Let's play "Where's Rob?"

[Polaris]

This thread is hilarious!

Last couple of days, reading the newspapers, the whole city knowing Rob Ford is in re-hab in an undisclosed location, and the all papers have Rob Ford stories.

The fact is ... Rob Ford campaign for mayor is in limbo, until he decides to return and run again. That is not confirmed.

But Toronto's anti-Ford Nation, is screaming like they've been given a super wedgie.

They still want to get him. Even in re-hab, they still want to get him. Like he is still a clear and present danger.

This is too funny!

This is so bizarre. If an out of action Rob Ford in re-hab is still a clear and present danger to the collective leftist or progressive minds of Toronto, then what will happen if a real conservative with a brain appears on the scene?

For the record, I would like to state that the City of Toronto should immediately build a re-hab center on Center Island so that our mayor is closer to his place of employment. The added benefit it would save the press the hassle of finding him.

No need for a tax increase for this project, just rip it off, reallocate funding from the police, parks and rec, and the fire department to erect the Toronto Rob Ford Re-hab Center. To be built adjacent to Hanlan's Point. The Committee of Adjustment will soon hold public hearings on this application, according to the chairperson of the committee Paula "The Prude" Fletcher.

:hippie:

 

[fuji]

"Nobody gets cured from alcoholism"???? Really? So once and alcoholic, always an alcoholic in your books right?

Absolutely. Every single AA member will agree with that statement, including the guys who are thirty years sober, they are still alcoholics taking it one day at a time.

Alcoholism is a life long addiction. It NEVER lets go. People can learn how to make changes in their life and their thinking and they can lead fulfilling lives without drinking. But they all know they are still alcoholics. Knowing that they are alcoholics is what helps them avoid alcohol.

 

[Boober69]

Absolutely. Every single AA member will agree with that statement, including the guys who are thirty years sober, they are still alcoholics taking it one day at a time.

Alcoholism is a life long addiction. It NEVER lets go. People can learn how to make changes in their life and their thinking and they can lead fulfilling lives without drinking. But they all know they are still alcoholics. Knowing that they are alcoholics is what helps them avoid alcohol.

So how much time needs to go by with Ford being sober before anyone stops referring to him as an alcoholic or a crack head? The unfortunate answer is no one will ever stop. So what's the point of debating whether he's in rehab or not or if it will help him or not?

 

[Boober69]

I'm not sure it's about time with people .. it's about his level of commitment. Many people feel there is no way he would have chosen rehab at this particular time if a second video hadn't surfaced. I tend to agree with them. That is not the right way to start a process of rehabilitation and experts say he will most likely fail because of that.

Physically it takes 3-14 days to detox. Rehabilitation takes longer, months or even years. It's about finding the reason for the addiction and resolving the issues.

For people to start having sympathy, respecting his privacy and offering support it will take him clearly and publicly making a commitment to treatment for both drug and alcohol issues and that hasn't happened yet.

How does someone make a commitment publicly? He did make a public statement:
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/rob-ford-s-statement-on-leave-of-absence-1.2627937

Do people seriously need a weekly or monthly report on his progress or something? Doesn't that contradict providing someone with privacy?

 

[fuji]

So how much time needs to go by with Ford being sober before anyone stops referring to him as an alcoholic or a crack head? The unfortunate answer is no one will ever stop. So what's the point of debating whether he's in rehab or not or if it will help him or not?

We haven't even seen whether he has even honestly got to step one and truly admitted he has a problem, and isn't just saying what he thinks everybody wants to hear. Addicts talk a lot about changing their ways etc, as a ploy to keep people from leaving them. It doesn't mean shit until they start trying to clean things up for themselves.

He has a long journey in front of him, one it isn't even clear he is on yet.

I have heard nothing from him about joining a support group, getting a sponsor, doing some soul searching, making changes in his life and outlook, making amends to those he harmed.

