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Same, especially tattoos on the face/neck or between breasts.
Many years ago, I met a girl in a Montréal SC who had 2 full sleeves tattoos. It was thin colorful flowers outlines, with very light colors filling in in a few places. I found that amazing, even if it covered both her arms, because it was light and tasteful.
Fake anything: I like things the way nature intended them to be. Lips that look like they were cough in a vacuum cleaner are a huge turn off, same as boobs that could be used as nose protection in case of a fall.
I know some women who got a breast enhancement after having a kid "to fill'em up" and I preferred the sagging breasts to the enhancement. I like the feel of a soft breast after a woman had a kid.
Shaved bare pussy: I'm not there to have sex with a kid, I want a woman. I would have been a happier guy before shaving became a trend in the late 70s. As long as the woman isn't hairier than me or have a beard, I'm good with hairs.
For the rest, same as everybody: lies, surprise charges for options, restrictions I discovers when my pants are down and I can't run, and all the rest.
Because I would like more than a handjob. The rates for cfs and bbbj are inflated at spas relative to booking an escort off leolist.
Paying a girl and not being able to have sex with her doesn't make sense to me.
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men who think GFE SHOULD include bbbj & bb FS are big red flags for me, same with MSOG.
You’re not just paying for the service itself. You’re paying for her time, personally I include a sf2 and massage in all of my sessions so that your time isn’t rushed or wasted.
I personally don’t include anything bb in a GFE session because to me GFE more implies the connection, chemistry, her willingness to spend time with you, her attitude in session, the passion. In my personal life I use condoms always even with boyfriends, for so many different reasons. GFE shouldn’t mean bb, period, it just makes the industry and personal relationships much more dangerous for everyone involved. For example, I’m sure most of you have wives, imagine if she found out about your endeavours because of a random sudden itch one day or a provider you haven’t heard from in months suddenly shows up on your doorstep with a baby in hand… I think about every possible scenario which is why I (and I’m sure plenty of other industry women) operate the way we do. Health above wealth, ALWAYS.
however the rest of your points are quite good, although my only rebuttal would be the part about hidden fees. Some girls don’t discuss services or specific details over messages and prefer to do it face to face as their level of comfort/things they’re willing to do may be different with every client, hence why a lot of girls request a DNR because not every session is the same. Some also don’t discuss details because other girls in the industry may just be fishing for competitors, or for a number of reasons, so some (myself included) will give either a base fee or a price range and discuss in person more details. I make sure to tell people I have ranging prices and multiple options because I know not every client wants a FS session, and not every client can afford every girls FS price. Some men want to just lie there and talk, some want to massage and pleasure the woman without any pleasure for themselves, just like providers, every client is different, so sometimes it’s not necessarily a “hidden” thing it’s more of a having options thing.
Without getting to personal, I once had a regular client who fell asleep during his massage in session who would book for 2-4 hours at a time because he just wanted somewhere quiet and calm to sleep (I think he had ptsd and had trouble sleeping alone at home, he never talked about it that was just my opinion
quick thing about the nails, what if it’s their real nail just done with gel polish? With a lot of new ways of getting your nails done at a salon, some real nails may actually look fake at a first glance because of the shine or look of the polish, and I’ve found a lot of the time men think a girls real nails are actually fake
I also wonder this, is it a privacy thing or something else? The privacy thing I can understand because most spas have cameras, however the cameras are only ever there for the safety of the ladies. As much as we would all like to believe that everyone coming through a spa door is a polite and respectful gentleman, there are a lot that are aggressive and physically dangerous. I’ve worked in spas that have had to blacklist clients who have left girls beaten and bloody in a room…. So most things that make a man uncomfortable about a spa are there to make the ladies, and the men feel more comfortable and at ease
that depends on the spa you go to and the girl
Generally if the girl isn’t having to pay ridiculously high room fees or cleaning fees then they’re often more reasonable with pricing, because most girls are factoring overhead costs into their prices
Same as any business, your profit margins should always be much higher than your overhead costs (I’m not a business major so I’m not sure of the exact numbers)
Think about it, there’s transportation to and from appointments, room fees, cleaning fees, hotel fees if you’re not in a spa or incall location, LL fees plus the currency exchange (to post one ad costs nearly $50 just to post, then you have to pay to bump and upgrade it, etc), fees for supplies (cleaning, supplies for sessions, etc)
If you’re seeing a girl that genuinely cares about the experience she’s giving then a lot of money and time go into making you guys happy, even when you’re not in the room
Ok I'm not going to pick this apart, I never said anything about BBFS. Now if in your personal life you don't provide BBBJ to your boyfriend I feel bad for the guy, I don't see it as adding anymore risk than DFK. In fact I think it's lower risk than kissing and if you don't do that with your boyfriend I would be surprised.
