Lockdowns Lost Touch With Reality

"COVID-19 is now killing fewer Canadians per day than the daily average from pneumonia and the flu"

If that is true, then it's because extreme safety measures - lockdowns, vaccinations, masks, etc - have worked.

Without those measures the death toll, as well as other health issues from covid infections- would be like 10 or 20 times worse.

Canada dead: 26.054
USA dead: 601,000

The US was a colossal covid19 response failure.
 
Stuff we been saying for months

More people die of the flu than covid so why is border still closed?


Most of us think Canada is doing a great job handling the pandemic. If you are not happy, pack it up and move along to Texas or if you're an old man, then I'm sure there is a spot in Florida that would make you a happy old man. Just stay away from Miami, the ladies there definitely do not need to put up with you!
 
A) I dunno why you continue to post this nonsense. Not only did lockdowns not prevent deaths (StatsCAN proves this) but there is tons of anecdotal evidence that a huge spike in deaths is coming due to medical reasons (those who missed things like heart check ups or cancer screenings while hospitals locked down) plus the obvious opioid and suicide deaths. At best you have delayed the wave but its on its way.

To the contrary many news sources have started to emerge that alot of Covid deaths were unnecessary as many were caused by lack of care for people who hid from going outside and others who were subjected to elder abuse.

B) Even if you were correct (you are not) you do understand that living 2 years in a bomb shelter is not living? Might not make a diff to someone such as yourself but most people ENJOY things like having dinner with friends, visiting relatives, travel etc. Just because you are alone and friendless don't project to the rest of us.
 
A) I dunno why you continue to post this nonsense. Not only did lockdowns not prevent deaths (StatsCAN proves this) but there is tons of anecdotal evidence that a huge spike in deaths is coming due to medical reasons (those who missed things like heart check ups or cancer screenings while hospitals locked down) plus the obvious opioid and suicide deaths. At best you have delayed the wave but its on its way.

To the contrary many news sources have started to emerge that alot of Covid deaths were unnecessary as many were caused by lack of care for people who hid from going outside and others who were subjected to elder abuse.

B) Even if you were correct (you are not) you do understand that living 2 years in a bomb shelter is not living? Might not make a diff to someone such as yourself but most people ENJOY things like having dinner with friends, visiting relatives, travel etc. Just because you are alone and friendless don't project to the rest of us.

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A) I dunno why you continue to post this nonsense. Not only did lockdowns not prevent deaths (StatsCAN proves this) but there is tons of anecdotal evidence that a huge spike in deaths is coming due to medical reasons (those who missed things like heart check ups or cancer screenings while hospitals locked down) plus the obvious opioid and suicide deaths. At best you have delayed the wave but its on its way.
Lockdowns absolutely prevent deaths.
Proof? Australia, enuff said.
Another proof? Even our mediocre "lockdowns" allowed us to have 3x less deaths per capita than US.

B) Even if you were correct (you are not) you do understand that living 2 years in a bomb shelter is not living? Might not make a diff to someone such as yourself but most people ENJOY things like having dinner with friends, visiting relatives, travel etc. Just because you are alone and friendless don't project to the rest of us.
If we have proper lockdowns like Australia, each lockdown would only last 2 to 3 months, and then everything would go back to normal.
Lockdown is never done properly in Ontario (never enforced), and "flatten the curve" approach is fundamentally wrong. That's why we were having this prolonged lockdowns, which could been prevented.
 
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A) I dunno why you continue to post this nonsense. Not only did lockdowns not prevent deaths (StatsCAN proves this) but there is tons of anecdotal evidence that a huge spike in deaths is coming due to medical reasons (those who missed things like heart check ups or cancer screenings while hospitals locked down) plus the obvious opioid and suicide deaths. At best you have delayed the wave but its on its way.

To the contrary many news sources have started to emerge that alot of Covid deaths were unnecessary as many were caused by lack of care for people who hid from going outside and others who were subjected to elder abuse.

B) Even if you were correct (you are not) you do understand that living 2 years in a bomb shelter is not living? Might not make a diff to someone such as yourself but most people ENJOY things like having dinner with friends, visiting relatives, travel etc. Just because you are alone and friendless don't project to the rest of us.

