Mail Order Brides - Would You Do It?

ExoticSpirit

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I imagine that one of the main reasons why many of us hobby is because we've had enough of your typical attitudes of North American based women here. So I'm sure this is how the whole mail order bride industry started.

So my question for discussion is, would any of you consider this route of going overseas for a foreign bride? Have any of you done it?
 
I've known a number of people who have done it

In all honesty - it rarely works out. But then I suppose most relationships don't. Personally I think it is a bad idea. The lady is generally desperate to get out of her country, and sees marriage to a foreigner as the only viable option. She generally will either say or do whatever necssarry to legally get in. She definatley 'settles' in terms of what she is looking for as a partner, and will usually put on an act to become what the man wants - until she can secure her place in her new country. The man is usually looking for something he can't find in his own backyard (often a more subserviant woman), and they have a wonderfully fake relationship until the woman can get out.

Not meaning to be cynical, but that is the pattern I have seen emerge. Of course it can work - but like any relationship, it requires honesty and openess to be successful.



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I've seen a couple of these mail order relationships fall apart for the same reasons VancouverAngel mentioned above...you're taking a girl who wants to leave her own country and will put up with a lot to acheive her goals. After a time, she gardually attaches to her ethnic community in the city she is in and eventually will get a b/f of her own ethnical background who speaks her language and is more appealing to her and leave the relationship that brought her here. At least that is what I have noticed when white guys in their 30's/40's bring over asian girls in their early 20's. Maybe some work out, but in the limited number I have seen, it usually doesn't.

Would I do this? No, very unlikely.
 
No.

There are plenty of women in Canada who are decent women and want to get married. The problem is that short fat bald really ugly guys with poor hygiene and bad breath are only interested in some 5'10" gazelle legged beauty. The only such women who may be interested in his sorry ass is some desperate to get out chick from a coal mining town in Siberia. And even then the second she's legal, she's going to leave you and sponsor Vasily (the permanently drunk but somehow appealing 6'2" strapping coal miner from Norilsk to come and be with her.)

Do you really think that she's going to fall in love with the inner you?

Be serious.
 
Foreign women in many countries do make better wives then Canadian and American women, but I doubt they would stay the way they are if you brought them over. So if you want a wife like that, you really just have to move....
 
ExoticSpirit said:
So my question for discussion is, would any of you consider this route of going overseas for a foreign bride? Have any of you done it?

No. But I do go overseas for a foreign lay. I like two (2) girls together, so marriage is a tough one for me later in life. Unless.....I get the type of single girl I want in business would be the only chance for an overseas relationship, where we become rich together. With the economy going the way it is, all the Asian Canadians and Asian Americans have a chance. Hope they like girl-girl sex games.

Gyaos Baltar.
 
There are plenty of men in Canada who are decent and want to get married. The problem is that women in Canada are only interested in someone 5'10" and over. (Copy/paste, edit :-P)

I think my desire is someone from the region of my roots--at the way my social life is going and my interest in a social life here, that is my best option--but I would not bring her back here. Divorce rate there is probably 2%--divorce is unheard of in my family lineage (not to sound naive).
 
I know of 2 guys who went overseas--on holiday--and meet ladies and after getting to know them better--went back, married and return with them. 1 guy is still happily married, has 2 sons with her--he makes good $$$ too.


Me, thats not for me....not sure if I even want to be married, maybe someday but right now am doing better I believe than if I married a few years back. She need to have some $$$ and not be "stuck up"...fat chance I find some gal like that, lol. Edit...and be a knock out too :D
 
