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" Legalize and regulate"

Fuck that. Legalizing and regulating would help reduce the amount of human trafficking, pimping, underage prostitution, etc. Decriminalization... not.

PROTIP: the perfectly free market in and of itself is not actually an ethical force for good, no matter what your Ayn Rand boner might say to the contrary. In fact, without checks and balances it's kinda a pretty fucking awful thing.
 
I'm not a randian, but thanks for playing.

human trafficking, for whatever reason you felt like bringing up, is still illegal regardless of prostitution's legal status. You sound like you have a chip on your shoulder.
 
Peegies said:
I'm not a randian, but thanks for playing.

human trafficking, for whatever reason you felt like bringing up, is still illegal regardless of prostitution's legal status. You sound like you have a chip on your shoulder.
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I hardly ever agree with nobody123, but I think he's right in this. Pure capitalism doesn't work for many reasons. Certainly it wouldn't work here to help protect people. While decriminalization may be better than the current system as it would shed more light on the industry, proper regulation would one up it. SPs should be licensed. SPs should get regular health checks like what is done in the porn industry. If clients could know for sure that an SP is of age, healthy, and working willingly, who wouldn't go for that over the alternative? Currently, it's a fuzzy situation.

Also, programs should be put in place so that any SP who is being exploited has an avenue of help available to her. You could use some of the tax money from the industry to help with that.

Although I'm also skeptical of the governments ability to not fuck up regulation, I still think regulation is the correct course of action.
 
Peegies said:
Like any other market, once you let government in to write up all sorts of laws, you'll regulate it out of existence. Decrim and open markets = better service and safety

Some might argue legalization and regulation is better than what we have, which doesn't fill me with confidence. We may end up arguing this forever.

http://www.businessinsider.com/sex-...izing-and-decriminalizing-prostitution-2015-6
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Like regulating money, banks, contracts and weights and measures put trade and commerce out of existence? Like trafffic laws and health regulations made cars impossible and ended food forever? Utter nonsense.

Ever since the first human grunted, "unghaaaArgh!!!" meaning, "if you wanna get that close, you gotta behave", we've had government and regulation. It's part and parcel of what makes us humans. Look at Mexico's drug cartels — which evolved their own brutal internal 'governments' with their own 'regulations' — as a clear illustration of what happens to any market 'free' of regulation.

Specious crap theories about government aside, we can certainly talk the long overdue decriminalization of sex work in our hidebound religiously rigid society, but as soon as the first disputes arise we'll need some regulatory body to resolve and prevent them. The alternative is 'government' of that market by the most brutal, rapacious and cunning exploiters in it.

How do you imagine Kings and Priests came to be?
 
rhuarc29 said:
Although I'm also skeptical of the governments ability to not fuck up regulation, I still think regulation is the correct course of action.
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Agreed.. I think regulation, if done intelligently, would be HUGE for sex workers and cannabis sellers alike..

Personally, I'd see SPs a lot more if there were little to no risk involved (the main risk leftover while seeing a government regulated SP would be that my SO would find out).

I'd sure as hell try smoking pot again if I was able to walk into a store and dictate "I'm a newbie, I want a mild buzz to help me get to sleep at night and maybe give me a bit of the munchies." and actually get just that (and know it's not "laced" with anything else).

As a society, we'd probably stop wasting money on useless shit (like Mops that wet themselves... wtf?!) that's manufactured in China and sold by a minimum wage drop out at Walmart, and instead spend it on the things that really matter.. Like getting your dick sucked while you're nicely toasted..
 
Peegies said:
I'm not a randian, but thanks for playing.

human trafficking, for whatever reason you felt like bringing up, is still illegal regardless of prostitution's legal status. You sound like you have a chip on your shoulder.
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I have several chips on my shoulder. One is there for whenever people bring up the "open market" as part of an argument. Especially when they use it as a term with some sort of positive cachet, or moral value, or summin similar. It ain't none of the above. It is merely a mechanism, and an often shitty one.

The other chip is for people who think that decriminalizing is somehow preferable to full legalizing. It ain't. Human trafficking (for example) might be illegal now, and it might be illegal under a decriminalization scheme, but the only framework that would really be able to do anything significant to cut it down is legalization. Legalization (and regulation) would mean oversight, licensing, and all sorts of shit that would help eliminate human trafficking.

And the last chip is just there because I am an angry middle aged married guy who has to pay people money if he ever wants another human being to touch his willy. For some reason it makes me lash out now and then. Rawr.
 
Seems like a moot argument at present, considering the current legalities surrounding the industry... Maybe in another 10 or 20 years...
 
nobody123 said:
I have several chips on my shoulder. One is there for whenever people bring up the "open market" as part of an argument. Especially when they use it as a term with some sort of positive cachet, or moral value, or summin similar. It ain't none of the above. It is merely a mechanism, and an often shitty one.

The other chip is for people who think that decriminalizing is somehow preferable to full legalizing. It ain't. Human trafficking (for example) might be illegal now, and it might be illegal under a decriminalization scheme, but the only framework that would really be able to do anything significant to cut it down is legalization. Legalization (and regulation) would mean oversight, licensing, and all sorts of shit that would help eliminate human trafficking.

And the last chip is just there because I am an angry middle aged married guy who has to pay people money if he ever wants another human being to touch his willy. For some reason it makes me lash out now and then. Rawr.
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What kind of chips are they? Bbq?
 
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