Let-s-rate-the-johns-instead

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Read this article in Now today, an SP complains about TERB and being reviewed, while she has a couple of points overall most of it is BS IMHO.

https://nowtoronto.com/news/let-s-rate-the-johns-instead/

WHEN IT COMES TO ONLINE REVIEWS FOR SEX WORK, LET'S RATE THE JOHNS INSTEAD
On the Yelp for sex workers, comments have turned into cyber pissing matches that are some of the most absurd writing on the internet


When I was out of the sex trade, I still kept an eye on it, kind of like those retired Mediterranean tradesmen who lurk at the periphery of construction sites shaking their heads at all the newfangled technology.

When I got back in the business five years ago, I set up a website but promised myself that I would not bow to one seemingly inescapable trend in sex work: online reviews. The Toronto Escort Review Board has been running for many years, and while many review boards started with men simply leaving perfunctory messages to one another about their encounters with workers, the boards have has since turned into Yelp for sex workers.

Men strut about on the boards bragging explicitly about their conquests. For women working in places where sex work is criminal, these details may provide evidence of illegal activity and, if they're exaggerated, create awkward negotiations or situations with potential clients.


A woman who is precariously employed can't necessarily afford to be picky, but I was certain I would not be interested in a self-identified hobbyist with an uninspired screen name like Kingpussyslayer69 boasting about how he regally slayed my pussy.

No, no, my pussy would not be discussed publicly in such terms. My pussy would have what is known online as an NRP (no review policy).

Despite this request, I did receive one review in the MILF section of a site, and I have to be honest, I was absolutely gobsmacked by its contents.

This fellow said I give a good blow job, in his top three, apparently. This is an outright lie. I give a terrible blow job. My technique is really better described as oral castration.

Also, I'm not a MILF. I'm more of a TILF. As I have terminated a pregnancy, I am a terminator you'd like to fuck.

Reviews may have been useful for clients when they first began popping up online to confirm that the worker was within reasonable range of her description, that you left satisfied and so on.

But the problem is, many of the most active reviewers are not actually what sex workers define as great clients. They might use your services once and then spend the next three years waiting for a worker's other reviews to pop up, chiming in and cyber-pissing on the writer with their superior or inferior experience.

Over the years, these review boards have turned into competitive displays of some of the most unintentionally absurd writing on the internet.

Etched in my mind is one client stating he had to post his evaluation quickly because another provider was knocking at his door. Sir, are you a war correspondent? Is the news so urgent that you can't wait a few hours to file your copy? It's an escort review, not the invasion of Poland.

I imagined him ticking through his current session, unable to focus on his next overwrought missive because he couldn't wait to receive the cyber-high-fives from his coterie of virtual flâneurs on the last one.

Because I find these reviews offensive, my opinion may be taken to imply that sex work isn't like other service work and shouldn't be subject to consumer scrutiny. But the truth is, I don't like anything that has the potential to take more control out of the hands of already precariously employed women. Internationally, prescriptive sex work laws already endanger us enough.

And my conversations with workers suggest that in so many cases, reviews do more harm than good. There is too much opportunity, in a business that remains criminalized, for manipulation and exploitation.

Can you imagine if someone booked me based on my stellar blow job review and ended up paying me to scrape 10 layers of skin off his dick?

Workers also complain that when they decide to go offline with their services, they're forced to take down their entire internet presence in order to get the major review sites, which make money by hosting these explicit appraisals, to remove their reviews.

Some reviewers claim to only provide "tasteful" details of their encounters with sex workers. Fair enough. But this points to a more generalized judgment on female sexuality, setting itself against that which is commonly understood as "tasteless."

So, for example, when someone describes a nude photo as tasteful, we may take that to mean that no inner pussy is revealed, or perhaps that the woman's expression is simply neutral, no ecstasy. When we use the word "tasteful," in a subtle way we are once again arbitrating the complexity of women's sexuality and women's bodies.

Several years ago, another worker told me about a friend who had a distinct scar that a client mentioned disapprovingly on online review boards. It had an unbelievably negative impact on her business.

Stuff like this can be traumatizing and costly. A worker may have to completely rebrand herself to get away from these comments, which are often online forever.

I don't like that sex workers have to worry that their business - one they choose for a variety of reasons, though it's often because other opportunities are not accessible - could suddenly be impacted by this type of nitpicky bullshit.

Review boards affect the work climate more generally, in that women who prefer not to be publicly evaluated become practically invisible if they are not part of this very specific conversation.

Sex workers may discover that although their best and most regular clients are not very active on review boards, many read them anyway to garner information. So if you're not enthusiastically spoken about in great detail, you stand to lose business.

But what I most detest are clients who state at the end of a favourable assessment, "Treat her right, gents." As if it's through their good graces, their magnanimous release, that a sex worker will be properly treated. Or as if there is any other fucking way to treat a sex worker.

