Max Hardcore gets 46 months for obscenity

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smylee52 said:
http://www.maxhardcore.com/

Go to his website and you see how truly fucked he is now . If I was him I'd be puking right about know .

...no word a lie...I was online last night looking at it and talking with my FWB about it when they started to take it down...some things would work, but other links would take you to the OJ site...over the course of like 10 minutes various links would work...then no longer work...

Couldn't happen to a better guy...
 

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oagre said:
Geeezus!! Is the US still doing these ridiculous trials
In case anyone is interested. Under the Criminal Code of Canada:

§ 163. (1) Every one commits an offense who

(a) makes, prints, publishes, distributes, circulates, or has in his
possession for the purpose of publication, distribution or circulation any obscene written matter, picture, model, phonograph record or other thing whatever; or

(b) makes, prints, publishes, distributes, sells or has in his possession for the purposes of publication, distribution or circulation a crime comic.
Every one commits an offense who knowingly, without lawful justification or excuse,

(a) sells, exposes to public view or has in his possession for such a purpose any obscene written matter, picture, model, phonograph record or other thing whatever;

(b) publicly exhibits a disgusting object or an indecent show;

(c) offers to sell, advertises or publishes an advertisement of, or has for sale or disposal, any means, instructions, medicine, drug or article intended or represented as a method of causing abortion or miscarriage; or

(d) advertises or publishes an advertisement of any means, instructions, medicine, drug or article intended or represented as a method for restoring sexual virility or curing venereal diseases or diseases of the generative organs.

(3) No person shall be convicted of an offense under this section if the public good was served by the acts that are alleged to constitute the offense and if the acts alleged did not extend beyond what served the public good.

(4) For the purposes of this section, it is a question of law whether an act served the public good and whether there is evidence that the act alleged went beyond what served the public good, but it is a question of fact whether the acts did or did not extend beyond what served the public good.

(5) For the purposes of this section, the motives of an accused are irrelevant.
 

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Obscenity is defined by the "community standards" test. Given what is freely available on the Web these days, I would think that the only areas that would "fail" that test would be videos that showed minors, animals or significant bodily damage or clearly non-consensual sex.

Large parts of the above section are clearly well out of date and not currently enforced.
 

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oagre said:
Obscenity is defined by the "community standards" test. Given what is freely available on the Web these days, I would think that the only areas that would "fail" that test would be videos that showed minors, animals or significant bodily damage or clearly non-consensual sex.

Large parts of the above section are clearly well out of date and not currently enforced.
No, U.S. courts have ruled that although a loose standard, if you send materials (not so much internet) to a community you are bound by their standards.

Indeed I'm a strong supporter of the First Amendment (although sometimes I'm offended by those who take shelter under it). However if anything is over the line into obscene it really must be the 'MaxHardCore" video's/DVD's.
 

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I watched some Mia Sweet clips once - unaware that they were segments of a Max shoot (or even what that would mean). I went hunting for more clips, and found one where he hurts her enough that she just snaps and whacks him hard across the face. It wasn't faked... she's not that good an actress.

The bastard choked her unconscious in the next scene and put a title over it making light of the whole thing.

I don't want to see even the most disgusting porn shut down for 'community standards' - but I want to see Max cut and dumped in shark infested waters.
 

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rubmeister100 said:
Thanks, I didn't notice it.
From reading between the lines, that figure seemingly was far from being his total income since the article mentions appearances at a hefty fee, etc. . . and I'm sure he was being paid by his corporation for his work as a corporate officer as well.
 

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I really don't like anything Max has ever done... I'm not saying he should go to jail though, as I hate censorship more than anything. I've seen a couple of his movies - one time my buddies and I rented a couple of them when we were back in highschool. We thought them humorous more than disgusting (they are just a little more twisted than disgusting, I would say anyways). Who can take the things seriously when his "young" talents look to be over 30?!... And even more laughable to us at the time was the size of his endowment!! How that guy ever got into porn pretty much just blows my mind to begin with...
 

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INDN_LOVER said:
Yes, Max came across like a dirtbag but I honestly don't think his stuff was any worse than [sexandsubmission or fuckedandbound].
The very problem with defining obscenity is that to paraphrase Justice White "you know it when you see it, but describing what it is, is something else altogether." Therefore you may well legitimately disagree with what I'm about to say.

That said, if you actually watch any of these DVD's or videos there was an edge to "Max" that just isnt' there with the others. Much of his work looked very, very close to being non-consensual, however, even more than that as other posters have said, there was a disdain and dislike towards women, and perhaps even more than that, that came through in his videos, that to me at least, just isn't there in the other two you mention.
 

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Aardvark154 said:
The very problem with defining obscenity is that to paraphrase Justice White "you know it when you see it, but describing what it is, is something else altogether." Therefore you may well legitimately disagree with what I'm about to say.

