Letter from a "pervert."

[Yoga Face]

why are the rights of men (or women) TO PAY FOR SEX not part of the debate????

because we have no organization standing up for our rights and politicians will not do the right thing unless pressured

why is there no group advocating for johns rights ???

Actually, there is one in Vancouver but i forgot the website

Does anyone know what it is???

WE NEED TO ORGANIZE AND MARCH AND ISSUE LEGAL CHALLENGES THE WAY SEX WORKERS HAVE AND JOIN FORCES AND CHANGE SOCIETY

 

[oneshot8]

why are the rights of men (or women) TO PAY FOR SEX not part of the debate????

because we have no organization standing up for our rights and politicians will not do the right thing unless pressured

why is there no group advocating for johns rights ???

Actually, there is one in Vancouver but i forgot the website

Does anyone know what it is???

WE NEED TO ORGANIZE AND MARCH AND ISSUE LEGAL CHALLENGES THE WAY SEX WORKERS HAVE AND JOIN FORCES AND CHANGE SOCIETY

Good luck raising this army

 

[Yoga Face]

Good luck raising this army

does need an army
it only took a very small percentage of sex workers to organize and change things

 

[oneshot8]

does need an army
it only took a very small percentage of sex workers to organize and change things

While I support the cause, I doubt you would find 5 Johns on this board that would publicly support the bill. From what I can tell, all of the major agencies and Massage parlours aren't even banding to do anything even though they have more to loose than you or I. They should pool their resources to fund a lobby group and an advertising campaign to shift public opinion. Instead, I feel they are in denial, hoping for the best. Sadly, when the new law hits it will be too late to take action.

 

[DB123]

This thread is fucking downer...I was hoping for some lighthearted whimsy based on the title

 

[GPIDEAL]

Hello fellow Terbites.
OK, here's where I'm at. Let me take this opportunity (my last) to share a bit of "personal" info.
I'm a somewhat shy person, and an academic, a bit of an egghead I guess you could call me. I'm not very good with small talk and have not been very good at meeting new people, especially women, who tend not to be very interested in me, although I'm not bad looking, not overweight. I've kept myself in pretty good shape, and despite being in my late fifties, I still have most of my hair.
My wife left me nine years ago. She took off with a colleague we used to have over some times for dinner. When she said that "Ed" needed a girlfriend I didn't think she met herself. Anyway, I have relied on escorts for human companionship and intimacy. Otherwise I'd have gone stock raving mad. Now, according to my government, I'm not only a criminal, but I'm also a pervert. So, loneliness and need for intimacy will soon, if this wretched bill passes, make me a criminal. My need for the company of a pretty woman that I don't have to play games with or promise the world to has made me a pervert.
So, if this bill passes and becomes law, I can't afford sex tourism and I will have no one. So, I've decided I'll run myself a nice warm bath, pour myself a glass of my favourite wine, and take almost a year's worth of prescription sleeping pills.
I must admit I've been trying to keep myself together, but I've been crying off and on now for several days, alone, not in public, not at work, and I can't face the prospect of having to break the law so I won't be alone.
I hate this bill, I hate this government, I hate Peter McKay, Stephen Harper and their sanctimonious hypocracy. I hope they burn in Hell.

Please don't Fallsguy.

I'm divorced for many years, and have gotten used to bachelorhood again. The hobby makes it easy to have companionship or exciting sex without the usual anxiety and pitfalls of attaining or maintaining a monogamous relationship. Life is truly like a box of chocolates.

You're too smart and self-aware to be leaving this world, which at times can be harsh.

Too expensive to become a sex tourist? Au contraire. If you can afford to hobby in Canada, then Cuba is even cheaper. Visit Havana*, and I guarantee that you'll meet someone who will knock your socks off, and make you feel like a king (or dictator lol).

Finally, speak to your doctor about your depression or any suicidal thoughts. Help is out there, but don't lose hope. It's not the end of the world. For the most part, even if the law is passed, there will be more of an outcry. I also feel that your existing regulars will still be around to service you in a discreet and non-incriminatory fashion.

