Man who killed Toronto teen on subway sentenced to life in prison

[Funliness9]

Do you really think this is an issue that only came to a head in the past 2 terms? When it comes to serious crime, Canada has always been seen as a joke with the light slap on the wrists it’ll give out. If we want to look at this case as wokeness going too far, that concept sort of contradicts this instance. If anything, this kind of supports the idea that white men can get away with pretty much anything, short of killing someone.

Individually, I think you make a lot of good points, like community resources being an important factor in deterring people from going down the wrong paths to begin with. And how, as a society, mental health issues aren’t really dealt with until they culminate in serious ways, but at that point, what extent could that individual be helped? In the case of violent crimes, probably not at all. Especially if we’re talking about sex-related crimes, which statistically, don’t show any hope of rehabilitation.

Those that are in support of police reform, are looking for just that. Police play a necessary role in a functioning society. Or, at least they should. However, that doesn’t detract from the fact that there are a lot of tyrants who will be obsessed with authority, that are drawn to those kinds of positions. Just look at the number of people in that industry that are domestic abusers. Putting anyone up on a pedestal without examination is a dangerous game, and holding police accountable that have abused their power, shouldn’t be taboo. For sake of decrying wokeness, we’ve massively moved off-topic. These things can absolutely be related, but in this instance, it pulls things in so many different directions that don’t really look to add up at any point.

two terms? The beloved LPC has been around for three terms and there is NOTHING being said by any of their potential leaders to address the problem of rising crime and the need for harsher penal reform. Do you believe that the LPC, who has based its voter strategy on support from immigrant and minority communities, would acknowledge the real problem? Yea one can say that the person in this instance was white, but these instances as horrific as they are, are not the bulk of the problems faced by Toronto and other large Canadian cities. Those have increasingly been disproportionately attributed to non-white criminals.


the wider points I made accentuate how serious the lack of regard to the law has become in Canada. Digging our heads in the ground to avoid acknowledging the problem of disproportionately high levels of crime in POC communities is a disservice to society and to those communities.

Of course police and anyone with public authority should be held to account, in Canada they are, generally.

 

[Bucktee]

200 Criminal convictions and he was walking around? Now murder? The family should sue someone that let him out.

There are people on this board that'll say Canada isn't soft on crime.

In fact, they'd probably argue that Canada's justice system is too heavy handed.

They have no concept of crime & punishment. Hence the situation we're in.

 

[Knuckle Ball]

two terms? The beloved LPC has been around for three terms and there is NOTHING being said by any of their potential leaders to address the problem of rising crime and the need for harsher penal reform. Do you believe that the LPC, who has based its voter strategy on support from immigrant and minority communities, would acknowledge the real problem? Yea one can say that the person in this instance was white, but these instances as horrific as they are, are not the bulk of the problems faced by Toronto and other large Canadian cities. Those have increasingly been disproportionately attributed to non-white criminals.


the wider points I made accentuate how serious the lack of regard to the law has become in Canada. Digging our heads in the ground to avoid acknowledging the problem of disproportionately high levels of crime in POC communities is a disservice to society and to those communities.

Of course police and anyone with public authority should be held to account, in Canada they are, generally.

There are people on this board that'll say Canada isn't soft on crime.

In fact, they'd probably argue that Canada's justice system is too heavy handed.

They have no concept of crime & punishment. Hence the situation we're in.

On behalf of everybody on the Left, no one supports crime in our communities…the question is more around how to deal with it. I believe police and law enforcement need to be part of how we respond but it needs not to be the only thing we do.

 

[Bucktee]

On behalf of everybody on the Left, no one supports crime in our communities…the question is more around how to deal with it. I believe police and law enforcement need to be part of how we respond but it needs not to be the only thing we do.

The man in the article is a cold blooded murderer, so let's start with the worst criminals like him.

Refer to El Salvador's maximum security prison called Centro de Confinamiento del Terrorismo (CECOT) for the proper way to house such individuals. It's a thing of beauty.

Then we work our way down the list to lesser crimes.

As long as you're soft on crime, things will never get better.

 

[Robert Mugabe]

The man in the article is a cold blooded murderer, so let's start with the worst criminals like him.

Refer to El Salvador's maximum security prison called Centro de Confinamiento del Terrorismo (CECOT) for the proper way to house such individuals. It's a thing of beauty.

Then we work our way down the list to lesser crimes.

As long as you're soft on crime, things will never get better.

Agreed. But I saw a documentary recently where innocent people are being detained for as much as two years without charges because the police have to fill a quota of arrestees. Similar idea to the body count idea in Vietnam.

 

[Phil C. McNasty]

Dubai has almost no crime.

Wanna know why??

