Major Cold Case Solved
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I just saw the press conference. Kudos to police.
Amazing technology! Apparently, it is not yet allowed in court or is it?
I think the CP24 host was unfair in asking why it wasn't solved earlier. She must watch too many TV shows where everything is solved in one hour.
Well, bad on the police for arresting the wrong guy at the time...but good on them for not letting it fade away.
Finally closure to that case!, Guy Paul Morin is finally free mentally.
I actually worked with Morin's sister and didn't know it until she was pictured in the media with Guy Paul when he was exonerated. I said to myself, "What the heck is she doing in that photo with GPM??"
Now if only the cops cans solve another high profile murder case of a child in 1983- Sharin Morningstar Keenan. Police have always suspected her neighbour , Dennis Melvin Howe, but there is no physical evidence.
I actually worked with Morin's sister and didn't know it until she was pictured in the media with Guy Paul when he was exonerated. I said to myself, "What the heck is she doing in that photo with GPM??"
Now if only the cops cans solve another high profile murder case of a child in 1983- Sharin Morningstar Keenan. Police have always suspected her neighbour , Dennis Melvin Howe, but there is no physical evidence.
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They sure bungled this case in the beginning. Amazing Police work in the end to solve the case. Too bad he never spent time in jail. Inmates just love child rapist killer/rapists so I'm told.
So many unanswered questions about this piece of garbage though. What was his connection to the family? Where did he live? Where did he work? Was he still in contact with the family? Is he responsible for any other crimes? The list goes on...
So many unanswered questions about this piece of garbage though. What was his connection to the family? Where did he live? Where did he work? Was he still in contact with the family? Is he responsible for any other crimes? The list goes on...
Mystery surrounds Toronto’s most wanted fugitive, Dennis Melvyn Howe
Almost 30 years after the murder of a nine-year-old girl, no one knows what happened to the suspect. Toronto’s most wanted fugitive, Dennis Melvyn Howe, appears to have vanished into thin air.
What a tragedy all round.
What amazes me most is what Guy Paul Morin went through. 10 years of his life spent on trial. Acquitted in the first trial of killing the poor girl only to be tried again by the Crown and then subsequently convicted. He spent 2 years in jail. Imagine what that must have been like - convicted of sexually assaulting and murdering a 9 year old little girl and incarcerated in a maximum security jail.
Not only did the police frame Morin, together with the Crown, they conspired to bury any evidence that worked against their pet theory that Guy Paul Morin was anything but a psychopathic murderer. That's fucked up.
But what I will never ever forget is watching the 5'th Estate where they did an investigation into Morin's trials after he was released in the 90's upon DNA proof. (But still, there was always that feeling among some that he was the killer no matter what.) I remembered seeing one female juror say that she KNEW that Morin was guilty because he never made eye contact with the jury when he was giving testimony. Unbelievable. Never mind the evidence, never mind anything, just go with your gut. The guy never made eye contact, therefore, he's a stone cold murderer. The gut is never wrong.
I found the old Fifth Estate show from the 90's on youtube.
Watch it from the beginning, but if nothing else, watch when they interview 3 jurors, including the big haired woman who was so damn sure that Morin was guilty because he didn't look her in the eye.
The good stuff starts at 31:00.
Un-fucking-believable. Moral of the story, people are stupid, and if you ever find yourself on trial by jury, be afraid. Be very afraid because you are not being judged by a jury of your peers, you are being judged by a jury of morons. (Oh, and better make eye contact.)
What else is great about this video is all the people who were so fucking sure that Morin killed Christine Jessop - like the lead crown prosecutor (Mr. Leo McGuigan "I'm going to celebrate with a beer,") like Christine Jessop's brother.
What amazes me most is what Guy Paul Morin went through. 10 years of his life spent on trial. Acquitted in the first trial of killing the poor girl only to be tried again by the Crown and then subsequently convicted. He spent 2 years in jail. Imagine what that must have been like - convicted of sexually assaulting and murdering a 9 year old little girl and incarcerated in a maximum security jail.
Not only did the police frame Morin, together with the Crown, they conspired to bury any evidence that worked against their pet theory that Guy Paul Morin was anything but a psychopathic murderer. That's fucked up.