Good luck and stay in touch with the rest of us.


*Review the threads about hobbying in Cuba or ask myself, Hilfiger, Senor Don Draper, The Fruity Hare and others for advice.

 

[Yoga Face]

While I support the cause, I doubt you would find 5 Johns on this board that would publicly support the bill. From what I can tell, all of the major agencies and Massage parlours aren't even banding to do anything even though they have more to loose than you or I. They should pool their resources to fund a lobby group and an advertising campaign to shift public opinion. Instead, I feel they are in denial, hoping for the best. Sadly, when the new law hits it will be too late to take action.

someone in a position to do so, perhaps a lawyer or some organization, needs to lead

the vast majority are not in a position to lead

 

[johnhenrygalt]

I found it surprising that its the older generation who are more willing to legalize the practice than the younger generation; given that the younger generation seems to be more liberal-minded.

It shouldn't surprise you. The "Nordic model" is straight out of the left-wing liberal playbook.

 

[rhuarc29]

No. They can't empathize because for most of them sex is free and easy to get. Can't can't empathize with people like the OP and me because they look down on us as losers. Granted getting older might help a bit in that regard as youth have never been too much for deep empathy.

I'm in my early 30's, and even I'll admit that's quite true.

We've been hammered into believing prostitution is an evil and unnecessary part of society, that human trafficking is rampant, and that anyone involved in the trade is undeserving of understanding. Though, that has more so been directed at the purchasers lately, because the providers are most often viewed as victims. If you go in believing johns are evil, it's much harder to have empathy for them! Is it any wonder few stand up for johns' rights?

 

[legmann]

Again, this needs to be framed in terms of a tacit attempt by government to legislate morality, in terms of the larger implications it has for personal liberty and freedom. Those are very real concerns and valid arguments that can be made, and listened to by others.

Frame this solely as an argument for 'john's rights' and you are likely to get nothing but laughed at.


Some of you guys are still thinking a bit too narrowly on this issue: it's not about 'you', it's about our collective personal freedom - and that is something anyone can get behind.

 

[D-Fens]

We don’t know how this new law, if it even passes as it is, will play out in our area.

Demien2k5 suggestions in his thread are good to prepare for the worst case scenario.
https://terb.cc/vbulletin/showthread.php?484743-Food-for-thought-for-the-guys-going-forward

Should really try to save up some money to go on holidays in a place like Cuba. A 4 hour flight, a week off and about $1000, and your eyes will open to a new world. Most guys travel alone, and it is easy to hook up with other experienced guys once you are there if you go to the right resorts. It might be mentally difficult to go for the first time, but once you become accustomed to everything it is easy.

we should organize tours lol who wants to go to cuba with me next summer? lol

 

[lovelatinas]

You may feel alone but you are not on this sentiment. It is obvious they really don't care about the prostitutes nor the customers - only a deep yearning to try and turn all society into a WASP society as they enjoyed watching on 1950's TV.

Gee Wally like Leave It To Beaver?

 

[D-Fens]

Well some people would prefer to die rather being shamed and having his picture published in newspapers on the list of perverts Johns caught in undercover police string .
This is what they publish in the US newspapers:
http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/104-johns-nabbed-nassau-county-pay-sex-article-1.1361717

Well I'm more scared of employers running criminal background checks and not being able to find a job then what people would think of me if they found out I went to prostitutes. If people judge me, or if my friends didn't want to see me anymore, I would tell them to go to hell. I'm not scared of people finding out I hobby. I'm more worried about not being able to find work with a criminal record.

and these idiots used backpage what a surprise.

I'm not dumb enough to fall for shit like that. I never use backpage. Cops aren't that smart it's just the criminals they catch are really stupid.

 

[Yoga Face]

fallsguy, send your letter to the sun


they will put it in letters to editor page

 

[DB123]

Is anyone concerned that the OP has gone AWOL?

