Male circumcision could be key to preventing HIV-AIDS in men: experts

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LOL I picked up on his name too......well, what other specialty would you expect a Dr Cock to be in? Podiatry??? lol
 

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*snort* Loves De Cock!

tboy said:
LOL I picked up on his name too......well, what other specialty would you expect a Dr Cock to be in? Podiatry??? lol
Yeah, better to have a guy that loves "de Cock" than one who
is really into feet, but does dicks on the side ... LOL

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acutus said:
Maybe they should circumcise all the monkeys in the jungle. Sincerely, Jon .

Interesting comment. The take I get from it is that you are calling Africans monkeys? Am I wrong?
 

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strokegenius said:
Interesting comment. The take I get from it is that you are calling Africans monkeys? Am I wrong?
How the hell did you get that interpretation????????????

My interpretations was that he meant since the 'myth' of aids was created my a man fucking a monkey, that if you circumsized the monkeys, the next man to fuck a monkey wouldnt get it....phew.....Am I wrong?

....too much moneky fuckin talk for one night.....
 

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strokegenius said:
Interesting comment. The take I get from it is that you are calling Africans monkeys? Am I wrong?
I was referring to what some believe to be cause of AIDS, Mr. Strokegenius. Sincerely, Jon .
 

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fantasiafan said:
Read my damn post man! I gave an explanation based on a well-known common myth!!!!!!

WTF are you basing yours on????
Reading the story about Africa and then seeing his comment. That's what I am basing it on.
 

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strokegenius said:
Reading the story about Africa and then seeing his comment. That's what I am basing it on.
It depends on how old you are and if you remember when the news of AIDS first hit the media. The theory was that AIDS originated in monkeys from the jungles of Africa and a human somehow got infected. Since AIDS in humans was primary a sexually transmitted disease the myth (and a number of jokes) suggested that some guy fucked a monkey.

That's how I took acutus' original remark. I didn't see it as a racist remark but a reference back to that myth.
 

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This research is nothing new. I remember a story on 60 Minutes about 4 or 5 years ago that presented evidence that circumcised men were less likely to contract AIDS. The story centered around the AIDS epidemic in Africa because the men there were unusually opposed to condom use even when it could save their lives and very few men were circumcised.
 

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The virus can pass through the condom's tiny pores... and this uncircumsised correlation seems to be just that - correlation.
 

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glaeken said:
It depends on how old you are and if you remember when the news of AIDS first hit the media. The theory was that AIDS originated in monkeys from the jungles of Africa and a human somehow got infected. Since AIDS in humans was primary a sexually transmitted disease the myth (and a number of jokes) suggested that some guy fucked a monkey.

That's how I took acutus' original remark. I didn't see it as a racist remark but a reference back to that myth.
That is one myth/theory….which I think is a total pant-load and more importantly my Aunt (who is a Doctor doing AIDS research) thinks it is horsepucky as well! I have heard one theory, which makes more sense. It is quite common in Africa to consume Monkey meat…..Yes, I know here in the West the mere thought would make your stomach turn…but who knows I have heard that it tastes good, so WTF!

Being that monkeys carry SIV. It is theorized that during the butchering of the meat that the blood from the animal got into the bloodstream of the butcher from a cut on the butcher’s hand!

Another theory is the AIDS pandemic originated from live polio vaccines prepared in chimpanzee tissue cultures (at least some of which were almost certainly contaminated with chimpanzee SIV) which were administered to up to one million Africans between 1957 and 1960.
 

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Military experimenting gone wrong. Case Closed. Want another one? Ever wondered why the West Nile virus, Never in north america before, came to arrive here? interesting enough, the first 'outbreak' occured in manitoba and new york. coincidentally they are both places where certain 'experiments' of this nature take place. ;)
 

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fantasiafan said:
Military experimenting gone wrong. Case Closed. Want another one? Ever wondered why the West Nile virus, Never in north america before, came to arrive here? interesting enough, the first 'outbreak' occured in manitoba and new york. coincidentally they are both places where certain 'experiments' of this nature take place. ;)

no they aren't
 

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gabeti said:
The virus can pass through the condom's tiny pores... and this uncircumsised correlation seems to be just that - correlation.
Finding a correlation and studying it helps increase our understanding of how HIV is transmitted and might lead to further ways to prevent, treat or even cure it. What you so easily dismiss could be a major breakthrough.

For more information on this "correlation" you might want to read the CDC's report on male circumcision - http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/resources/factsheets/PDF/circumcision.pdf

Also, the issue of condom pore diameter vs. the HIV virus is one that the proponents of abstinence use to promote their view. Yes, condom pore sizes are larger than the HIV virus but the HIV virus does not float around on it's own. It lives inside another cell such as a blood cell which is much larger than the size of a pore in a latex condom. Also, the condom poer sizes quoted are usually when the condom is stretched to it's limit (up to 10 times it's normal size). Now I don't know about anyone else but I rarely inflate my condoms like ballons before using them). According to FDA an study (http://www.fda.gov/cdrh/ost/reports/fy98/INFECTION.HTM - see section titled Virus Impermeability of Differently Formulated Natural Rubber Latex Films and Gloves) a properly used condom is an effective barrier to HIV and other viruses.

Now I'm not saying they're 100% but they're waaaay more effective than your comment would suggest.
 

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strokegenius said:
no they aren't
Plum Island didnt bring West Nile to New York? Ya ok.....

Funny coincidence that the fact sheet of 1999 and Plum Island coincide with the first ever outbreak in North America.....when Plum Island had declassified information about having been a military germ warfare lab during the in days gone by.....

Intersting: http://www.gene-watch.org/genewatch/articles/14-3plumisland.html

Facts: http://www.aphis.usda.gov/lpa/pubs/fsheet_faq_notice/fs_ahwnv.html

The Meat and Potatoes of it all: http://www.whale.to/b/cantwell.html

But thanks for your strokeofgenius.....loved your version of it all :D
 

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strokegenius said:
How don't you?
By having a broad knowledge base of the history and literature of the disease.

QED
 

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la venganza said:
That is one myth/theory….which I think is a total pant-load and more importantly my Aunt (who is a Doctor doing AIDS research) thinks it is horsepucky as well! I have heard one theory, which makes more sense. It is quite common in Africa to consume Monkey meat…..Yes, I know here in the West the mere thought would make your stomach turn…but who knows I have heard that it tastes good, so WTF!

Being that monkeys carry SIV. It is theorized that during the butchering of the meat that the blood from the animal got into the bloodstream of the butcher from a cut on the butcher’s hand!

Another theory is the AIDS pandemic originated from live polio vaccines prepared in chimpanzee tissue cultures (at least some of which were almost certainly contaminated with chimpanzee SIV) which were administered to up to one million Africans between 1957 and 1960.
I would not wish to put words into Acutus' mouth or pretend to interpret him; but it seems quite plausible to any one of sense, that he is simply satirizing the notion of monkey's being the cause of aids as the original agent of sexual transmission in humans.

Your Aunty, God bless her, and your other comments evidently agree with this point. So your dismissal of Glaecan and Acutus leads nowhere -as do those of others who conjure up racism, and various other non-sequiturs.

The guy made a simple tongue-in-cheek observation quite consistent with enlightened scientific observations and commentary.

One thing about Acutus: he certainly knows how to emancipate the fear of prejudice from the prejudiced.


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