you'd have to pull someone out of the group (1) panel and put McCabe in--- who'd you pull?
to me this is the excellent defense core with a good balance of veterans and young prodigies, or perogies (j/k)
No real arguments here - just as long as you're conceding that McCabe, by sheer talent, probably should displace some of those younger guys. If you're building for the future, I have no arguments.21pro said:
And Kat, Aucoin is slammed in many circles for poor defensive play. He's out there because he's a similar player to McCabe - very good offense without sacrificing too much defense. McCabe is a much more physical player, though.
$6 million over two years for Kaberle? Gimme a break JFJ !
I don't get it ? This team has won a grand total one playoff series in the last two years, yet management seems content on bringing back the exact same team but at a higher payroll ???
At least the senaturds got a new coach and brought in a new goalie and shoock things up a bit, realizing the status quo wasn't working. What do the Leafs do? bring back the same roster as last year! This team will never win a Stanley Cup in my lifetime and thats just not fair !
I don't get it ? This team has won a grand total one playoff series in the last two years, yet management seems content on bringing back the exact same team but at a higher payroll ???
At least the senaturds got a new coach and brought in a new goalie and shoock things up a bit, realizing the status quo wasn't working. What do the Leafs do? bring back the same roster as last year! This team will never win a Stanley Cup in my lifetime and thats just not fair !
