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legalities of mp's.

Hawkeye22

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has anyone everyone been on the wrong side of a bust or raid?? or care to admit it and if so, what was the outcome??

hawk.
 
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OnTheWayOut

knew it!

SEE !!!! I just KNEW that a BJ or FS in an MP was no worse than an HJ! I feel exonerated ..... I'm gonna be sure to tell the MA girl that the next time she balks at going all the way *lol* oh yeah, I forgot .... none of that ever happens in an MP *g*

Actually I think the best point was made by tdeem3 when he said what REALLY needs to be done is to work at getting laws repealed and/or amended. Unfortunately there are too many do-gooders around who have the wrong idea about what goes on. And they will never allow any grass roots efforts designed to get some common sense laws to ever get off the ground. :(

Hawk, I assume you meant someone who got busted as a customer as tdeem3 told his tale as an owner ........ my only "close" call was when someone started banging on the door just as I made the flip and was getting ready for the real fun to start ..... this wasn't at an actual MP, it was a private apartment of some MAs when they decided to go indy.

It was hilarious (in hindsight) when the girls ran around folding up the massage tables, hiding cash and anything that they thought might get them in trouble .... the 3 of us sat on the sofa with me in the middle, they told me their real names in case the cops asked ...... and I was to be the boyfriend of one of them if the cops asked, I'm sure the cops would buy a hot young asian girl going out with an old fart like me ...... I told them if it was the police they would have identified themselves and would not break down the door but they were both snuggled up against me frightened ..... I was loving all the closeness and stopped trying to convince them there were no worries ...... besides knowing them as I did and thinking of some fond times shared had me hard as a rock with them practically crawling all over me ...... being new to the biz they were a bit paranoid and I reaped the benefits

they called a friend to come over and see who it was but by the time he got there the banging had stopped and the guy went away ...... he escorted me out as the girls really were looking out for my well being and that was truly appreciated ..... they told me later that it turned out to be a painter who had done work for them and was there to collect the money, we still laugh about that day .... but at the time the girls weren't laughing at all ..... so you see it wasn't really a close call but you made me think about it and you all know how I love to tell these stories *lol*
 
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JPsoHot

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Hey Slurp........You got any time to paint a few rooms for me?? LOL
Great story!!
Did you guys call out for some egg rolls after wards??
I bet they were oriental........know you and your preferences.
 
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JPsoHot said:
Hey Slurp........You got any time to paint a few rooms for me?? LOL
Great story!!
Did you guys call out for some egg rolls after wards??
I bet they were oriental........know you and your preferences.
I paint the girls, not the room silly!

I'm not an egg roll fan, as hard as that may be for you to believe ..... if you're on St Laurent some day stop in at Brother Wu and try the beef noodle soup, to die for! (hint, it's only on lunch menu but it's available all day & night). I should buy stock in that place or make a franchise deal ..... hmmmmm

and as to whether they were oriental you missed that I guess .... I did mention my thoughts as to a cop's reaction to me having a hot young ASIAN gf ..... lol ..... it shouldn't be too hard to figure out which 2 they were ;) Since this was only maybe the 4th time I saw those 2 there was no dinner afterwards, that started soon after! That's where we laugh about this story!
 

massman

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I'd bet the bawdy house laws would have trouble surviving a constitutional challenge. Is it illegal to be "found in" a crack house? a place where illegal gamling is going on? the same apartment where your roomate in the next room is downloading child porn? I doubt it (I'm no lawyer). Teh bawdy house laws are the only ones I know where you are guilty by association. What goes on behind closed doors between consenting adults is no business of the law. If there are neighbour complaints about traffic, people going in and out, there are other provisions, mostly municipal by laws, that deal with running a business out of your home.
 

thompo69

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massman said:
I'd bet the bawdy house laws would have trouble surviving a constitutional challenge. Is it illegal to be "found in" a crack house? a place where illegal gamling is going on? the same apartment where your roomate in the next room is downloading child porn? I doubt it (I'm no lawyer). Teh bawdy house laws are the only ones I know where you are guilty by association. What goes on behind closed doors between consenting adults is no business of the law. If there are neighbour complaints about traffic, people going in and out, there are other provisions, mostly municipal by laws, that deal with running a business out of your home.
They would have no problem surviving a constitutional challenge -- in fact, the Supreme Court has already ruled on the constitutionality of a number of elements of the offences. And yes, it is illegal to be found in a place where illegal gambling is going on ("common gaming house" or "common betting house").
 