He needs a year or two, honestly, and that is assuming he tries. Politically speaking, I think people are going to want to see a track record of sober and responsible behavior over a long period of time, like a year or two, before they will trust that he isn't going to go off the wagon again in another week.

Nobody is going to take his word for it, he will have to prove it, and that is going to take a looooong time, when you consider how many years he was lying and covering it up.

 

[destillat]

Cured is a relative term. Never drinking again or being able to actually control it can be considered cured. Especially if an individual does not relapse into the dependency and abuse that they came from.
The tendency is for people to write off anyone who is an alcoholic in that they think they could slip back into the abuse at any time so they are forever labelled.

You're an idiot...
So a diabetic who manages their condition with a proper diet is considered 'cured'?

 

[Boober69]

You're an idiot...
So a diabetic who manages their condition with a proper diet is considered 'cured'?

I wasn't referring to diabetics Mrs. Destillat. I was referring to alcoholics. Diabetes is a physical ailment. Alcoholism is primarily psychological.
Now shouldn't you be getting back to removing that thing in your ass while doing some googe searches on celebrities entering/exiting rehab clinics?

 

[destillat]

I wasn't referring to diabetics Mrs. Destillat. I was referring to alcoholics. Diabetes is a physical ailment. Alcoholism is primarily psychological.
Now shouldn't you be getting back to removing that thing in your ass while doing some googe searches on celebrities entering/exiting rehab clinics?

Wow... so a psychological ailment is 'less of an ailment' than a physical one, hey?
I guess you don't have any family members under that rock with you that have depression or schizophrenia.

The enter/exit rehab issue has been beaten to death in other messages... now you're just trolling.

 

[IM469]

"Nobody gets cured from alcoholism"???? Really? So once and alcoholic, always an alcoholic in your books right? I'm sure there would be thousands of former alcoholics lined up to smash an empty whiskey bottle over your head for that statement. Idiot.

My brother in law spent 30 years in and counselling for AA. If you ask him - he will tell you that he is an alcoholic even though he hasn't drank in over 30 years. There is no cure - the idea is that you accept that and stay away from the booze.

It is the denial of being an alcoholic or that there is a problem that keeps an alcoholic (e.g. Rob Ford ) from constantly getting drunk.

 

[Viggo Rasmussen]

It isn't being a drunk that bothers me, many great leaders like Winston Churchill or Sir John A. Macdonald were serious drinkers.
It's the asshole part that I don't want representing Toronto, and there's no cure for that.

Now it turns out he can't even visit the USA, what kind of moron on here would vote for a guy that is kept out of such an important country?

 

[IM469]

While in self-imposed temporary exile, the mayor admitted he’s in kind of a working rehab.
“I asked for my calls sheets and I am making calls to constituents,” he said. “I am getting help but I still want to help.”

Less than a week and he is calling press conferences - obviously he is not taking it seriously. Usually in AA an important first step is admitting that you have a problem. In all the references to the clinic and his decision to get away - I still do not see him acknowledge that he has a problem.

If the decision to go to rehab is because he was forced to go and not that he really thought he should be there - he will get bored and because he doesn't acknowledge the problem, he will be out in a few weeks. He will slip into his old habits soon after the election if not before.

Hopefully he will catch on that he needs help and stop with the press conferences and start getting help.

 

[Perry Mason]

You would never call me a Ford supporter. I dislike the man, his ideas, his policies, his dishonesty, his sense of entitlement, his dissimulation...

But he is a human being dealing with a very difficult problem, so I think he deserves a chance.

As for American immigration, they can and often act like real assholes!

Perry

 

[fuji]

You would never call me a Ford supporter. I dislike the man, his ideas, his policies, his dishonesty, his sense of entitlement, his dissimulation...

But he is a human being dealing with a very difficult problem, so I think he deserves a chance.

As for American immigration, they can and often act like real assholes!

Perry

Except he has now taken to campaigning from rehab. Someone who is who focused on their personal issues does not do that. Is he supposed to be able to give press conferences and campaign but nobody can talk about what he is doing?

