Man in jail for not paying child support for a kid thats not his

[ultraviolet]

Thanks themexi!

From what I gather, the governments do know about this, but they would rather some guy pay, any guy, as long as the government doesn't have to pay, so there is a bias towards making some poor guy (even if he is not the father) pay.

imo this is both a human rights and property rights violation.

 

[Aardvark154]

I wonder how hard it is to secretly get a paternity test. How much genetic material do you need? Shouldn't it just be a saliva swab or something? Seems like you ought to be able to pull that off pretty quietly.

Any more you are right about the swab, although the test itself isn't cheap. However the real costs lie elswhere. At a time when hopefully everything is going well in the marriage are you emotionaly prepared to learn that nothing is as it seems. What will your wife's reaction be when she finds out you secretly had a paternity test done.

 

[Aardvark154]

One wonders why our Current "public servants" didnt think of this????

Perhaps because on the whole we don't want them to. In North America almost every State and Province has a "Presumption of Paternity Statute" In Ontario: R.S.O. 1990, CHAPTER C.12 §8 (Uniform Law Conference of Canada) "Unless the contrary is proven on a balance of probabilities, there is a presumption that a male person is, and he shall be recognized in law to be, the father of a child in any one of the following circumstances:

1. The person is married to the mother of the child at the time of the birth of the child."

The reason why we want such laws is pretty well spelled out in Michael H. v. Gerald D. 491 U. S. 110 (1989) Although the case facts do read like a soap opera.

Most of us would not like the State coming along to "bust up our marriage" We seem to do badly enough in that regard all on our own.

 

[themexi]

Perhaps because on the whole we don't want them to. In North America almost every State and Province has a "Presumption of Paternity Statute" In Ontario: R.S.O. 1990, CHAPTER C.12 §8 (Uniform Law Conference of Canada) "Unless the contrary is proven on a balance of probabilities, there is a presumption that a male person is, and he shall be recognized in law to be, the father of a child in any one of the following circumstances:

1. The person is married to the mother of the child at the time of the birth of the child."

The reason why we want such laws is pretty well spelled out in Michael H. v. Gerald D. 491 U. S. 110 (1989) Although the case facts do read like a soap opera.

Most of us would not like the State coming along to "bust up our marriage" We seem to do badly enough in that regard all on our own.

Thanks, thats good information to know.

Personally, I intend to make paternity tests/ full health screening part of any chidlbearing I willingly participate in & in utero if at all possible.....

Not just for paternity mind you..... Babies get mixed up in hospitals, early detection of inherited/congenital disorders, etc.... Truthfully these would be First on my mind but I gotta say that knowing that the kid isn't mine as early as possible will allow me options.....

& the mother too.... who knows? If given the choice between getting rid of the other mans baby & working things out between us or being left out in the cold pregnant & alone unless she can convince the Real father to take them in could be beneficial...

And NO I would NEVER even consider... sticking with a woman who cheated on me AND pump my resources into the genetic product of another..... Never happen... odds are she'll choose the bastard & that's fair enough... however I'd rather go to jail for one offense or another than have 1 thin dime go towards the product of such treachery....

Sure it's only a child but it's not mine... & it would be a constant reminder of betrayal & a drain on resources that would otherwise go to my OWN REAL children......so if it means someone else's kid as to starve in the street so my future kids will have more fine




Society is better off not suffering government encouraged Bastardry.....

 

[Aardvark154]

First on my mind but I gotta say that knowing that the kid isn't mine as early as possible will allow me options.....
Society is better off not suffering government encouraged Bastardry.....

TheMexi, philosophically I entirely agree with you.

But given the all the things that went wrong in my marriage it is quite easy beforehand or in hindsight to say XYZ. When you are actually there is it far harder to pull the ejection handle. Call it stupid - and in hindsight it likely was, but at the time. . . . (although unfaithfulness was not an issue)

 

[themexi]

TheMexi, philosophically I entirely agree with you.

But given the all the things that went wrong in my marriage it is quite easy beforehand or in hindsight to say XYZ. When you are actually there is it far harder to pull the ejection handle. Call it stupid - and in hindsight it likely was, but at the time. . . . (although unfaithfulness was not an issue)

Of course actual circumstances will always dictate the outcome more than anything preplanned..... I Know however I would do this because I found an ex cheated on me.... It wasn't a 100% exclusive relationship until later so I basically let it go... then some time after that she told me she was pregnant.... I told her what I knew & demanded a paternity test.... She balked & basically asked me how I could worry about something silly like paternity....

I threw her out... told her if she went through with the pregnancy she better pray it was the other guys because she would have a helluva time getting anything out of me even if I was the biological.... I told her before that kid hit the 3rd trimester everything I owned would be sold & saved in cash for lawyers & I would hold off on taking any more contracts until this all got sorted.... I made it very clear there would be Zero financial benefit from the kid being mine..... she knew me well enough to know that I was very serious....

Because after the way she conducted herself & treating me like I should be lucky to take care of her & this kid without being SURE it was mine..... I was totally against having any sort of relationship with her... Especially sharing a kid... wished her luck took her key... shut the door & went about changing all passwords, #s etc....

Turns out she did cheat for sure during the commited part of the relationship & depending on the version from 2nd hand sources either wasn't pregnant to begin with or it didn't get past a couple months.... Good....

I don't feel bad about it in the slightest...


Whatever happened in your situation I'm sure was different & that you handled it the best way you could..... Depending on the situation I may ave done what you did.... Who can say?

 

[Aardvark154]

Of course actual circumstances will always dictate the outcome more than anything preplanned..... I Know however I would do this because I found an ex cheated on me....

I'm very sorry that was the case Mexi! All I can say is wow

 

[dcbogey]

mexi - I can only hope that you never have the chance to pass on you genetic material. Unfortunately your misogynist point of view carries on - to our determent.

 

[nottyboi]

Yeah this sadly transforms single mothers from less desireable to OMG is that your kid....GET ME THE *UCK OUTTA HERE!!! AHHHHGGGGGGGGG!!

 

[themexi]

mexi - I can only hope that you never have the chance to pass on you genetic material. Unfortunately your misogynist point of view carries on - to our determent.

Where's they misogyny here??? This INDUVIDUAL woman cheated on me & then basiclly expected me to take her word for it that the potential child was mine,,,, without verification....in spite of me knowing what she did.....

She may have Hoped it was mine but se really didn't care if it was or not.... she was in a bind & she wanted ME to "man up" & support er & a kid she wouldn't even give me the respect to know what I would be getting into with facts....

All I did was call her on her bullshit.... I told her that her devious actions precluded her from being a suitable mate for me & I HAD THE BALLS to make sure she knew good & goddamn well what to expect..... which is more than she was prepared to do for ME!!!!



In short all I did was what men are NEVER supposed to do in this society.... I made er "women up"... I made her understand that HER choices had screwed her & that I would NOT be dragged down with her.... She already made her bad choices... I made er FACE them & deal with the FULL CONSEQUENCES....

I guess anything less than weak subservience to people like you is misogyny... whatever..

I guess that if the world is full of people like you who would rather serve a lifetime in chains supporting another mans kid then any genetic offspring of mine would be constantly stifled & disgusted with the weaklings our society has fostered into existence....

So yes... maybe people like me are out of place in this cuckold utopia where men shoulder all the burdens no matter how irresponsible te choices of Some women...



I'm just kidding.... FUCK OFF... I have no regrets..... I don't have any bastard albatrosses hung around my neck...mine or anyone elses... & I'M NOT SORRY