 

[Funliness9]

We’ll , it’s being committed by a key element of the lefts’s base

On behalf of everybody on the Left, no one supports crime in our communities…the question is more around how to deal with it. I believe police and law enforcement need to be part of how we respond but it needs not to be the only thing we do.

the left had been an ostrich on crime - head in the sand focussing on the root cause and blind income redistribution rather than deterrence and focussed intervention

It’s been three terms of LPC/NDP leadership and crime is worse than ever - If you can’t even have an adult conversation about where the crime is coming from (because it targets certain poc communities) nothing will get fixed. This will require profiling, better immigration vetting, purging of immigrants causing crimes, more police and working more in those communities with more social intervention - even as unwoke as this all sounds

 

[Robert Mugabe]

Dubai has almost no crime.

Wanna know why??

Criminals have their heads in the sand?

 

[Phil C. McNasty]

Criminals have their heads in the sand?

No, its just Canadian politicians who have their heads in the sand

 

[Knuckle Ball]

The man in the article is a cold blooded murderer, so let's start with the worst criminals like him.

Refer to El Salvador's maximum security prison called Centro de Confinamiento del Terrorismo (CECOT) for the proper way to house such individuals. It's a thing of beauty.

Then we work our way down the list to lesser crimes.

As long as you're soft on crime, things will never get better.

El Salvador is also going to have to figure out what to do with all of those young men they have locked up. I don’t see it as a thing of beauty but I understand why the government cracked down so hard on crime.

 

[Bucktee]

El Salvador is also going to have to figure out what to do with all of those young men they have locked up. I don’t see it as a thing of beauty but I understand why the government cracked down so hard on crime.

There's no figuring out. You keep murderers locked up, so that if they murder in the future, they're only murdering another murderer.

Perhaps an even better option is to dispose of them.

 

[roddermac]

There's no figuring out. You keep murderers locked up, so that if they murder in the future, they're only murdering another murderer.

Perhaps an even better option is to dispose of them.

People forget that prison isn't just punishment. It's a safety wall for law abiding citizens.

 

[Bignrg]

I think you’re arguing against your points, in some ways. For example, you talking about marginalized groups (not applicable to the perp in this instance), whether racially, or socioeconomically (maybe both), being failed by a system that will push them towards criminal activity, while also condemning them for engaging in it. Why be against a restructuring that perpetuates that cycle. This isn’t about wokeness, at all - that’s a lazy argument. It’s an acknowledgment of both sides (if we simplify things and narrow it down to two), having no confidence in the system as it stands.

I’d still love to hear back from the person I was quoting, and don’t want to fall to off track. There’s constant complaining about how SP’s think they’re above their clients, and should be more willing to engage with us. Then, when they do, they’re treated with a noticeable contempt, almost.

I’ve seen enough anti-Trudeau posts from her to know that her statement was made in bad faith. The killer was sentenced to life in prison for this crime it’s not like he got off. I do agree though that his numerous prior convictions should have had him locked up well before he committed this crime.

 

[KidTwist]

Criticizing right wing/conservative talking points while paying for sex is a whole next level of irony

The left seems to be mostly pro-sex work.

The other side of the coin, not so much, even if there is hypocrisy.

 

[WetSeeker]

The legal system is not a just system. That's lesson one.
As far as supporting bail, the results are pretty obvious. There are a lot of offenders who commit dozens, sometimes 100s of crimes without any consequence.
Now we have a man charged over 200 times committing murder by knife on the subway. Yet the left thinks we can talk to them, possibly understand them, or reform them.
That's insane. Only a moron would agree that is an effective way to deal with repeat offenders.
The legal system is a sad joke, it is not funny in the least. Certainly for the family with a dead son, they must be wondering how this was allowed to happen.

 

[southpaw]

The other side of the coin, not so much, even if there is hypocrisy.

Not everyone on the right.

https://www.libertarianism.org/topics/sex-work

 

[southpaw]

El Salvador is also going to have to figure out what to do with all of those young men they have locked up.

What's there to figure out? Wait until they're not young and release them with an ankle monitor. If they reoffend, lock em back up again. An age of 40 should do the trick. If not, try 50.

 

[Phil C. McNasty]

The left seems to be mostly pro-sex work

I'm glad you said mostly, because most feminists are very much against sex work.

Their motto is, if we're not going to have sex then nobody else should have sex either

 

[Bucktee]

The left seems to be mostly pro-sex work.

The other side of the coin, not so much, even if there is hypocrisy.

That might be true of the religious right, but certainly not everyone right of centre.

 

[richaceg]

Parroting right wing/conservative talking points while working as a sex worker is a whole next level of irony

How did you get she's a conservative? Even my liberal friends think this is a joke. Common sense...