Man with knife on streetcar at Dundas and Grace, shot by police

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and i still think the cops did a good job. not the tasering after he was shot . but the shooting.... good job. threat immobilized. and done.
 
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doobious said:
Anyways, find that magnifying glass and those tweezers yet? Since your so interested in having a man pleasure you I thought I would start a fund so you can finally see that male SP you seem to want do much. Other members, please PM me if you would like to donate. Don't forget the magnifying glass and the tweezers, otherwise the male SP might think you're a woman (I guess the jury's still out on that one).

Dispute what I wrote about this topic or get back under that bridge, troll.
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wjats to dipute?

dudr had a knife. was asked to drop it. didnt. dead. perfectly done. now whats your problem with it? not thst i give a shit... but go ahead.


and good luck with thise pm's. im getting tjem telling mw to play witj the troll. and i will 40 post troll. ;)
 
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doobious said:
Good for you. You finally made some "friends". Too bad that they're on the Internet and likely don't care about you as much as you care for them. Anyways, good luck and troll away.
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i cant troll better thsn you have in this thread. you made it into a joke. good job
 
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bammab007 said:
i thought it was guys like cycleguy and esco? wheres goober?
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they all made the mistake of riding streetcars in toronto. now they are no more.

if only we had more subways we would have them with us still
 
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He did drop, the store video shows that he was down with his feet pointing towards the door.

Even if he still moving (writhing in pain probably) he could not possibly be a threat at that point. He may well have been waving the knife and maybe even yelling threats but he was not a threat.

While it is true that standing he could charge at an officer that is not possible lying down. He would first have to get back on his feet and from the video it really doesn't seem like he did.

What will do in the officer is the six second pause and deliberate decision to resume firing after changing his aim and shouting.

I don't really expect criminal charges but he will maybe be disciplined administratively under the police act.
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I agree except that he should be charged. (I can't believe Narg thinks that the officer was still justified to pump double the rounds of the previous volley. It's not like the severely wounded victim is the Creature From The Black Lagoon).
 
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Narg said:
How certain are you about the timing of the shots? My understanding was (simplistically) that a reporter had used software to try to match auditory recordings with different visual recordings and then made conclusions about the timing of the shots. To get anywhere near administrative discipline, won't SIU have to be convinced that the officer had plenty of time before firing the second set of rounds to determine that Yatim was thoroughly incapacitated by his first three rounds?

Writhing in pain is, of course, an assumption on your part. I have not seen the store video, but I don't believe it has audio. Is there no chance that Yatim was in shock (rather than in immediate pain) and was yelling threats and appeared to be trying to get back up? Is there any audio of the police demanding "stay down" or "drop the knife" or something similar?
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I thought I heard in one video that he was still screaming to drop the knife.

I couldn't care less if the victim was still holding it. It's like the shooting cop was pissed off that the guy still had it clutched in his hands while down.

There's no justification for 6 more shots. Wait it out. The taser was coming. Totally unacceptable.
 
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Fawcett notes that few people realize how quickly a life-or-death decision must be made.

"Time and distance is something that few people appreciate," said Fawcett. "If you're going 10 miles an hour, that's 15 feet per second. Ten miles an hour is a jog. So if somebody's 15 feet away with a knife in their hand, you have less than a second to deal with it. But most people look at the headline and go, 'Oh, the person was 20 feet away. Ohmigod, why didn't the officers do something else?'"
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A lot of good points however, I'm not sure what this cop is saying here. So a cop should shoot someone who's 20 feet away in case they start jogging towards them? Sorry, but unless they move, you don't just shoot.
 
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He still has the knife. He gets shot. Again. Again. Again. Again. Again. Again. Acceptable.
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Not after he was hit three times and falls on the floor. He cannot harm the cop lying on the floor after he's been shot 3 times. Do you understand this point you vigilante? Would you be a threat to me if I shot you three times in your torso? Can you do much to me at that point?

You can taser if you like or step on him.
 
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Narg said:
Now I'm curious. Are the bases for your conclusion that police offcers were "arbitrarily deciding to execute a suspect when their life is not at risk" only that six more shots were fired and that a taser was available? If so, can you not think of any other plausible reasons why 6 additional shots were fired when a taser was "present", other than that the shooter is a psychopath who just wanted an excuse to kill someone "arbitrarily"?

Is it not possible that neither of the two police officers who were closest to Yatim was armed with a taser? Not every police officer has one. If they both had guns drawn and aimed and Yatim made any motion as though he were about to charge, would you really expect both police officers to hold fire until a taser could be brought to them?

Is it not possible that the officer who pulled the trigger was alarmed by threats from an apparently crazy person armed with a knife and then shot again because Yatim was still threatening and thrashing around after he fell to the floor? Is there absolutely no way that the police officer could have been acting in good faith? Are you that certain?
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I can't believe you. Even if he was thrashing around on the floor, he eventually would've passed out from loss of blood.

The taser didn't arrive until the sergeant arrived with it AFTER the 9 shots were made. The joke is that they still tasered him. Didn't the good faith tell the sergeant that he almost emptied his clip into Sammy?

That kid verbally taunted the officer. Yes, he had to eventually drop that gun, but there was time to wait and diffuse the situation. The cop didn't even attempt to talk the guy out of it, he just made ultimatums. It really seems like they both taunted each other.

Did you not notice another cop or two try to pull back the shooting cop? He was enraged, and this manifested in the 6 extra shots that weren't necessary.
 
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