From the same thread i referred you to:

What is obviously clear is due to lockdowns:

1) serious vehicular accidents & deaths are way way down
2) flu deaths & serious complications have decreased tremendously
3) C-19 ill health & deaths are far less due to the lockdowns
4) likewise probably other communicable diseases (e.g. tuberculosis, HIV) have been greatly reduced by the extreme safety measures in place
5) street crimes have probably been highly reduced.
6) families have been able to spend more time together enjoying each others company while free from the slavery of that 4 letter word "work" that the vast majority hate. Giving more time for quality of life activities like sex & various entertainments.
7) abortions (child murder) are probably down.

http://www.therxforum.com/showthread...1#post13211637
 
More people die of the flu than covid so why is border still closed?

Show me the day to day stats.
Because "today's number is lower than the annual average from flu" is some pretty disingenuous bullshit from that writer.
 
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The official Canadian source for flu deaths if you want to view raw numbers is here:

Yes, so as of the last info they have published (mid may) right now there are ZERO cases and ZERO deaths so more people are dying of COVID.
Glad we agree.
 
Yes, so as of the last info they have published (mid may) right now there are ZERO cases and ZERO deaths so more people are dying of COVID.
Glad we agree.
In addition.
" In weeks 17 to 20, no influenza-associated hospitalizations were reported by participating provinces and territories. To date this season no influenza-associated hospitalizations were reported by participating provinces and territories."
 
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In addition.
" In weeks 17 to 20, no influenza-associated hospitalizations were reported by participating provinces and territories. To date this season no influenza-associated hospitalizations were reported by participating provinces and territories."

Like I said, comparing it to the daily average over the year from flu is disingenuous bullshit
 
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If we have proper lockdowns like Australia, each lockdown would only last 2 to 3 months, and then everything would go back to normal.
Lockdown is never done properly in Ontario (never enforced), and "flatten the curve" approach is fundamentally wrong. That's why we were having this prolonged lockdowns, which could been prevented.

I just can't walk by. Is Australia your ideal? But it seems to me that this is an example of complete disregard for standard human rights under the pretext of medical measures. Just read the news, blogs of ordinary people. No, I don't want everything to be like in Australia. I already see serious consequences in ordinary things. My little brother graduated from college. Even before that, he had no special illusions about working right after school. But now I am sitting with him and trying to help fill out the information for the resume - https://resumewritinglab.com/cashier-resume.html A resume for a cashier to get one of the easiest (albeit responsible) jobs. And what will happen next? The entire service sector was simply swept away with a broom and thrown into the trash .. I'm not even talking about the significant difficulty in getting access to medical care in cases of moderate complexity (atrial fibrillation, allergies, shortness of breath).
 
Is Australia your ideal? But it seems to me that this is an example of complete disregard for standard human rights under the pretext of medical measures.
Yes, Canada should model after Australia for preparation of the next pandemic.
Public health measures absolutely adhere to Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedom, as evidenced by recent court ruling on challenge of mandatory quarantine hotels.
I believe everyone should have to right to live - if Canada achieves the death rate of Australia - 23,000 lives would have been saved, in additional to thousands and thousands who are spared the trauma of ICU admissions and hospitalization.

Why is Australia's lockdowns better than Canada's mediocre lockdowns?
If you implement proper lockdowns like Australia, it will only be short pain for 2 to 3 months. Then lockdowns are lifted and everything would be back to normal life (except traveling).
There is no prolonged lockdowns like Ontario - because flatten the curve does not work, and you can never lift lockdowns except this time we are lucky that we have vaccines.

I'm not even talking about the significant difficulty in getting access to medical care in cases of moderate complexity (atrial fibrillation, allergies, shortness of breath).
I have to disagree with that. Medical care has never stopped, lockdowns do not apply to healthcare and medical clinics. Unless you need elective surgery - that was the main problem area. OTOH, urgent surgeries and things like cancer treatment were business as usual.
If anything, minor things are more easily dealt with using virtual care.
And the ER has never closed to deal with any emergency problem.
 
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