VancouverAngel said:
In all honesty - it rarely works out. But then I suppose most relationships don't.
Actual statistics are scarce, and there are many variables the largest of which is probably country. From personal observation I'd guestimate that about half the marriages make it.
VancouverAngel said:
The lady is generally desperate to get out of her country, and sees marriage to a foreigner as the only viable option. She generally will either say or do whatever necssarry to legally get in.
Of what country are we speaking Somalia?
I principally know about Eastern Europe and women are open to foreign partners for a number of reasons, such as a woman with a small child being "used goods" and "almost unmarriageable" rather than economic hardship which is in fact not really that great a problem by the standards of the country for most of those looking.
VancouverAngel said:
She definatley 'settles' in terms of what she is looking for as a partner
I will to some extent agree with you on this point.
Most marriages unless one is wealthy as Cresus, or politically powerful
and quite physically attractive as well, involve compromise and "settling," one's spouse is seldom what one would have ordered from the "Stepford Company." You can't have everything, those whose marriages are successful tend to have chosen what was truely important to them in a spouse.
VancouverAngel said:
Of course it can work - but like any relationship, it requires honesty and openess to be successful.
On this point I wholeheartedly agree. I would also add that it helps to have an interest in her culture and it's history, cuisine, culture etc. . . if you could give a fig about Bulgaria - why on earth would you want to marry some from that Country? If you are going to demean her faith tradition - or insist that your's is superior do you expect the marriage to last? If refuse to eat Borsch and despise stuffed cabbage leaves, and always complain that it isn't what you are used to - do you expect the marriage to last?

Finally be aware that there is a great deal of hope and longing out there and it becomes easy to ignore "danger signals" and also to do a lot of projection e.g. "they don't really mean X," "oh they will change when they see how much I love them" . It's easy to say oh that would never happen to me. But believe me I've seen many very intelligent people from several different countries do it, and I did it myself.

Also one needs to be realistic. If you are forty-five, is it wise to try to marry a twenty-three year old? If you look like most of us, is a super model really going to be happy with you? I'm not saying that relationships like these absolutely won't work, what I am saying is that cross-cultural marriages have additional hurdles that marriages with someone from the same background as yourself don't have, and the greater the number of differences you stack up the less likely the marriage will be happy and lifelong.
 
james t kirk said:
There are plenty of women in Canada who are decent women and want to get married. The problem is that short fat bald really ugly guys with poor hygiene and bad breath are only interested in some 5'10" gazelle legged beauty. The only such women who may be interested in his sorry ass is some desperate to get out chick from a coal mining town in Siberia. And even then the second she's legal, she's going to leave you and sponsor Vasily (the permanently drunk but somehow appealing 6'2" strapping coal miner from Norilsk to come and be with her.)

Do you really think that she's going to fall in love with the inner you?

Be serious.
Captain this goes to the point I made (after you'd posted) that one needs to be realistic. If you are forty-five, is it wise to try to marry a twenty-three year old? If you look like most of us, is a super model really going to be happy with you? I'm not saying that relationships like these absolutely won't work, what I am saying is that cross-cultural marriages have additional hurdles that marriages with someone from the same background as yourself don't have, and the greater the number of differences you stack up the less likely the marriage will be happy and lifelong.
 
I have to add this....

Most think marriage needs to be--or should be long term...but old Larry King..that TV talk show guy..been married 7 times :p I hear him say that each marriage was right for him at that time of his life..even the 48 hour one..I believe thats how long they stayed to together once married...he can't talk much about it..she sued him to not speak about it.
 
there is a stigma associated to MOB's because you are looked at as some sort of freak who can't find it in your own backyard...precisely because only "short fat bald really ugly guys with poor hygiene and bad breath" go for these kinds of options. I imagine although this is the perception, it is not the reality.

Is it a viable option? I had started a thread on marrying overseas earlier and consensus was that if you cover your bases from having everything taken away from you beforehand, why not? She may leave you after she has settled in here...so will a girl who is also from here. On the other hand, she may also appreciate you for giving her a different option out of her life and it may in fact work out.

Conclusion - for sure if it was right, things clicked in that moment....but if one is to do it, just be smart about it. Point is, there is not more gaurantee that she wont leave you with someone who is already a citizen than one who is not.
 
indefine said:
there is a stigma associated to MOB's because you are looked at as some sort of freak who can't find it in your own backyard...precisely because only "short fat bald really ugly guys with poor hygiene and bad breath" go for these kinds of options. I imagine although this is the perception, it is not the reality.
From the couples I know it is far from the truth.