 

[groggy]

You would never call me a Ford supporter. I dislike the man, his ideas, his policies, his dishonesty, his sense of entitlement, his dissimulation...

But he is a human being dealing with a very difficult problem, so I think he deserves a chance.

As for American immigration, they can and often act like real assholes!

Perry

He had a chance.
He admitted he smoked crack and promised he'd never do it again.
How many times do you trust a crackhead?
How many chances to you give a drunk?

He needs to earn the next chance, he should bow out of politics and live one year dry and not on crack before he should be even allowed back on the ballot.
Certainly he never would give any of his opponents or any city employee even that much of a chance as we've seen in the past.

 

[oldjones]

Cured is a relative term. Never drinking again or being able to actually control it can be considered cured. Especially if an individual does not relapse into the dependency and abuse that they came from.
The tendency is for people to write off anyone who is an alcoholic in that they think they could slip back into the abuse at any time so they are forever labelled.

You've been the one pumping hardest for 'Robbie's just suffering from an illness', so you really should take a moment to learn and understand that illness, and how one lives with it. Like AIDs there is no cure, as anyone in AA—the most successful and copied program for living with addiction—will tell you.

You can consider staying dry 'cured' if you want, just as I can consider Rob a lazy, lying, criminal, drug-abusing drunkard, and foul-mouthed, racist homophobe and misogynist. But either view is just a personal opinion until we discuss and agree what's real, and what can be done; truth is the common ground in between. Supplying the argument you then pretend to counter, as you again did above, will never get anyone there, try listening to that other view and responding to what was said instead of what you made up.

PS: Although I stopped drinking over a decade ago and never joined AA, I'm an alcoholic. Just like I'm still hooked on nicotine although I quit tobacco in the '80s. Thanks for telling me I'm cured, but I know myself better.

 

[fuji]

He is making constituent calls, giving press interviews.

This is a sham.

 

[Insidious Von]

Robbie must be Superman if rehab is amazing, Tom Hardy says it's gruesome.

Robbie will be clean and sober in a month, it took Tom over two years before he could get his career back on track.

 

[Insidious Von]

There's always hope for addicts if they're willing to make the necessary sacrifices.

Tom is proof of that!

 

[Boober69]

Wow... so a psychological ailment is 'less of an ailment' than a physical one, hey?
I guess you don't have any family members under that rock with you that have depression or schizophrenia.

The enter/exit rehab issue has been beaten to death in other messages... now you're just trolling.

I'm not sure who you are quoting Mrs. Destillat but I never said one was less or more of an ailment. My point was that they are different seeing as you brought up the diabetes example.
Stop trying to make an argument out of misquoting others. Makes you look foolish and desperate.

I have discredited you on the rehab enter/exit topic as you had so forcefully thrown at me and now you want to continue challenging me with other topics?
And I'm the one who is trolling?
Who's the one who started with the name calling?
Look in the mirror Mr. Troll...
...and get that thing out of your ass!

 

[destillat]

I'm not sure who you are quoting Mrs. Destillat but I never said one was less or more of an ailment. My point was that they are different seeing as you brought up the diabetes example.
Stop trying to make an argument out of misquoting others. Makes you look foolish and desperate.

I have discredited you on the rehab enter/exit topic as you had so forcefully thrown at me and now you want to continue challenging me with other topics?
And I'm the one who is trolling?
Who's the one who started with the name calling?
Look in the mirror Mr. Troll...
...and get that thing out of your ass!

First of all... make up your mind on the Mrs. or Mr. part...

Secondly... YOU Sir Troll are the one that has been discredited MANY MANY times on the rehab issue... clearly you are of the same mind (probably share a mind) as His Fattiness when it comes to definition of 'rehab facility'... they are NOT hotels, cottages, sibling's basements, or spas... If you're too stupid to get that, then maybe you need the assistance of a 'facility'.