The Ontario Liberals were elected to a minority government on Thursday evening, and barely four hours after polls closed are already hard at work to break one of their biggest promises - to not work with the NDP to prop them up. Shame on them! And shame on the voters who elected them!
Liberals elected to minority - breaking promises already
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Well all I can say is that Hudak snatched defeat from the jaws of victory. If he couldn't win this one he should do the honourable thing and pull and Iggy Exit.
They won't even need to work with the NDP, they will get their support instead of bringing down a government.
McGuinty is free to do as he likes for a few years, then I imagine he'll pass the reins to a fresh leader before the next election.
McGuinty is free to do as he likes for a few years, then I imagine he'll pass the reins to a fresh leader before the next election.
))))Do you know something the rest of us don't, because I know of no declared deal or any evidence that one is about to be announced. The being said it was the single stupidest promise Dalton made in the election. Tactically working well with smaller Party lets you eat a portion of the vote. This was true in Sask when thier was an NDP government coalition with the libs, and in the Ontario with the Peterson Liberal minority where he ate Bob Rays lunch in the next election after the accord. Look at the opposite, Martin outside of that one Budget vote acted like a total goof and refused in all his arrogence to work with Jack. Martin was tossed out in the next election and Jack went up. When Iggy back out of the coalition the federal liberals dropped to third!
If Hudak was smart he'd ignore his own retarded promise and cut Dalton off at the knees and offer Harwath a much better deal. The benifits would be many fold, one it softens up his image and helps to banish Harris lite comments, two they have common ground on the HST, three giving into Andrea's promise to fund 50% of transit with a fare freeze would massively help him in Urban and Suburban areas were he got his ass kicked, taxes would be trickery, but a small corporate tax increase exchange for a small business and low income income tax cut might be a trade off he could get away with. A jobs comminioner is super easy to give on too. In exchange he gets to be premier and maybe gets his chain gangs and some other stuff.
They, or any other party for that matter , has ever said they would not work with the other parties, they said they would not form coalition with them, which is different.
Parties don't always disagree on all policies, and not all members of a given party agree with all of their parties policies, so assuming all the liberals are in attendance they only ever need 3 votes from the opposing parties to pass any bill.
I was amazed that after the significant polls months ago saying that it was time for a new government that the Liberals managed to win including almost winning in a couple NDP 'safe seats' in TO.
I agree. There was certainly a desire in Ontario for a change in government. Partly because we're in the midsts of a difficult economic situation, and partly because eight years is a long time, maybe time to let someone else have a chance.
So Hudak started out the race as the default choice, I think. A lot of people wanted to vote for him. The polls showed that I think, he was leading.
But then people started paying attention, getting to know who he was, and the reality is that he is a horrible candidate. He says inane things. He doesn't appear to have a spine. He talks about taking fairly radical action, but without having any sort of plan.
I think if the PC's had run somebody credible, somebody who actually had a vision they believed in, somebody who seemed like they had a clue, then they would have won the election by default.
It's definitely the case that Hudak lost this, more so than that McGuinty won.
It would make more sense to pick an NDP speaker. The PC's, out of the gate, are talking about refusing to co-operate with the government, while the NDP are at least saying that they want to collaborate.
It doesn't make sense to elect the speaker from a party that doesn't want the legislature to work.
Partially right.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speaker_of_the_House_of_Commons_of_Canada#Tie-breaking_votes
As Speaker, the vote must be cast to allow the continuation of debate, or to maintain the status quo. Thus, the Speaker voted in favour of second reading, "to allow the House time for further debate so that it can make its own decision at some future time."
There is no mention of the provincial speaker, but I have no reason to think it's different.
Can you force someone to the post of speaker if they refuse?
Also the NDP/Cons have 54 seats to the libs 53 so this is a silly idea as the NDP nor the cons will vote for a non liberal speaker. Total red herring. The can't force a tory or dipper speaker if they could it wouldn't be a minority.
Also the NDP/Cons have 54 seats to the libs 53 so this is a silly idea as the NDP nor the cons will vote for a non liberal speaker. Total red herring. The can't force a tory or dipper speaker if they could it wouldn't be a minority.
Lol. If those chain gangs really make a dent in our property taxes for public services, it'd be a great thing but it's a minor issue. I supported the C's & don't mind Hudak but I'm not enamored with him.
The Liberals promised to not have any secret deals with the NDP in order to prop up their government, and within hours of the close of polls, they were doing exactly that.
They do continue to deny it, but they're still doing it. I have spoken with people who have been involved with the discussions.
