If it happened today he’d get $200 mil...I know it was a long time ago but stilll...
Major Cold Case Solved
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Yes this was the table talk yesterday. Lots of unanswered questions.
Personally invested in this case doing a small part trying to help Justice. Morin is a long list of people convicted of crimes they did not commit on the worst of evidence.
Morin reason of being picked as the prime suspect as I recall - he listened to classical music which was very od for a teenager. While ignoring known child rapists in the area. The police were well aware they faked the evidence on this case to make it go away.
How many crimes did the real guy (Hover) commit in 30+ years that could have been stopped as well?
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Apparently Hoover killed himself shortly after Police identified (interviewed) him as a suspect in Jessop's killing. For reasons unknown, they took a DNA sample when they performed an autopsy on him. If all that's true, it begs the question. If they did in fact consider him a suspect, and they had his DNA from her undies, why didn't they match the two sooner?
Hoover was still alive when Nicole Morin disappeared.
BTW: I heard that GP and family wore helmets with lights and would go out at night to collect worms. The police thought this was really odd.
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I happened to catch the News Conference yesterday on CP24 and the Toronto Acting Police Chief was being very evasive to say the least.
I could not understand why he was behaving the way he was. Typically when you see these news conferences where they are looking for a guy, they deliberately play their cards close to their chests so as not to release any information which might help the killer, or be used to hinder their case later on. This new conference yesterday was exactly like that and I kept thinking, "why is this guy being so cagey with his answers?" The guy Hoover is dead, they finally know they've got the right guy, but they were just dancing around the questions. Infuriating. I'd have figured that they would have been more forthcoming with ANSWERS, at least after all these years. Even the reporters in the conference were asking shitty meaningless questions. Only one guy said, "that's obviously a mug shot of Hoover (which it sure looks like), does he have a record of pedophilia?" Very reasonable question, but acting chief (Ramer, not sure of his name), dances around the question. Then you get a few goofy questions from no name reporters who can't speak intelligently to save their lives and bingo, end of press conference.
Then I read that the police made a pit stop at Guy Paul Morin's house and just read a very brief statement to him that told him that they finally knew the name of the killer. Then they turned around and left.
None of it made any sense to me.
But now, reading your post, it makes sense.
The cops are covering their asses on this one.
If I was Morin, (and I thank Christ that I am not), I'd be demanding some answers on this one.
That is incorrect if my memory servee - it was a long time ago. Evidence was alterend and supressed. Evidence that showed suspects (and there wore many, the girl was being sexually abused) was kept from the defense.
Wikpedia touches on this "The retrial was delayed until 1992 by Morin's own appeals based on the Crown's non-disclosure of exculpatory evidence and by other issues, including the double jeopardy rule "
The trail made the caeere of many officers None where punished but promoted. THe policy of high schooler with sub par grades becoming cops - thugs with badges - is containing to haunt us
From the report:
I find that some of this was a product of an interviewing process (such as collective meetings or overly informative questioning of witnesses) that was not designed to create unreliable evidence, but which nonetheless had that very effect. I find that a number of witnesses adopted and incorporated into their evidence things they were told by others — often, done subconsciously; sometimes, I regret to say, done deliberately.
From other sources
Defence counsel Clayton Ruby attacked the credibility of the jailhouse snitches; he revealed that the Crown had offered the informants leniency in their cases, in return for their testimony. Ruby also made much of a series of investigative shortcomings; these included the improper collection and retention of physical evidence from the body site, as well as police notes that were missing, inadequate or misleading.
Ministry of the Attorney General
Administering the justice system in Ontario and protecting the public by delivering a wide range of legal services.
www.attorneygeneral.jus.gov.on.ca
There are hundreds of pages listing the lies, incompetence and ignoring of other criminal types. There where more that one know child molesters in the area, this were ignored.
To me this was the case the police needed to be heros, they picked somone weak, and made it stick.
But this is just shitty policing. It's not a legal cause of action.The trail made the caeere of many officers None where punished but promoted. THe policy of high schooler with sub par grades becoming cops - thugs with badges - is containing to haunt us
From the report:
I find that some of this was a product of an interviewing process (such as collective meetings or overly informative questioning of witnesses) that was not designed to create unreliable evidence, but which nonetheless had that very effect. I find that a number of witnesses adopted and incorporated into their evidence things they were told by others — often, done subconsciously; sometimes, I regret to say, done deliberately.
From other sources
Defence counsel Clayton Ruby attacked the credibility of the jailhouse snitches; he revealed that the Crown had offered the informants leniency in their cases, in return for their testimony. Ruby also made much of a series of investigative shortcomings; these included the improper collection and retention of physical evidence from the body site, as well as police notes that were missing, inadequate or misleading.
Ministry of the Attorney General
Administering the justice system in Ontario and protecting the public by delivering a wide range of legal services.
There are hundreds of pages listing the lies, incompetence and ignoring of other criminal types. There where more that one know child molesters in the area, this were ignored.
To me this was the case the police needed to be heros, they picked somone weak, and made it stick.
When you effectively plant evidence, its not longer just bad policing.
Its one thing to not do the legwork and not catch anyone, but rather than not catch somone but frame them by
1) using false forensic evidence -the hair
2) getting a snitch to make up a story
3) Sharing information with witness so they tell the right story to convict
4) Coaching witness for the right info
5) Over turning an innocent verdict and ignoring double jeopardy because you know hes quilty (how this happened I have no idea, this is bad judiciary)
6) Picking ridiculous evidence as relevant to pin it on your guy. Morin did it because he listened to classical music? Sure ok, lets investigate just him, but ignore all evidence from then on because you have your guy? This is more to your point - was it so incompetent as to criminal akin to
Criminal negligence
219 (1) Every one is criminally negligent who
(a) in doing anything, or (b) in omitting to do anything that it is his duty to do,
shows wanton or reckless disregard for the lives or safety of other persons.
Definition of “duty”
(2) For the purposes of this section, “duty” means a duty imposed by law.
R.S., c. C-34, s. 202.
Certainly if a doctor decided since you listened to classical music you needed to have surgery to look for cancer and you lost a leg - or even if you where in hospital for 4 years as a result of the surgery they would be in the criminal part.
And even if you argue that none of these things where worthy of legal punishment they all deserve removal from the police force, not promotions.
One could argue that each member of the team only made minor mistakes it was only as a group (which is not chargeable) that they become crinimal (as in the forensics, which where bad but how were the average detective to know that) but teams are supposed to compensate for there other members weaknesses - I need an editor for example - but if you don't compensate and its literally life and death you deserve to be fired.
Spoken like someone who didn't follow the trial, acquittal and aftermath very closely...
Your post was bang on. What a complete miscarriage of justice!