The French feminist philosopher Luce Irigaray devised the term hom(m)osexuality. "Reigning everywhere although prohibited in practice," she argued, "hom(m)o-sexuality is played out through the bodies of women, matter or sign, and heterosexuality has been up to now just an alibi for the smooth workings of man's relations with himself, of relations among men."

Irigaray's words sum up the climate on review boards perfectly: guys knocking dicks with each other, showing off for each other, knowing their most coveted audience is watching and that they have found a way to insert themselves between her professional sexual currency and her earnings.

Gratifying for those of us who have refused reviews all along are the women who have begun to make their own public evaluations of these men, branding them "slobbyists" and taking their grievances to Twitter feeds like @FCK_TER_ and @ShitPunters. Have a read. Scintillating stuff.

Fleur de Lit is a pseudonym.
 

I commented on false advertising, there is nothing wrong with that, and I appreciate all on this board that do, that is what it is for and it is the reason I joined this board. I think the message of the article, is sometimes you have to read through the bull shit. A lot of SP's are remarkable and get a lot of positive reviews, others not so much. Further I did not accuse anyone. I was posting a point of view with an article which I did not totally agree with. Your comment makes no sense, I just spoke the truth, if you disagree, then that is okay by me. It does not relate to the article.
 
I commented on false advertising, there is nothing wrong with that, and I appreciate all on this board that do, that is what it is for and it is the reason I joined this board. I think the message of the article, is sometimes you have to read through the bull shit. A lot of SP's are remarkable and get a lot of positive reviews, others not so much. Further I did not accuse anyone. I was posting a point of view with an article which I did not totally agree with. Your comment makes no sense, I just spoke the truth, if you disagree, then that is okay by me. It does not relate to the article.

I was not debating the merits of the article as much pointing out that it could be directed at you.
 
I was not debating the merits of the article as much pointing out that it could be directed at you.

Sorry that my comments offend you, but the truth sometimes hurts, and so does false advertising, fake pictures, time wasters, etc., then yes I am guilty (as well of as 90% of terb members who have been misled at one time or another), but proud of it. Don't forget a review is someone's opinion, if you do not like it then go for it and post your opinion. The article could be posted against all of us, that is why I posted it. I am not going waste my time to go through your history, but I am sure there is some negativity somewhere.
 
Rating the Johns Instead - There are not a lot of businesses that think it is a great idea to rate their customers...It kind of ends up biting them in the ass.

Mind you, I could never work in the sex trade as I just do not have the mental will power to do it. I would end up turning away too many customers who are gross and disgusting, I would get pissed off at reviews that are outright lies, I would have no tolerance for customers who wanted more than what they paid for...It's a nasty trade and I tip my cap to those who can do it.

The writer does have a good sense of the scene and a sense of humor. Many years ago I was a member of a couple "invite only" boards and they were generally a twisted mix of bravado and self loathing which to me, were a collection of people who took this scene way too seriously.

She does raise some valid points though, and many of those points are generally not acknowledged on these forums.
 
Rating the Johns Instead - There are not a lot of businesses that think it is a great idea to rate their customers...It kind of ends up biting them in the ass.

Mind you, I could never work in the sex trade as I just do not have the mental will power to do it. I would end up turning away too many customers who are gross and disgusting, I would get pissed off at reviews that are outright lies, I would have no tolerance for customers who wanted more than what they paid for...It's a nasty trade and I tip my cap to those who can do it.

The writer does have a good sense of the scene and a sense of humor. Many years ago I was a member of a couple "invite only" boards and they were generally a twisted mix of bravado and self loathing which to me, were a collection of people who took this scene way too seriously.

She does raise some valid points though, and many of those points are generally not acknowledged on these forums.

Well said, my point for posting the article! As stated, I agree with some of her points, but question others. It is her point of view.
 
Rating the Johns Instead - There are not a lot of businesses that think it is a great idea to rate their customers...It kind of ends up biting them in the ass.

Almost EVERY business rates their customers - you just not may be aware of it; banks, phone companies, any biz with a loyalty program. Uber is very upfront about it - you can check your own rating.

So to think that SPs don't rate YOU isn't realistic.

But, I generally agree with the NOW article. A board like TERB can be very useful to both SPs and clients, but it's pretty clear who the "ego" posters are on here.
 
How can you rate anonymous "johns" ?? lol remember C-36?

Review boards are a necessary evil; without them we are back in the "bait and switch" or "pimp robbed me" days.
but I totally agree honest ladies that feel offended by reviews should request NRP
 
Almost EVERY business rates their customers - you just not may be aware of it; banks, phone companies, any biz with a loyalty program. Uber is very upfront about it - you can check your own rating.
Very true. Banks and stockbrokers are the best (or worse depending on POV). They know to the penny how much or little revenue they get from you. Why would the SP industry be any different?

