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Liberals courting religious vote
Charles Lewis, National Post
Published: Monday, June 01, 2009


The federal Liberals are making a deliberate attempt to woo religious groups after years of "benign neglect" by the party, Liberal MP John McKay says.

Mr. McKay, an evangelical Christian, said Liberal leader Michael Ignatieff asked him to start meeting with religious leaders across Canada to find ways of including them in the national discussion.
 

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and you are surprised why.

The Liberals will go anywhere and say anything to get elected.

Just like all the other parties
 

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I'm surprised because this was something the Conservatives have made a real effort to tone down from some of their wacky western constituents and the Liberals are now actively pursuing some of the same people.

The last guy to reach out to religious groups was John Tory provincially with spectacularly bad results.

Does this mean Liberal stances on gay marriage and abortion will change if they are courting the Catholic Church ?

I always get that quesy feeling in my stomach when people mix religion and politics. I thought Iggy was smarter than this.
 

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So much for the division of Church and State.

BS
I think thats an American notion.
 

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train said:
I'm surprised because this was something the Conservatives have made a real effort to tone down from some of their wacky western constituents and the Liberals are now actively pursuing some of the same people.

The last guy to reach out to religious groups was John Tory provincially with spectacularly bad results.

Does this mean Liberal stances on gay marriage and abortion will change if they are courting the Catholic Church ?

I always get that quesy feeling in my stomach when people mix religion and politics. I thought Iggy was smarter than this.
Tory would have been OK if he'd just paid lip service to religious groups but he really crossed the line when he promised to fund faith based schools. I also dislike any linkage between church and state but maybe Iggy feels he can make a few empty overtures towards religious groups and pick up a few votes without inhaling. I would be very surprised if this was anything more than a ceremonial exercise designed to soften attitudes in Western Canada.
 

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This should be no suprise to anyone. Today's "Liberal values" are really a lack of values. Liberals don't stand for anything and simply go with whatever popular opinion is at the moment.

A liberal says, "Tell me which way the people are marching so I can get in front of them and lead them."
 

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train said:
You hope.

The guy that's spearheading this is an MP from Scarborough and he has all the earmarkings of a religious wingnut.

http://www.nationalpost.com/news/story.html?id=1650066
It looks like that McKay guy is the one pushing this but he at least seems clear about the dangers of mixing politics and religion. If what he says in the article is true, Iggy might be able to allow more dialogue with religious types without making any foolish promises. There are plenty of social justice issues where religious organizations with their community involvement and do-good volunteers line up quite nicely with the Liberal agenda. If they can engage these organizations on the basis of youth problems, poverty etc, they might even drum up a few political donations.....

..."He [McKay] acknowledged that there is a fear among more secular citizens that any outreach to religious groups could be misconstrued as breaching the societal norm of keeping church and state separate. "Religion and politics is a pretty dangerous mix," he said. "We don't want to get into a position where we're talking to you because we're only concerned about how you'll vote. I'm more concerned that we have that space there for religious groups to have their say. Freedom from religion is not the same as freedom of religion."

Mr. McKay recently met with Thomas Collins, Roman Catholic Archbishop of Toronto, who has often argued religious people are unfairly pushed to the fringes of society even though many of them donate their time to charitable works.

"It's important to recognize that religious people, believers, exist in our community.... They serve generously, motivated by their religious faith. They give generously and they are citizens and taxpayers," Archbishop Collins said recently. "People of faith have earned a place at the table by their devoted service.... They walk the talk and therefore it would be very odd indeed if their values, which motivate them to do so much good, are marginalized."
 

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slowpoke said:
If they can engage these organizations on the basis of youth problems, poverty etc, they might even drum up a few political donations.....

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Do you think it would be proper if the Anglican or Catholic Church made political donations ? Personally I'd be pissed if I thought the money I put in a collection plate was going to any political party.

How about a donation from the Council of Muslim Communities ?

I don't know maybe it's all ok but........
 

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train said:
Do you think it would be proper if the Anglican or Catholic Church made political donations ? Personally I'd be pissed if I thought the money I put in a collection plate was going to any political party.

How about a donation from the Council of Muslim Communities ?

I don't know maybe it's all ok but........
I have reservations about this too. Lots of "maybes" and "buts" and a very slippery slope.

I hope the Anglican & Catholic churches would have more sense than to throw money at the Libs. But the volunteers, activists and do-good organizations seem to occur at a lower level or on the edges of the official church hierarchy. If a group of volunteers wanted to be heard over some burning social justice issue, the Liberals could at least listen and nod. Activists want to be heard and understood. If the Libs can engage them and appear sympathetic to their worthy causes, they could easily get votes and donations.

The trick is to entertain only groups who are engaged in worthwhile and acceptable causes - people you wouldn't mind supporting if you got elected. The Salvation Army is a good example. The Libs could play footsie with their volunteers over poverty, rehabilitation, homeless shelters, battered women and a whole basket of worthy causes. The only ideology needed is wanting to help people. It is all about optics and positioning.
 

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slowpoke said:
The trick is to entertain only groups who are engaged in worthwhile and acceptable causes - people you wouldn't mind supporting if you got elected. The Salvation Army is a good example. The Libs could play footsie with their volunteers over poverty, rehabilitation, homeless shelters, battered women and a whole basket of worthy causes. The only ideology needed is wanting to help people. It is all about optics and positioning.
Well I hope you are right although I'm not sure the organizations you talk about are the same that McKay is targeting about. Hopefully it's the last we hear from either the Conservatives or Liberals on this.
 

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train said:
Well I hope you are right although I'm not sure the organizations you talk about are the same that McKay is targeting about. Hopefully it's the last we hear from either the Conservatives or Liberals on this.
It is impossible to know WTF this McKay guy is really up to. It sounds harmless enough but anything is possible. My interpretation is probably a best-case scenario but I really can't see Iggy being dumb enough to take this religious angle very far.
 
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