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thompo69 said:
They would have no problem surviving a constitutional challenge -- in fact, the Supreme Court has already ruled on the constitutionality of a number of elements of the offences. And yes, it is illegal to be found in a place where illegal gambling is going on ("common gaming house" or "common betting house").
Well I think you re partlially right.
Knowing a few cops and firemen myself, they have to be some of the fondest dudes of this type of activity. Some of them are human too right??
Soooo what you can say is that if they are invited into or are part of an illegal loop its not as much of an offence when they are part of it. Remember they always protect their own asses & the asses of the their illegal friends.
The same way they take care of a few tickets here and there they can do the same in other illegal activity. AND BELEIVE ME THEY FRIGGEN DO!! Day in and Day out!!
 

thompo69

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JPsoHot said:
Well I think you re partlially right.
Knowing a few cops and firemen myself, they have to be some of the fondest dudes of this type of activity. Some of them are human too right??
Soooo what you can say is that if they are invited into or are part of an illegal loop its not as much of an offence when they are part of it. Remember they always protect their own asses & the asses of the their illegal friends.
The same way they take care of a few tickets here and there they can do the same in other illegal activity. AND BELEIVE ME THEY FRIGGEN DO!! Day in and Day out!!
Whether it's against the law, and whether or not it's enforced, are two different things. ;)
 

massman

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thompo69 said:
They would have no problem surviving a constitutional challenge -- in fact, the Supreme Court has already ruled on the constitutionality of a number of elements of the offences. And yes, it is illegal to be found in a place where illegal gambling is going on ("common gaming house" or "common betting house").
As I said, I aint no lawyer, but how in a free society, can you be arrested for simply being in a place where some type of illegal activity is going on (especially when in actual fact the activity itself - prostitution- is not illegal)? These are obviously antiquated laws, and must violate our basic freedoms of association.

We reject other forms of "guilt by association", so why does our justice system accept this?
 

thompo69

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massman said:
As I said, I aint no lawyer, but how in a free society, can you be arrested for simply being in a place where some type of illegal activity is going on (especially when in actual fact the activity itself - prostitution- is not illegal)? These are obviously antiquated laws, and must violate our basic freedoms of association.

We reject other forms of "guilt by association", so why does our justice system accept this?
As was discussed in another thread, the act of paying for sex in and of itself is not illegal -- it's how it's done that determines whether or not it is legal. But keeping a bawdy house IS illegal, and the courts have ruled on the constitutionality of it. Now, being found in a bawdy house is again, not in and of itself illegal -- the offence is being found in a bawdy house without lawful excuse.
 

johny_w

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thompo69 said:
As was discussed in another thread, the act of paying for sex in and of itself is not illegal -- it's how it's done that determines whether or not it is legal. But keeping a bawdy house IS illegal, and the courts have ruled on the constitutionality of it. Now, being found in a bawdy house is again, not in and of itself illegal -- the offence is being found in a bawdy house without lawful excuse.
Is this why there is very rarely any mention of escorts being busted for their activities?
 

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Jasmin_MA said:
It could be classified as an act of indecency - but the test for that was set out in the Supreme Court decision on swingers clubs and its a harms test - did the person know what was going to happen - were there adequate signage or warnings of what to expect - ie: someone thought they were going to get a legitimate massage and ended up being solicited for extra services and was offended by nudity etc.
As I understood that Quebec court ruling about the resent clamp down on swinger clubs in Montreal;

- it could not be viewed as Indecency since it occurred behind a locked door and therefore was not a danger to the public. I forget the exact wording.

But then there isn't any exchange of money for swinger clubs that would complicate the matter for a MP. I'd have to agree with earlier posts, if it doesn't sound like a menu, then it is clearly a tip.

If the price for the package is set, then one could argue anything beside the massage would be a MP's way to keep customer's interest for a return visit. Kinda like McDonald's offering free smiles with your meal. You dint pay for it, didn't ask for it, but it was nice to get and you'll probably go back since they made you feel special.
 

riceking

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pikatail said:
... Kinda like McDonald's offering free smiles with your meal. You dint pay for it, didn't ask for it, but it was nice to get and you'll probably go back since they made you feel special.
Great analogy! :D
 

riceking

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rpm-guy said:
Did you guys see this thread in the lounge?
https://terb.cc/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=166764

Seems like at least one Ontario court judge interprets precident the same way Jasmin does. When pricing is all-inclusive, MPs offering release do not contravene the bawdy house laws.

There is a link to the actual judgement text here, which is interesting reading.
Like I said in another thread, I hope this isn`t just a fluke. Let`s hope for a few more decisions like that!
 

wilbur

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riceking said:
Like I said in another thread, I hope this isn't just a fluke. Let's hope for a few more decisions like that!
Unless it's challenged in appeals court, it becomes legal precedent. The judge has defined that a HJ in itself is not prostitution if no dealing took place, and that it wasn't an indecent act that would have made the place a common bawdy house.

Lets hope that, in the future, the justice system spends its time prosecuting real crime, instead of stimulation between consenting adults.
 

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wilbur said:
Unless it's challenged in appeals court, it becomes legal precedent. The judge has defined that a HJ in itself is not prostitution if no dealing took place, and that it wasn't an indecent act that would have made the place a common bawdy house.

Lets hope that, in the future, the justice system spends its time prosecuting real crime, instead of stimulation between consenting adults.
All we need now is a judge to rule BJ to be part of the massage and we're all set!!!! :D
 
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OnTheWayOut

I prefer to have my penis massaged by a vagina :p

Now THAT's a full body massage *g*
 

JPsoHot

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slurp said:
I prefer to have my penis massaged by a vagina

Now THAT's a full body massage *g*

Hopefully an oriental fortune cookie lil vagina HUH????? LOL :eek:
Double O-ree-gottoooo Mr Robotto!!!!!
 
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