Let them die

[lenny2]

You're right. I'll sit back and eat my last bit of dog food today. Thanks to this covid vacation, I can finally live the high life!

Dog food? In Canada even those on Welfare just got an incredible $300 a month increase. Food banks received many millions to help feed the hungry. The government has donated many billions more. People can't be evicted, so if you don't pay your rent you still have a home. And i see no stories in Canada about anyone eating dog food, though i came across this one:

https://www.theloop.ca/ontario-man-makes-a-dog-food-so-good-even-you-will-want-to-eat-it/

"Over 2 million people worldwide have died of hunger already this year. Over 10 million from abortions. We need more deaths to take those seriously."

 

[TeeJay]

Sweden is not doing well. 887 deaths vs 260 in Denmark.

Sweden with no real lockdown has 887 deaths
Canada with an insane lockdown has 600 deaths

We crippled our economy and told people not to go outside and for what?


Korea has only 214 deaths and people are still going outside for sports and concerts
Japan has 98 deaths
Australia has 59 deaths

The thing you notice in most of the death spikes is that the countries had horrible conditions in old age homes where most people died (eg look at Quebec, more than 50% of their deaths are old sick people, many of whom never set foot outside so why are we doing this stupid quarantine)

 

[lenny2]

Sweden with no real lockdown has 887 deaths
Canada with an insane lockdown has 600 deaths

We crippled our economy and told people not to go outside and for what?


Korea has only 214 deaths and people are still going outside for sports and concerts
Japan has 98 deaths
Australia has 59 deaths

The thing you notice in most of the death spikes is that the countries had horrible conditions in old age homes where most people died (eg look at Quebec, more than 50% of their deaths are old sick people, many of whom never set foot outside so why are we doing this stupid quarantine)

What's the problem? Are you that eager to get back to your 9-5 M-F slave-work drudgery?

Maybe instead relax & start enjoying the governments' all expenses paid weeks (months? years?) long holiday you've been gifted with?

If the government wants to make 50% or more of the people permanently dependent on their free money gifts & grant them an endless holiday to "eat, drink & be merry", why protest?

Just say "goodbye" to drudgery & non essential stuff (businesses, etc) & "hello" to the joys of an endless vacation!

P.S. Word is that air pollution is down due to fewer sky & road vehicles & less people are dying in car accidents.

P.S. #2 The COVID-19 crisis is quite a bit more complex than your post may suggest. Why not quit playing the pretend expert & leave it to the real experts who have recommended the shutdown measures.

 

[Smallcock]

The government has donated many billions more. People can't be evicted, so if you don't pay your rent you still have a home. And i see no stories in Canada about anyone eating dog food, though i came across this one:

You and shack appear to be of the belief that short term gain (mini vacation with government money that will need to be paid back one way or another) for long term pain is the best way forward. It's not.

Did you watch the video above? If we want nobody to die from car crashes we would reduce the speed limit on all highways to 30km/hr. We'd be safe, but the economy would suffer. This is the kind of cost/benefit analysis we do as a society all the time. Likewise shutting down global economies because 0.6% of people might die is inexcusable. You will have more deaths and more suffering and more mental illness by laying waste to the economy than to covid.

 

[fictionfactor]

What's the problem? Are you that eager to get back to your 9-5 M-F slave-work drudgery?

Maybe instead relax & start enjoying the governments' all expenses paid weeks (months? years?) long holiday you've been gifted with?

If the government wants to make 50% or more of the people permanently dependent on their free money gifts & grant them an endless holiday to "eat, drink & be merry", why protest?

Just say "goodbye" to drudgery & non essential stuff (businesses, etc) & "hello" to the joys of an endless vacation!

P.S. Word is that air pollution is down due to fewer sky & road vehicles & less people are dying in car accidents.

P.S. #2 The COVID-19 crisis is quite a bit more complex than your post may suggest. Why not quit playing the pretend expert & leave it to the real experts who have recommended the shutdown measures.

that reminds me, we have saved so much carbon, reduced a ton of pollution...…………………..so I will assume the government will remove the carbon tax, this lockdown has reduced more pollution than anything else, nicely done...…...once we are done this, plans of living off the grid may be in order

 

[shack]

You and shack appear to be of the belief that short term gain (mini vacation with government money that will need to be paid back one way or another) for long term pain is the best way forward. It's not.

Talk about being obsessed. I have never commented on the relative effectiveness of either country's plan. My only comment was statistical, stating how much each gov't contributed. I quoted statistical facts. Zero opinion. I dare you to find a post where I stated an opinion. If not apologise.

I think you have Shack Derangement Syndrome.

 

[lenny2]

You and shack appear to be of the belief that short term gain (mini vacation with government money that will need to be paid back one way or another) for long term pain is the best way forward. It's not.

What long term pain? Fewer people suffering & or dying in car accidents? Less poor quality air due to the absence of air & road vehicles & factories pumping out shit? Less disease (with the associated illnesses & deaths) being transported to every nation on the planet due to planes being grounded?

Did you watch the video above? If we want nobody to die from car crashes we would reduce the speed limit on all highways to 30km/hr.