What's the problem with MSOG? Why should someone with early ejaculation issues be short changed and punished?
Now as for only discussing services in person, that's completely up to you but if you can't give me a price and service level I'm just not going to book, and I doubt most potential clients would! For example if I book a provider for an outcall and she arrives at my condo and all of the sudden blindsides me with an upgrade menu we never discussed what do I do? Send her packing?
Yes many people book SP for companionship exclusively, it's not all about the plumbing!
Spas are nothing more than brothels, they charge a substantial amount of money to the ladies working there in exchange for a location, a bit of security and clean sheets; spas are no different than pimps that operate in plain sight. These fees are passed directly onto the clients. Price out what you would typically get from someone working out of their private residence are lower than those who work from spas.I also wonder this, is it a privacy thing or something else? The privacy thing I can understand because most spas have cameras, however the cameras are only ever there for the safety of the ladies. As much as we would all like to believe that everyone coming through a spa door is a polite and respectful gentleman, there are a lot that are aggressive and physically dangerous. I’ve worked in spas that have had to blacklist clients who have left girls beaten and bloody in a room…. So most things that make a man uncomfortable about a spa are there to make the ladies, and the men feel more comfortable and at ease
Now as for physical appearance; we shouldn't be discussing such things in this thread as it's all subjective.
- Some like tattoos and some don't
- Some like skinny women and some like curvy
- Some like enhanced bodies and others like natural
- Some like hair some don't
- Some like makeup some don't
- Some like fake nails and some don't....wait nevermind... no one likes huge fake nails.
That's fine imo, it's the long fake nails i find unappealing
I know I'm on a bit of a rant at this point and I'm being both blunt and honest in my responses.
If you peruse LL you will come across COUNTLESS provides who offer sessions with no kissing and all safe services. IMHO that's a small step up from staying at home and masturbating but still costs a substantial amount of money. The average man wants what he doesn't have at home and that's GFE. So if you want to increase your client base, get more regulars and get busy enough that you can increase your rates to maximize your revenue that answer is GFE.
If you peruse LL you will come across COUNTLESS provides who offer sessions with no kissing and all safe services. IMHO that's a small step up from staying at home and masturbating but still costs a substantial amount of money. The average man wants what he doesn't have at home and that's GFE. So if you want to increase your client base, get more regulars and get busy enough that you can increase your rates to maximize your revenue that answer is GFE.
I can definitely agree on the huge fake nails hahah I’m not a fan either, I think they look like talons, the ones I mean that may look fake at first glance are the shorter nicely shaped ones with a glossy looking finish, for example my nails are real but I get them done with a gel polish, so I’ve had people question my nails when looking at them at first, but they are in fact my real nail, just shaped nicely for back scratches while still being short enough for massages
Personally I think anything that looks extremely fake is unnecessary and unattractive. I fully agree with anyone wanting to get any kind of work done, but it should still look natural. For example lip injections if you have really tiny lips, or breast implants or augmentation, everyone should feel beautiful and comfortable in their body, but at a certain point it looks unnatural and slightly disturbing in some cases.
As for your other response, the BBFS I mentioned wasn’t because I was implying you did, I mostly meant that because a lot of men that as for bbbj ask for everything bb, I wasn’t directing that at you personally, my apologies.
Bbbj with a boyfriend however I only do after time and more trust is built. I mean no offence to any of the men here because I really do not judge, but if there’s anything I’ve learned from working in this industry it’s that a lot of men are untrustworthy. I’ve been in and out of this industry for 10 years. I’ve been smart but also lucky. I’ve seen and heard a lot of different horror stories from clients, working girls, girlfriends and wives of clients, therefore I don’t take risks like that in any part of my life, work or personal. I fully agree that things like DFK and kissing are equally as risky, which is again why girls are either more selective over who they offer it to or they just don’t offer it at all. The way I look at it you don’t have to take every precaution, everyone is different. If everyone was worried about every single risk in life we would all live in bubbles and never leave home, but if you at least minimize the risks you’re taking then you’ve got better odds.