 

[nottyboi]

Hello fellow Terbites.
OK, here's where I'm at. Let me take this opportunity (my last) to share a bit of "personal" info.
I'm a somewhat shy person, and an academic, a bit of an egghead I guess you could call me. I'm not very good with small talk and have not been very good at meeting new people, especially women, who tend not to be very interested in me, although I'm not bad looking, not overweight. I've kept myself in pretty good shape, and despite being in my late fifties, I still have most of my hair.
My wife left me nine years ago. She took off with a colleague we used to have over some times for dinner. When she said that "Ed" needed a girlfriend I didn't think she met herself. Anyway, I have relied on escorts for human companionship and intimacy. Otherwise I'd have gone stock raving mad. Now, according to my government, I'm not only a criminal, but I'm also a pervert. So, loneliness and need for intimacy will soon, if this wretched bill passes, make me a criminal. My need for the company of a pretty woman that I don't have to play games with or promise the world to has made me a pervert.
So, if this bill passes and becomes law, I can't afford sex tourism and I will have no one. So, I've decided I'll run myself a nice warm bath, pour myself a glass of my favourite wine, and take almost a year's worth of prescription sleeping pills.
I must admit I've been trying to keep myself together, but I've been crying off and on now for several days, alone, not in public, not at work, and I can't face the prospect of having to break the law so I won't be alone.
I hate this bill, I hate this government, I hate Peter McKay, Stephen Harper and their sanctimonious hypocracy. I hope they burn in Hell.

Who did you vote for?

 

[GPIDEAL]

Again, this needs to be framed in terms of a tacit attempt by government to legislate morality, in terms of the larger implications it has for personal liberty and freedom. Those are very real concerns and valid arguments that can be made, and listened to by others.

Frame this solely as an argument for 'john's rights' and you are likely to get nothing but laughed at.


Some of you guys are still thinking a bit too narrowly on this issue: it's not about 'you', it's about our collective personal freedom - and that is something anyone can get behind.

Brilliant and I concur!

Here's a comment on the Right To Liberty within the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms:

Liberty

Secondly, there is the right to liberty, which protects an individual's freedom to act without physical restraint (i.e., imprisonment would be inconsistent with liberty unless it is consistent with fundamental justice). However, the right has been extended to include the power to make important personal choices. The court described it as "[touching] the core of what it means to be an autonomous human being blessed with dignity and independence in matters that can be characterized as fundamentally or inherently personal." (R. v. Clay, 2003) That is, the concept extends beyond physical restraint by the government as it goes to the core of the human experience.

 

[GPIDEAL]

We don’t know how this new law, if it even passes as it is, will play out in our area.

Demien2k5 suggestions in his thread are good to prepare for the worst case scenario.
https://terb.cc/vbulletin/showthread.php?484743-Food-for-thought-for-the-guys-going-forward

Should really try to save up some money to go on holidays in a place like Cuba. A 4 hour flight, a week off and about $1000, and your eyes will open to a new world. Most guys travel alone, and it is easy to hook up with other experienced guys once you are there if you go to the right resorts. It might be mentally difficult to go for the first time, but once you become accustomed to everything it is easy.

I went with two guys from work who normally travel there. They were like my personal bodyguards. But it`s pretty safe in Havana (don`t walk down some dark, isolated street but that applies everywhere).

You can do it alone but it`s always good to go with a friend.

 

[GPIDEAL]

Well some people would prefer to die rather being shamed and having his picture published in newspapers on the list of perverts Johns caught in undercover police string .
This is what they publish in the US newspapers:
http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/104-johns-nabbed-nassau-county-pay-sex-article-1.1361717

It proves that johns are from all backgrounds and walks of life.

The shaming of johns is absolutely deplorable and despicable.

They should focus on true exploitation and human trafficking, not going after honest johns who are decent folk.

They should also go after real criminals instead of wasting taxpayers' money.

 

[GPIDEAL]

Who did you vote for?

Great! Why don't you rub it into the guy who has suicidal tendencies.

Sounds like you'd vote for the Communist Party just for the sake of hobbying.

The federal Cons have now crossed the line, and they will have to face the plebiscite on this in the next election.

It would be more productive to persuade those who voted C in the past to change their vote, then to chastise them, as they may dismiss you.