The stigma is ironic because who even raises an eyebrow if the couple getting married yesteday say they met through a dating service such as e-harmony or perfect-match, or some more bespoke service that matches up professionals in Toronto, rather than at a cocktail party or a friend's wedding.
 
To some, meeting people through a dating service or the internet is off-putting because you didn't meet them in 'real life.' What I am saying is, and I wholeheartedly agree with you Aardvark, that there really is no difference in the way you meet your SO, whether it be through a friend, through match-making or mail order services. Its what happens after the introduction that is important, and thats between the two people involved.

Again, I say, you meet someone in your own country doesn't mean its going to be any better than someone you chose out of a catalogue. Both have tremendous potential to love you dearly, or leave you in a heartbeat, no?

So if one method is easier or more comfortable for you than others, then why not?
 
Even though observation that many MOB marriages don't work out, I really wonder if those stats are any worse than with a North American woman. I can see some cultural differences (as well as our Canadian winters) might be tough. So maybe if there is some things that make such a couple compatible, then it might work.

Interestingly enough, I was having coffee with a Pakistani guy and an Arab guy. They were talking about how they would never a Canadian woman, even if she was of their ethnicity. One of them was telling about how he was on the phone with a friend and this friend was busy cleaning their bathroom toilets. They were laughing at this because they claim that if this friend married an overseas woman rather than a Canadian woman, he would never have had to clean toilets. The one thing that really blew my mind was during this conversation at the coffee shop, the Pakistani's wife (from overseas) was sitting with us smiling the entire time like she was in agreement.
 
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Is there a Fiancé Visa in Canada (like the USA http://www.thestar.com/comment/columnists/article/255449 ) , so you can get to know the person or do they have come here on a tourist/ business visa (if they are coming from a country where entry visas are needed, such as Russia)? From what I read it appears not: http://www.borderconnections.com/faq.html
`There is no fiance visa category in the Immigration Refugee Protection Act and Regulations. The only categories available are spouse, common-law partner and conjugal partner.

I guess you can get to know them in their home country, but from what I have read, you are financially responsible for them, for quite some time.

Would a prenuptial agreement work here, if they are a foreign national when they arrive, etc.
 
Warning from my divorce lawyer...

When my lawyer handed over my divorce papers years ago the first thing he said was:

"Now DON'T do something stupid and go to Cuba looking for a wife..."

He'd represented a couple of guys who'd gone overseas. Those women were GONE as soon as they had permanent status in Canada :o

As others have pointed out, if some hot overseas babe is interested in an old Canadian guy there's a REASON, and it ain't coz we're the love of their life.
 
RogerRabbit said:
Is there a Fiancé Visa in Canada like the USA
No.
RogerRabbit said:
from what I have read, you are financially responsible for them, for quite some time.
True.
RogerRabbit said:
Would a prenuptial agreement work here, if they are a foreign national when they arrive, etc.
Perhaps in part. 1) It would not work against the Government of Canada if your ex went onto Social Welfare, you'd still be on the hook financialy 2) it might not work against your ex unless (and this is not ironclad) they had their own lawyer - who spoke their native language a) the Pre-nuptual was in their own language and it was accurate and agreed with the official language version b) They were not in any way coerced - Courts have previously held that "you don't sign I won't marry you" may be coercion, and in in the U.S. "you don't sign you have to go home" definately is coercion.
 
ExoticSpirit said:
I imagine that one of the main reasons why many of us hobby is because we've had enough of your typical attitudes of North American based women here.

Tell me about it. Our women have become bitter sourpusses and I wouldn't touch them with a 10-ft pole. It's so sad that our females have turned like this. Foreign women are okay but please watch out with Russians and East Europeans, they are "awakened" and are hard gold-diggers. Stick to asian, latin or middle eastern women.
 
Music_Box said:
Russians and East Europeans, they are "awakened" and are hard gold-diggers.
Some of that is cultural Russians are not pushovers - if you are looking for Asian deference you won't find in in Russia.
Part of it is also generational, there is a rather sharp divide between Eastern European women over about 33-35 and women younger than that.