Telecommunication companies are always trying to upsell.
 
it's pretty clear who the "ego" posters are on here.
Well, that is hardly in doubt. And I have to feel it's those posters (however in the minority) that generate much of the hate by SP's towards review boards.

Almost EVERY business rates their customers
This isn't every other 'business'.

Review boards are a necessary evil; without them we are back in the "bait and switch" or "pimp robbed me" days.
Agreed.
 
Sounds like a disgruntled sex worker who hates her job (or to be more accurate, doesn't like the fact the job isn't what she *wants* it to be--Honey, it never is).
 
I would hope that the ladies have their own board that we don't know about that keeps track of deadbeats, time wasters, uncouth...
If not, they should start one up and not tell us about it.
 
First off, the women in this business are selling a service. Some might argue a professional service. The second you start selling a service, you open yourself up to reviews on the internet. One need only look so far as "trip adviser" or "homestars". When I'm travelling to Europe, to a new city, and spending shit loads of money to do it, the last thing I want is to have my trip ruined by staying in a shitty hotel with bad plumbing, smelly rooms unkept rooms, in a shit neighbourhood and yet they are charging top Euro. Trip Adviser really helps to mitigate (but not eliminate) that problem. If you're running a less than 5 star hotel, or even 3 star for that matter - more power to you, but I don't want to frequent your hotel and pay 5 star prices. You are free to operate your substandard hotel, but perhaps 100 Euros might be more appropriate as opposed to 500 Euros.

Same with homestars. If I need a new main drain put in my house and I read a review on line that buddy fucked everything up, that he didn't properly lay the pipe, that he didn't compact the fill properly and the guy's floor sank, he left a huge mess, etc. etc. well, I'm not going to call him.

The thing with review boards is that they point out the cheats and the scammers. Those with good service will be rewarded for their efforts. Prostitution is no different. The trick with review boards is of course being able to read between the lines. Being aware of reviewers who are either shills (most notable in places like homestars) or those who are bashing either because they are expecting too much or they have an agenda. (With Trip Adviser for example, if a hotel has 500 excellent reviews and 3 terrible reviews, it's safe to assume that excellent is what you will get. Often times people will complain about the smallest of things. Those I discard. But if there are several reviewers posting identical issues - the rooms were in poor condition, the plumbing was not good, then I'm going to listen and avoid. The same is true of TERB. If I read several reviews of the same woman with the same items of concern, I'm not going to book an appointment. It's really that simple.

The bottom line is that women in the industry charge a lot of money (for most guys) for the experience, and as such, they have to expect that in the age of the internet they are going to get reviewed. (I personally don't believe in the No Review Policy no matter what. The second you start charging, you are fair game to be reviewed.) Even guys who make a lot of money don't enjoy wasting it on a substandard experience. To borrow a phrase, "it don't come easy". Either up your game or price accordingly. The second you start selling it, you are putting yourself out there and are subject to scrutiny.
 
First off, the women in this business are selling a service. The second you start selling a service, you open yourself up to reviews.

The bottom line is that women in the industry charge a lot of money (for most guys) for the experience, and as such, they have to expect that in the age of the internet they are going to get reviewed.
Agreed. You can't have it both ways.


Sounds like a sex worker who doesn't like the fact the job isn't what she *wants* it to be.
To an extent. I get the definite sense that there is little we can write that won't offend: most any comment, (no matter how "tasteful"), by default, implicitly objectifies, generalizes or makes judgement. And in that paradigm, we can't win.
 
I would hope that the ladies have their own board that we don't know about that keeps track of deadbeats, time wasters, uncouth...
If not, they should start one up and not tell us about it.
I agree with you Frank its only fair, but the issue still remains would you like your phone number to be shared in a public forum? Even a private forum where your number is only visable by sp's, with the current laws it is still something that would dwindle the industry.
 
Escorts are running a business and we should be free to express our opinion (bad or good) about them. On the other hand, some people have a bad habit of treating ladies like public enemy number one and get far too personal. Even worse you have people that say "worst time I ever had, stay away" and give no other reasons. Let's be clear about what we are reviewing here: a short period of intimate time you are spending with a fellow human being. Not a nameless, faceless corporation. So I think there should always be some manner of respect given.

If you must review someone just stick to the facts! There's no way any of us can verify with any degree of accuracy how good she looks, how she smells or tastes, or how good her performance is so a rating is effectively useless.

Always take things that you read online especially reviews from Amazon, eBay, Terb, etc. with a grain of salt. You have people that write basically nothing or use a subjective star or numerical rating. Then you have those that go on and on and on with an essay.

I'm wondering if capping the amount of characters in the text box would help a bit to prevent these long winded stories?
 
Sounds like a disgruntled sex worker who hates her job (or to be more accurate, doesn't like the fact the job isn't what she *wants* it to be--Honey, it never is).

Try to put yourself in her shoes. She's trying to make a living like any of us and all it takes is one review that can affect her income.