Lets meet the 12 people who determine Trumps fate
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That's nice...but considering I was responding to the post about dissecting everything about the jurors and not about what choice was made about judge vs jury, my comment still stands in that context.
But thanks for checking up on me.
the way I see it this trial is the election. Most independants will not vote for a convicted felon. Now there are several variables which come into play. Trumps lawyers know they only have to have the support of one of the 12 jurors for Trump to claim victory. The jury tainting has been going on since these charges were laid. If say juror #2 is convinced that this is the political hit job Donnie keeps saying it is, he might decide to vote not guilty, not based on the same evidence that put Cohen in jail but on his feeling that Trump shouldnt be prosecuted for these crimes. It will be another OJ defense where the defense will be based on discrediting the prosecution, not deny the vast amounts of evidence. Hopefully the charges stick, if he is found guilty of misdemenor fraud, he will claim that as proof of his claims.
I agree with absolutely everything you say. Yet I see this trial as an absolute win/win situation for Trump. This guy has defrauded everyone for more than 40 years now. He knows how to take advantage of the chaos.
If he is charged they will still elect him as a way to say fuck you to the world.
If he is not charged he will brag his 'victory' so much that he will win the necessary margin.
What a fucking shit show 4 more years of Trump will be!
Just from these descriptions (which are really vague snapshots but give a bit of insight into possible demographic livelihoods.......
Jurors 2,3 and eight are possible Trump voters. 1 and seven possible neutrals who will weigh the evidence primarily. The rest I thiank are probably honest folk as well, and while they will try to do the job, could find themselves colouring their deliberation.
So really 3 shots at a hung jury politically, with 2 others evidence dependent on what and how is presented in court.
Im not so sure that all these charges have helped him with independents - it was most likely Republicans who were going to vote for him anyways mouthing off as usual, pretending they might not vote for him but now they are for sure. The problem with Donnie is everyone knows he is a deeply flawed man but they like his policies so they will vote for him no matter what he does. The independents most likely will take his criminal personality into account and not vote for him even though they dont like Bidens policies.
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Donnie says he will tesitfy so you know he wont. He lies about everything
Sleepy don falls asleep in court again - did he piss himself or was it a wet dream of Ivanka?
LMAO
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CNN Legal Analyst Warns Throwing Trump in Jail Will Lead to "Civil Unrest" "I think the whole world is watching this hoax. You got a DA that’s out of control. You have a judge who is highly conflicted. The whole thing is a mess." A CNN panel broadly agreed that Donald Trump should be put into jail or at least put into a holding cell for violating a "gag order" but there was a risk of "civil unrest." JIM ACOSTA: You know, I was talking to Joey Jackson yesterday and he said, you know, after that Truth Social post where he was quoting Jesse Watters and he’s sort of insinuating that people are lying their way into the jury, which prosecutors say that that violates a gag order. Joey Jackson was saying, maybe it’s time for the judge to send a message. Trump put him in the holding cell for a couple of hours, see if that changes his mood. What do you think? ELLIOT WILLIAMS: Absolutely! The problem is that it’s not clear how much authority that the judge has to just do that. The judge, at a minimum, has to have a hearing under New York state law. It’s not the judge being weak or feckless or afraid of Donald Trump. The law says that there’s a process that he has to follow. And now the question is, is it civil contempt where you’re trying to compel him to behave better in the future, is a criminal contempt where you’re locking him up for things he’s done in the past, which is much harder and almost, in effect, requires a separate trial. My big question is, why is the judge waiting until the 23rd? I guess four days from now? To even have that hearing in the first place. He could he could have done so yesterday or today to really send that message that this is important to the court and this conduct needs to stop. JIM ACOSTA: Yeah. Mark, I’m wondering how does it change the race? We saw what happened when he had the mug shot. That fired up his base. Obviously, it wasn’t really necessary at that point, it kind of wrapped up the nomination. But if he actually has to go into a holding jail cell, what does that do? Do we even know? I guess we don’t know. MARK PRESTON: You know, I don’t think we know, but it really does put us between this rock and a hard place. Right. And and the rock is like, listen, he has done something that’s wrong. And if it was any of us sitting at this table, would we be, you know, held to a higher or was held to a higher standard? Would we have to go, you know, into that holding cell? I think that if he does go into this hole, if that were to happen, first of all, I think you would probably see civil unrest across the country, certainly in some cities. That’s 1. And 2 politically, if I’m the Biden campaign, I don’t want to necessarily see him in jail because that’s just going to get people more inflamed and more fired up. I don’t think that’s necessarily great for the country, even if we are bending the rules for someone. CNN legal analyst Joey Jackson appeared with Jim Acosta on-air on Thursday and explicitly argued for Trump to be thrown in jail. Donald Trump on Friday argued that the judge in the criminal trial needs to lift the gag order so that he can exercise his rights as a defendant and as a leading presidential candidate to speak out against injustice.