Yes, i watched the interesting video. Thank you. It opined that road fatalities would be eliminated at a speed of 5km/hr.

If we want nobody to die from car crashes we would reduce the speed limit on all highways to 30km/hr. We'd be safe, but the economy would suffer. This is the kind of cost/benefit analysis we do as a society all the time. Likewise shutting down global economies because 0.6% of people might die is inexcusable. You will have more deaths and more suffering and more mental illness by laying waste to the economy than to covid.

I'd suggest that the reason we allow the present speed limits & deaths thereby is not because of the economy but because we value people's individual liberty & their freedom in the pursuit of happiness. So if a person wants to risk their life being seated in a motor vehicle going 50, 100 or 200 km/hr, that's their choice, just as others are at liberty to not do so.

These comments are from a related conversation i had recently (& i quote myself, with my remarks in quotation marks below):

"Government could try to ban all kinds of things to save lives, but they don't, not for the sake of the economy, but because they've sworn an oath to the constitution to uphold individual liberties & the pursuit of happiness, even in cases where people prefer or enjoy higher risk activities or occupations. Occupations such as high rise window cleaning & construction, military service, law enforcement, professional athletes in contact sports, etc. Activities such as skydiving, bunging jumping, mountain & cliff climbing, alcohol use, etc.

As i've said before lowering the speed limit isn't going to stop deaths via people travelling. They'll still die due to travel methods even if cars were completely banned. They'd still die travelling by planes, bicycles, horse riding & walking. So where do you draw the line? How many deaths are acceptable? How low do you reduce the speed limit? And what about people's liberty & freedom in the pursuit of happiness? If people want to risk their lives in motor vehicles, that's their choice & on them. They don't have to. And the government isn't going to force it on them due to the oaths they've taken.

What government has ever stated they've decided to sacrifice lives on the highways so large commercial vehicles can move fast?"

http://www.therxforum.com/showthread.php?t=1155741&page=8&highlight=liberty

I'm saying by not lowering the speed limits so save people from dying on the interstates, local/state/federal authorities are telling you overtly lives lost in car accidents are acceptable in order to keep things flowing.

"That's your assumption, pure speculation with absolutely nothing to back it. Far more reasonable & likely is what i've been telling you:

They could try, just as they tried to shutdown the production & sale of alcohol at one point decades ago. Whether or not the people would accept a 10 MPH speed limit is unknown. BTW, other measures are being taken to save lives such as air bags, safer cars, police patrol, loss of licences, banning cars in cities, etc

You introduced car deaths with your analogy with the present COVID-19 crises, which you have long ago given up on arguing.

You also didn't explain the governments contradiction as per:

It's being alleged that governments are secretly conspiring to sacrifice lives to car accidents rather than lower the speed limit to 10 MPH in order to benefit the economy. Yet it is also being alleged these same governments are sacrificing the economy to save lives from dieing from COVID-19. So can't these governments make up their minds? Are they confused. Do they want to save lives or save the economy? Or is it that at least one or both of those allegations is wrong. Where is the evidence that governments have decided to sacrifice innocent children in car accidents in order to boost the economy? Where has any government ever stated anything like that?"

http://www.therxforum.com/showthread.php?t=1155741&page=8&highlight=liberty

 

[lenny2]

that reminds me, we have saved so much carbon, reduced a ton of pollution...…………………..so I will assume the government will remove the carbon tax, this lockdown has reduced more pollution than anything else, nicely done...…...once we are done this, plans of living off the grid may be in order

I have to wonder if air travel will significantly wane in the future after the economy opens up & things get back to normal, relative to how things were pre COVID-19.

Maybe that would be a good thing in helping to reduce the spread of diseases all over the earth.

 

[gundam789]

I have to wonder if air travel will significantly wane in the future after the economy opens up & things get back to normal, relative to how things were pre COVID-19.

Maybe that would be a good thing in helping to reduce the spread of diseases all over the earth.

This pandemic is the direct result of the greed of airline companies.
Instead of saving for a rainy day they kept buying their own stocks over and over to inflate them and make more money.
If the go under I could care less.

 

[lenny2]

This pandemic is the direct result of the greed of airline companies.
Instead of saving for a rainy day they kept buying their own stocks over and over to inflate them and make more money.
If the go under I could care less.

My sentiment also.

Stay safe.

 

[Carvher]

That has absolutely nothing to do with it, zero, Nada. The indigenous people are the rightful owners of North America. Everyone who came later should be forcefully removed. TI me to go back to Europe, Asia or where ever their ancestors came from.

If you study history you will quickly realize that nobody has the right to own or occupy any land. Every square inch of this planet has had numerous people occupying it overcthe years including north America. Do you think the natives were never at war? They were constantly at war with each other. Also, they themselves came from Asia so does that mean Asians should have a right as well? Fact is that the only land you have the right to occupy is the land you can militarily defend. The natives couldn't defend it so they lost it. That's how it works, got to get over it and move on or you can keep crying to your mother that it's not fair.

 

[glamphotographer]

Wipeout %50 of his voting base.