LE In Schools

[tboy]

I agree.

I originally thought Tboy was suggesting putting police in all GTA schools whether there were problems at the individual school or not (hence my opposition to the idea), but I see from his later post that I misunderstood his suggestion and that he means only putting the police patrols in schools that have an existing proven problem with gangs/violence.

Actually, I never suggested even putting patrols in the schools, just sub stations ie: a presence. Sure, most of their work would be ambassadorial in nature but also be available should anything happen, and be there for victims to easily inform the police of any trouble they are having.

Now that you bring it up, I don't see a problem say having the police on a rotating basis hitting all schools in a year. This way all students would be exposed to the officers and not just when they're in trouble.

See, I think there is not one thing wrong with kids starting a relationship with the police from an early age. That will teach them respect of the officers, and not have them be afraid or intimidated by them.

 

[thewheelman]

You guys need to talk to your teachers and kids...undercover cops are in the schools all the time.

Problem today is that there are no consequences for these kids and their actions. That goes for in school and out of school. The grey area between right and wrong is where these kids live today.

 

[tboy]

You guys need to talk to your teachers and kids...undercover cops are in the schools all the time.

Problem today is that there are no consequences for these kids and their actions. That goes for in school and out of school. The grey area between right and wrong is where these kids live today.

You have a good point. There was a documentary on not long ago about teachers getting attacked etc and one stat they quoted was that 72% of all teachers encounter some sort of "attack" every year. Many quit because nothing is ever done about it.

As for undercover: undercover is for catching someone committing a crime (or plans to). Uniformed officers are there to prevent crime. For eg: if punk a is planning to assault kid b, he might think twice knowing there's a cop not 100 yds away.

 

[basketcase]

You have a good point. There was a documentary on not long ago about teachers getting attacked etc and one stat they quoted was that 72% of all teachers encounter some sort of "attack" every year. Many quit because nothing is ever done about it.
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Judging by some teachers I met, I bet that things like a teacher overhearing a kid swear in the halls or when they don't do their homework are included as an attack in this study. Some teachers seem to think that they deserve respect simply because they are a teacher, even if they're an ass.

I would think the key is building (and earning) respect is the key and having Police patrolling the halls doesn't seem to be a benefit in my mind. There are likely all sorts of better ways that allow police to work with schools including involvement in extracurriculars and running programs on gangs, drugs, bullying, etc.

 

[hunter001]

I would think the key is building (and earning) respect is the key and having Police patrolling the halls doesn't seem to be a benefit in my mind. There are likely all sorts of better ways that allow police to work with schools

They should microchip all the trouble makers and taser the ones that get out of line.

 

[tboy]

Judging by some teachers I met, I bet that things like a teacher overhearing a kid swear in the halls or when they don't do their homework are included as an attack in this study. Some teachers seem to think that they deserve respect simply because they are a teacher, even if they're an ass.

I would think the key is building (and earning) respect is the key and having Police patrolling the halls doesn't seem to be a benefit in my mind. There are likely all sorts of better ways that allow police to work with schools including involvement in extracurriculars and running programs on gangs, drugs, bullying, etc.

Actually, you aren't correct in your bet. The documentary included the president of the teacher's union and he pointed out that the assaults that were reported (60% stated on an anonymous survey that they were attacked but didn't bother to report it because nothing is ever done) were of a physical nature.

here's some highlights:
1 student walked up to a teacher in front of the class, pulled out a gun and pulled the trigger. The teacher leap to the side and saw that the "gun" was a cigarette lighter.
1 teacher was loading groceries into her car and a student she had sent to the office that week rode up behind her on his bike and kicked her in the back then yelled "remember my face bitch"....
Another one was in her first year of teaching and was leaving the school one night and as she walked out the side door, someone grabbed her by the hair from behind. She was thrown to the ground and 4 girls set up kicking and punching her while she was down. One of the students again had been sent to the principal's office earlier that day for disrupting the class. This teacher filed a complaint and was told that they knew the student was a problem and had done things like this before but they thought they should let it slide because she was graduating in a couple of months. This teacher quit that week.......

Yes, I remember in school that some teachers were dicks. But you know what? They're the boss in the class. Some were really strict, and some were pretty easy going. If anyone in my day told a teacher to F off? We'd be out of that school and never allowed back until we apologized. If we did it again? We'd be expelled.

 

[alexmst]

If anyone in my day told a teacher to F off? We'd be out of that school and never allowed back until we apologized. If we did it again? We'd be expelled.

I agree with this - it was the same in high school in my day. One of my best friends in H.S. got expelled for telling a techer to F off back in the day. He was the only kid that told a teacher to F off that year.

 

[Rockslinger]

At one time I thought a private school would be safer but now we are finding out about teachers who molest their students.

 

[basketcase]

Actually, you aren't correct in your bet. The documentary included the president of the teacher's union and he pointed out that the assaults that were reported (60% stated on an anonymous survey that they were attacked but didn't bother to report it because nothing is ever done) were of a physical nature.
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I still don't believe it. Something like 100,000 teachers in Ontario would mean 72,000 cases of assault in one year according to those stats.

The only way to get numbers like 72% is if it was a voluntary survey which would likely mean that most of the responses would be from people who would answer yes.

 

[basketcase]

At one time I thought a private school would be safer but now we are finding out about teachers who molest their students.

Public schools too. There was just a report in the Star about one.