Massive Blunder by Trudeau

[fmahovalich]

This is Trudeaus response at one point yesterday to Harpers announcement while Trudeau was speaking in Quebec. Take it as you please.


"Canada is a country that respects people's rights," Trudeau said as he kicked off his Quebec component of the federal election campaign.

"And any time a government chooses to limit those rights, it has to be able to answer very direct and complete questions about why it's necessary, about how it will work, about what the clear plan is and Mr. Harper has done none of that.

"For us, it's a piece of electoral posturing."

 

[nottyboi]

You do realize we are in an election period right?

They said they will pass this law if they win. If they have a majority, nothing can stop them.

 

[buttercup]

If I were dictator of Canada, I'd encourage our home-grown wannabe terrorists to go abroad.

I'd make it illegal for them to come back.

 

[ogibowt]

The point being....TRUDEAU IS FINE WITH PEOPLE GOING TO FIGHT WITH ISIS. Most people should,have a problem with that.

i just went on you tube to surf...and i randomly watched George Bush bloopers.....and then i came on here and i started to read some of mahovalich,s posts...the similarities are frightening....lol....

 

[fmahovalich]

i just went on you tube to surf...and i randomly watched George Bush bloopers.....and then i came on here and i started to read some of mahovalich,s posts...the similarities are frightening....lol....

Lol...back on topic. Trudeau blundered.

 

[Musketeer]

If I were dictator of Canada, I'd encourage our home-grown wannabe terrorists to go abroad.

I'd make it illegal for them to come back.

Good point! I definitely agree with you. They should also be stripped of their Canadian citizenships and have their passports revoked.

 

[exbrower]

No sir. Humanitarian aid, employment, visiting relatives, etc... is fine. If proven, that you left the country to fight WITH ISIS, you will face charges. Fairly simple...and fair law in my view.

it is already illegal to leave the country and fight with ISIS. This proposal says it will be illegal to go to certain ares in certain countries (currently undefined).

 

[fmahovalich]

This is Trudeaus response at one point yesterday to Harpers announcement while Trudeau was speaking in Quebec. Take it as you please.


"Canada is a country that respects people's rights," Trudeau said as he kicked off his Quebec component of the federal election campaign.

"And any time a government chooses to limit those rights, it has to be able to answer very direct and complete questions about why it's necessary, about how it will work, about what the clear plan is and Mr. Harper has done none of that.

"For us, it's a piece of electoral posturing."

Good point! I definitely agree with you. They should also be stripped of their Canadian citizenships and have their passports revoked.

Excellent idea Musketeer...in line with the Harper philosophy.

 

[exbrower]

If this is such a good proposal why was it not included in Bill c. 51 which was only passed in June?

 

[exbrower]

Lol...back on topic. Trudeau blundered.

In short Trudeau didn't blunder. you lied in your initial post.

 

[GPIDEAL]

If this is such a good proposal why was it not included in Bill c. 51 which was only passed in June?

Maybe due to its redundancy, Harper is simply using it for political posturing during the campaign.

 

[GPIDEAL]

No no hidden agenda by Harper. He has come out and said it.....He will criminalize Canadians who travel to support terror.

What is hidden....and apparently unable to be found by the leftists...is Trudeaus true feelings, that being that he is fine with Canadians traveling to fight with ISIS, because Canadians have rights.

He didn't say exactly that Frank.

 

[fmahovalich]

I don't have time to go and cut and paste all the sources If you choose to believe or not..its up to you... You can find them easily yourself.

the philosophy is pretty simple.

 

[Stoo]

I also have mixed feels for keeping anyone committed to the ISIS ideas here on Canadian soil instead of letting them go to foreign soil where they can be easier targets for the allies.

That has always been my feeling... If some malcontent want to go join ISIS, let them. Odds are, they'll end up dead. The critical thing is not to let them back if they aren't killed. It's a one way ticket...

 

[GPIDEAL]

This is Trudeaus response at one point yesterday to Harpers announcement while Trudeau was speaking in Quebec. Take it as you please.


"Canada is a country that respects people's rights," Trudeau said as he kicked off his Quebec component of the federal election campaign.

"And any time a government chooses to limit those rights, it has to be able to answer very direct and complete questions about why it's necessary, about how it will work, about what the clear plan is and Mr. Harper has done none of that.

"For us, it's a piece of electoral posturing."

This is a good reply by Trudeau. He's warning against the erosion of rights. The Constitution gives us mobility rights. Harper is saying, "You are automatically a terrorist because you're visiting Syria, etc.". No due process. No mobility rights as guaranteed by the Constitution.

And you aren't worried about this being a PRECEDENT because he's a Conservative.

I'm all against ISIS and blasting them to smithereens, including Canadians who are brain-washed or sympathize with ISIS/ISIL and join their cause, but to deny travel to someone who is not on the terrorist watch list or suspected of being a terrorist based on other evidence, is an infringement of rights.

 

[GPIDEAL]

I don't have time to go and cut and paste all the sources If you choose to believe or not..its up to you... You can find them easily yourself.

the philosophy is pretty simple.

Before you smear an opponent to your idol, Steven Harper, you better take the time to get proper sources.

 

[fmahovalich]

This is a good reply by Trudeau. He's warning against the erosion of rights. The Constitution gives us mobility rights. Harper is saying, "You are automatically a terrorist because you're visiting Syria, etc.". No due process. No mobility rights as guaranteed by the Constitution.

And you aren't worried about this being a PRECEDENT because he's a Conservative.

I'm all against ISIS and blasting them to smithereens, including Canadians who are brain-washed or sympathize with ISIS/ISIL and join their cause, but to deny travel to someone who is not on the terrorist watch list or suspected of being a terrorist based on other evidence, is an infringement of rights.

Lets remember, a criminal case must be proven beyond a reasonable doubt. So s person who travel for terror reasons, would still have full protection of the law, and would be innocent until proven guilty. But like other criminal acts, this is excellent one to have in place...available for prosecution.

 

[GPIDEAL]

That has always been my feeling... If some malcontent want to go join ISIS, let them. Odds are, they'll end up dead. The critical thing is not to let them back if they aren't killed. It's a one way ticket...

If you have proof that they served with ISIS/ISIL, then don't let them back in. If you have proof that they are travelling abroad to fight with ISIS/ISIL, then restrict their travel and put them on the terrorist watch list. I've got no problem with them being in harm's way if they are fighting with the enemy and under attack by our armed forces or those of our allies. In fact, I have not problem warning Canadians who think about helping ISIS/ISIL that you will not be protected and will be considered military targets.

But to have no proof just because they are travelling to Syria and have no family there, or aren't journalists or aid workers, I feel that's not good enough in our free and democratic society.

 

[GPIDEAL]

Lets remember, a criminal case must be proven beyond a reasonable doubt. So s person who travel for terror reasons, would still have full protection of the law, and would be innocent until proven guilty. But like other criminal acts, this is excellent one to have in place...available for prosecution.

They haven't committed a crime. There's no reason to detain them or set bail. This law goes beyond the Criminal Code.

You forgot that we have mobility rights under the Constitution.

 

[IM469]

They haven't committed a crime. There's no reason to detain them or set bail. This law goes beyond the Criminal Code.

You forgot that we have mobility rights under the Constitution.

I think the big 'M' is advocating a new 'Guilt by Innuendo' law. As shown by his repeated inability to back up his Trudeau quotes with anything remotely factual, Big 'M' would like to take a page from the successful prosecution of the Salem Witch trials .. guilty until proven innocent.