And the discussing in person, I make sure to tell people I have many options and different price points and some add ons (kinks, fetishes, special requests, stuff like that) I believe that’s how any girl who prefers discussing in person should handle things. No one ever wants to be shocked when looking at their wallet or bank statements or when paying in session. You don’t have to be specific in messages to not blindside people
A red flag is if the profile does not have multiple positive reviews from reputable forum members explicitly describing what sexual acts were performed. I'm personally super picky with escorts I see and there is no recourse if I am not satisifed with my experience. At a minimum, I look for enthusiastic sexual intercourse with BBBJ / DAY / DFK. If an ad does not have multiple reviews confirming those sexual acts then I don't book. When I do feel the itch I end up going to Montreal where there's a lot of escorts with reviews confirming that they provide what I'm looking for.
This forums doesn't allow the discussion of BBFS so we won't even try to approach that conversation.I can definitely agree on the huge fake nails hahah I’m not a fan either, I think they look like talons, the ones I mean that may look fake at first glance are the shorter nicely shaped ones with a glossy looking finish, for example my nails are real but I get them done with a gel polish, so I’ve had people question my nails when looking at them at first, but they are in fact my real nail, just shaped nicely for back scratches while still being short enough for massages
Personally I think anything that looks extremely fake is unnecessary and unattractive. I fully agree with anyone wanting to get any kind of work done, but it should still look natural. For example lip injections if you have really tiny lips, or breast implants or augmentation, everyone should feel beautiful and comfortable in their body, but at a certain point it looks unnatural and slightly disturbing in some cases.
As for your other response, the BBFS I mentioned wasn’t because I was implying you did, I mostly meant that because a lot of men that as for bbbj ask for everything bb, I wasn’t directing that at you personally, my apologies.
Bbbj with a boyfriend however I only do after time and more trust is built. I mean no offence to any of the men here because I really do not judge, but if there’s anything I’ve learned from working in this industry it’s that a lot of men are untrustworthy. I’ve been in and out of this industry for 10 years. I’ve been smart but also lucky. I’ve seen and heard a lot of different horror stories from clients, working girls, girlfriends and wives of clients, therefore I don’t take risks like that in any part of my life, work or personal. I fully agree that things like DFK and kissing are equally as risky, which is again why girls are either more selective over who they offer it to or they just don’t offer it at all. The way I look at it you don’t have to take every precaution, everyone is different. If everyone was worried about every single risk in life we would all live in bubbles and never leave home, but if you at least minimize the risks you’re taking then you’ve got better odds.
And the discussing in person, I make sure to tell people I have many options and different price points and some add ons (kinks, fetishes, special requests, stuff like that) I believe that’s how any girl who prefers discussing in person should handle things. No one ever wants to be shocked when looking at their wallet or bank statements or when paying in session. You don’t have to be specific in messages to not blindside people
If a man is your boyfriend you have likely already established trust...if you haven't you shouldn't be jumping into a relationship at that point...but that's another conversation.
Neither of us are doctors but I'd be curious about the DFK vs. BBBJ and which has more risks associated with it. If anyone has more input I'd love to hear it!
But to answer your overall question about how to improve your business this is how:
- Be direct about pricing and what services you offer to avoid wasting time and disappointing either party.
- Understand that as an industry standard GFE = BBBJ DFK and CFS and offering it will foster more business.
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1) Where do you think most of us go that doesn't have a camera lol? Maybe some apartments/homes, sure, but most condos and hotels have lobby cameras at the least, and at least 90% of my encounters are in hotels. What about guys who screen but don't do spas? To say we don't visit spas because of privacy and cameras, aka "things that make girls safe", is blatantly false. Also, I don't know how safe I would feel if I knew my coworker was beaten bloody in the very room I'm now working in, just saying - but back to the point. The reason I don't visit spas is because you still have to pay the spa girls as much as, or more than, the independent girls while still having a door fee. Plus, with the spa girls there is a lack of reviews and I generally expect a lower level of service. Would you go to one service provider (say a lawyer) for the exact same service (same advice) and pay more just because it's a different building? I know many aren't good with money but I think that should be a no brainer. If there were an improvement in some tangible way, sure, but there isn't.