But what I will never ever forget is watching the 5'th Estate where they did an investigation into Morin's trials after he was released in the 90's upon DNA proof. (But still, there was always that feeling among some that he was the killer no matter what.) I remembered seeing one female juror say that she KNEW that Morin was guilty because he never made eye contact with the jury when he was giving testimony. Unbelievable. Never mind the evidence, never mind anything, just go with your gut. The guy never made eye contact, therefore, he's a stone cold murderer. The gut is never wrong.
I found the old Fifth Estate show from the 90's on youtube.
Watch it from the beginning, but if nothing else, watch when they interview 3 jurors, including the big haired woman who was so damn sure that Morin was guilty because he didn't look her in the eye.
The good stuff starts at 31:00.
Un-fucking-believable. Moral of the story, people are stupid, and if you ever find yourself on trial by jury, be afraid. Be very afraid because you are not being judged by a jury of your peers, you are being judged by a jury of morons. (Oh, and better make eye contact.)
What else is great about this video is all the people who were so fucking sure that Morin killed Christine Jessop - like the lead crown prosecutor (Mr. Leo McGuigan "I'm going to celebrate with a beer,") like Christine Jessop's brother.
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Another old unsolved case is Nicole Morin.
www.toronto.com
Regarding juries
If you are guilty, ask for a jury trial.
If you are innocent, ask for a judge only trial because a good judge only looks at the facts and evidence and applies the law accordingly. No gut feel.
ONTARIO COLD CASE: Nicole Morin vanishes on way to summer swim
Nicole Morin made arrangements with her friend to go swimming on a hot, sticky day in July 1985. The eight-year-old said goodbye to her mom and was seen heading toward
Regarding juries
If you are guilty, ask for a jury trial.
If you are innocent, ask for a judge only trial because a good judge only looks at the facts and evidence and applies the law accordingly. No gut feel.
Here's another young girl murder case from the mid 80's that was solved, murder of Alison Parrott:
en.wikipedia.org
Murder of Alison Parrott - Wikipedia
en.wikipedia.org
Supposedly killed himself a few years ago.
They used the DNA that the found on the body in a sort of reverse engineering way. They build a family tree of sorts and narrow it down. They start wide, and then narrow the search.
Then, as it turned out, they had this guy's DNA on file which tells me that the guy was known to police.
I watched press conference with the acting chief of police and he was surprisingly tight lipped with answers. The killer is dead, and yet this Ramer guy danced around the questions being asked by the press. Begs the question - why?
Unfortunately, Mr. Morin is not free mentally.
He went through hell and back with two trials, losing 10 years of his life for a crime he didn't commit.
He really will never recover from that.
Be curious to know how many cold cases or current for that matter are being investigated right now using the genetic genealogy technique? This of course caught the notorious Golden State Killer in the last couple of years after the case went cold for decades. Recollect hearing about several other cases as well. Too bad this one was solved after the perpetrator was dead.
Having been on a very difficult jury case, I agree with this and the previous post.Another old unsolved case is Nicole Morin.
ONTARIO COLD CASE: Nicole Morin vanishes on way to summer swim
Nicole Morin made arrangements with her friend to go swimming on a hot, sticky day in July 1985. The eight-year-old said goodbye to her mom and was seen heading toward
Regarding juries
If you are guilty, ask for a jury trial.
If you are innocent, ask for a judge only trial because a good judge only looks at the facts and evidence and applies the law accordingly. No gut feel.
Small consolation, maybe. He did receive $1.7mm compensation and he now knows he is vindicated beyond any doubt.
I hope he suffered that pos, its just so terrible what he did to the girl and the suffering the family had to go through and Paul Morin. You're thinking that the cops maybe knew this guy? 1 Million is not enough for what he went thru, the cops were clearly dirty making up stories about him.
Definitely a tiny consolation for robbing 10years of his life and changing it forever.
The TV show the Genetic Detective shows real cold crimes being solved using this method of genetic DNA tracing.
It was a couple of decades or more ago, so $ was worth more.
And it was a gratuitous payment. He got a "fair" trial procedurally. No official was corrupt. So he didn't have a legal claim. There's no tort of "wrongly convicted". But the miscarriage of justice was so notorious and so abysmal that the government was morally - NOT legally - obliged to give him some compensation.