That said, if you actually watch any of these DVD's or videos there was an edge to "Max" that just isnt' there with the others. Much of his work looked very, very close to being non-consensual, however, even more than that as other posters have said, there was a disdain and dislike towards women, and perhaps even more than that, that came through in his videos, that to me at least, just isn't there in the other two you mention.
Not disdain, he hates women, and fortunately I haven't seen anything he has done in recent years. I remember years ago reading an interview where the interviewer asked him if he hated women. Max answered, not all of them just the fucking bitches. One got the impression that meant all women. He's garbage.
 

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INDN_LOVER said:
Sidestepping any legal arguments, the thing to remember with sex is that one person's CEILING (WRT activities) is another person's FLOOR.

As long as the sex is consensual I don't see anything wrong with it.

Yes, Max came across like a dirtbag but I honestly don't think his stuff was any worse than THIS:

http://www.sexandsubmission.com/site/shoots.jsp?c=1

http://www.fuckedandbound.com/bondage-sex
i am amazed at how many traditional porn stars are doing these kinds of vids now. ginger lynn was on that site. guess its more popular than i thought.
 

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Aardvark154 said:
The very problem with defining obscenity is that to paraphrase Justice White "you know it when you see it, but describing what it is, is something else altogether." Therefore you may well legitimately disagree with what I'm about to say.

That said, if you actually watch any of these DVD's or videos there was an edge to "Max" that just isnt' there with the others. Much of his work looked very, very close to being non-consensual, however, even more than that as other posters have said, there was a disdain and dislike towards women, and perhaps even more than that, that came through in his videos, that to me at least, just isn't there in the other two you mention.
I absolutely respect your opinion:

There's definitely an edge to MAX's videos, and I'm sure many girls hated working with him. That said, there are some girls who appeared as CO-STARS in his movies. Catalina and Layla did numerous titles with him. It's hard to know where the "acting" ended, and the "real" Max Hardcore started.

To be honest I downloaded a few of the SexandSubmission scenes from Pirate Bay and was bored fucking stiff... and not in a good way. I thought they were kind of tedious, rather than "hot" "shocking" or "disgusting"...

babyfinsta said:
i am amazed at how many traditional porn stars are doing these kinds of vids now. ginger lynn was on that site. guess its more popular than i thought.
The one thing I've learned as an MP client is that you have NO IDEA what people are into. Just coz you or I think something is kinky doesn't mean everyone else thinks the same way. I know that's kind of obvious, but it can still be surprising when you experience it first hand. Undoubtedly those girls are being paid to be in those films, but if they didn't WANT to be there, they could stick with more mainstream material.
 

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Suddenly I'm feeling all normal. I've never heard of the fucking guy.
 

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I would say...

INDN_LOVER said:
Sidestepping any legal arguments, the thing to remember with sex is that one person's CEILING (WRT activities) is another person's FLOOR.

As long as the sex is consensual I don't see anything wrong with it.

Yes, Max came across like a dirtbag but I honestly don't think his stuff was any worse than THIS:

http://www.sexandsubmission.com/site/shoots.jsp?c=1

http://www.fuckedandbound.com/bondage-sex

the line between submission and humiliation is, while thin, not subtle.

I am not into the BSDM scene at all, and don't understand it. That said, I do have a bit of a dom streak, and have had sexual partners who didn't mine seeing it.

It is one thing to spank someone, have them call you "Daddy", holding their wrists down (with their consent...there is a difference between keeping someone from moving and keeping them from being able to stop you or exercise their free will) or some oral servitude / cock worship and purposely trying to hurt and / or humiliate a person...essentially trying to go as far as you can to degrade the person before they object, versus going as far as you can to a persons limits because that is what THEY want.

I've seen some Max hardcore stuff (not much). It was clear to be that in some scenes the actresses were NOT having fun...not as it "it hurt" (which would be a BDSM context...pushing their limits), but as in a "I cannot believe I am doing this" way. It struck me more than once that they were CLEARLY just trying to get through the script to collect their paycheck.

You can tell the difference between when someone is eager to do something....even if a bit afraid of the consequences (again...pushing their limits), and when someone is DREADING doing something, and are only doing it through "obligation". I know when I spank some of my big booty white gurl friends it can sting. That is the point. But, when they are shouting "spank me Daddy!!", well...obviously we are both enjoying it. I haven't seen (nor can I imagine) a woman saying "make me vomit with your cock!!"
 

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stinkynuts said:
Actually, I'm sure some women are into that too...

...but I doubt they required getting paid first, and are looking to be caught on video for posterity....
 

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That whole "interstate crime" thing is such bullshit. It's like if they can't nail you for anything else, they nail you for that (or mail fraud).

I'm not saying he did or didn't do anything wrong. It's just those are some weak ass charges.
 

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Keebler Elf said:
I'm not saying he did or didn't do anything wrong. It's just those are some weak ass charges.
If by "weak ass" you mean “not straight forward” or “I consider to be somehow unfair” I'll entirely give you that.

Otherwise needless to say they are strong charges - the U.S. Attorney's Officer put him away for 48 months plus fines and confiscations! In a similar way Al Capone was never convicted for the numerous crimes he committed other than Federal Income Tax Evasion but that was enough.
 
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