2) You can't redefine what a girlfriend is for the entire world and industry because of how you are in your personal life. Most men want their girlfriends to touch their bare penis, hence the use of that term to describe the type of session. Just say you're an all-safe non-gfe provider then I know to never contact you (not you specifically). Once someone puts GFE in their ad, but they don't offer GFE, they end up wasting both of our time.
3) In all of my relationships, 1 night stands, escort encounters and so on, I've only ever used a condom once for bbbj. I was tested a couple weeks ago and am completely clean and have never had anything in my life. If you understand transmission rates, population rates, and so on, you realize that the risk, especially in Canada, is extremely low, especially for anything serious. You incur more risk during the drive on an outcall, or us on our drive to the incall, especially in a winter storm lol. I get that due to your line of work you may hyper-focus on STD risk, but it is really quite low compared to other risks you face on a daily basis. Not to mention a condom is horrible protection against things like HSV 2/1 as the condom doesn't even fully prevent skin-skin contact and it can break. Risk is risk. If you want none, sexual abstinence is the only option.
1) Where do you think most of us go that doesn't have a camera lol? Maybe some apartments/homes, sure, but most condos and hotels have lobby cameras at the least, and at least 90% of my encounters are in hotels. What about guys who screen but don't do spas? To say we don't visit spas because of privacy and cameras, aka "things that make girls safe", is blatantly false. Also, I don't know how safe I would feel if I knew my coworker was beaten bloody in the very room I'm now working in, just saying - but back to the point. The reason I don't visit spas is because you still have to pay the spa girls as much as, or more than, the independent girls while still having a door fee. Plus, with the spa girls there is a lack of reviews and I generally expect a lower level of service. Would you go to one service provider (say a lawyer) for the exact same service (same advice) and pay more just because it's a different building? I know many aren't good with money but I think that should be a no brainer. If there were an improvement in some tangible way, sure, but there isn't.
2) You can't redefine what a girlfriend is for the entire world and industry because of how you are in your personal life. Most men want their girlfriends to touch their bare penis, hence the use of that term to describe the type of session. Just say you're an all-safe non-gfe provider then I know to never contact you (not you specifically). Once someone puts GFE in their ad, but they don't offer GFE, they end up wasting both of our time.
3) In all of my relationships, 1 night stands, escort encounters and so on, I've only ever used a condom once for bbbj. I was tested a couple weeks ago and am completely clean and have never had anything in my life. If you understand transmission rates, population rates, and so on, you realize that the risk, especially in Canada, is extremely low, especially for anything serious. You incur more risk during the drive on an outcall, or us on our drive to the incall, especially in a winter storm lol. I get that due to your line of work you may hyper-focus on STD risk, but it is really quite low compared to other risks you face on a daily basis. Not to mention a condom is horrible protection against things like HSV 2/1 as the condom doesn't even fully prevent skin-skin contact and it can break. Risk is risk. If you want none, sexual abstinence is the only option.
I couldn't have said it better !!! - Excellent Job
I have encounter many of the same BS, upgrades, told they provide the services, then not, fake pics, MSOG not provided in 1hr (well then I would have booked 30mins or 15), rushing are you done yet, etc
I chuckle these days at the $300 Ads and keep scrolling, if I am looking for a $300 girl, I am not lookin on LL, when I started $180 was expensive, I then to stick to my regulars.
Greek is high on my list (my fetish) and is not a deciding factor, doesn't have to happen on the 1st visit, but has to be a possibility for a revisit, or there has to be a good connection (GFE)
These days I don't look for the GFE as much, and its more the passion for good sex
BBBJ is import to me CBJ just isn't a turn on for me, CIM is not a requirement
BBFS is not for me, and I have declined it at times.
I stick to independents that are established, sometimes I visit hotels, but too many bad experiences.
I haven't gone down the SPA route, but its on my agenda to kick the tires sometime.
Incall is a requirement, don't do Outcalls because of my situation, and well not sure how comfortable I would be with outcalls.
I see the same provider almost weekly (if she is available)
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Yap - pretty much why SPA's are on my todo list and yet to be crossed off.
If I want to be teased and have the body slide fun, I will go to a Strip Club
Women with long fake nails, a big turn-off for me. Short, well-manicured, clean, is a big turn-on! And no tobacco stains, please!!
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