Is it true that LE is moving their officers from SC's and MP's to our schools where there is real crime happening? If yes, this is long overdue.
LE In Schools
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Screw that idea. Punish the guilty parties to the fullest extent of the law, appropriate punishment for the crimes.Rockslinger said:
As long as the SC's and MP's don't move into the schools!
Having cops in schools won't make the slightest difference.
Besides, the star article also clearly said that their is no interest in cops patrolong schools/ I would assune it means more programs involving students and police.
http://parentcentral.ca/parent/article/427558
Having cops in schools won't make the slightest difference.
Besides, the star article also clearly said that their is no interest in cops patrolong schools/ I would assune it means more programs involving students and police.
http://parentcentral.ca/parent/article/427558
a 1 player said:
These are KIDS, they all have a clean record--unless that kid is really messed up.
The USA has the toughest laws, yet they have the most crime in schools. When you get kids who kill their classmates and then kill them selfs right afterwards, all the laws won't stop it.
What the schools should have is police but not in uniform. Have them like they are out in public-undercover. Seems like this time of year the most crimes happen and school will be over with in a few weeks. Would not be a bad idea to have 2-3 officers in each high school, in the hallways just in case.
The "best" way is to get metal detectors like some of the USA schools have but that might be going too far and would treat each and every kid like a bad kid.
Some of the attitudes above are a part of the problem. People have their head stuck in the ground and have the attitude to not be like the US when some schools become worse and worse with more violence.
I have nothing against having metal detectors in some schools. It protects the kids inside and prevents the trouble makers from bring weapons in. Also improved school security and mandatory school uniforms wouldn't hurt either.
Forget this cuddling bullshit.
I have nothing against having metal detectors in some schools. It protects the kids inside and prevents the trouble makers from bring weapons in. Also improved school security and mandatory school uniforms wouldn't hurt either.
Forget this cuddling bullshit.
When I went to high school-late 70's-we had "narks" They were not cops but big tall guys in their late 20's early 30's who would be in all the hallways. They got to know all the kids names and who were the trouble makers, who were the dope heads, etc. They were not armed but could pick up many of the kids with 1 hand 
But back then it seem like nobody hear of guns in schools, let alone school shootings. How that came about I have no idea.
BTW, every year we lost 1 or 2 guys cause they got caught "messing around" with the young ladies, lol
But back then it seem like nobody hear of guns in schools, let alone school shootings. How that came about I have no idea.
BTW, every year we lost 1 or 2 guys cause they got caught "messing around" with the young ladies, lol
Really? What schools are these? I haven't seen anything about an increase in school violence. IIRC there have been stabbings at a couple of schools in TO this year (none lethal) and one of the schools has a very academic reputation.Back Burner said:
All that metal detectors have done in the states is move the worst of the violence into the streets/parking lot. I believe that there have also been cases where weapons were brought in even with detectors. It might add piece of mind to parents but I think that any parent concerned would rather just move their kid to another school. Add to that the cost which would either require more government money (taxes) or money taken from other school programs.
Uniforms are also next to useless. The most violent school that I went to for HS games had uniforms. All it meant is that when a fight happened, they quickly knew which ones were their students.
All they really need is more adults in the building like the 'narcs' mentioned (I think school security or hall monitors would be a more appropriate term)
Where is this school and how much do you pay to send her there? BTW recent court ruling - police dogs can not search a school without a warrant. I would also think that the big police presence you mentioned is likely because the school has some major issues.tbevel said:
The thing about the US school violence, is that it is like US violence in general, it is very predictable which schools have it and which don't. There are always random exceptions, like Columbine, but I think that a school in a nice neighborhood in the US would be as safe as any school here. But a poor, urban, badly run school in the US would be worse than anything here.
In Toronto a lot of the crime on school properties isn't coming from the student population. Non students come on to the grounds or enter the school with "scores to settle" etc. There is violence among the student population, but a large majority of murders, stabbing and so on are from kids no longer attending.
If it takes cops on the school grounds to stop it, then I'm all for it. Not all of those kids are "bad", some are there for an education and they deserve protection as well.
Makes it proactive instead or reactive policing.
If it takes cops on the school grounds to stop it, then I'm all for it. Not all of those kids are "bad", some are there for an education and they deserve protection as well.
Makes it proactive instead or reactive policing.
Well, all I know is the police sub-stations that they put in malls had a dramatic effect on the criminal activity in the area around the mall. So if police substations in schools have the same effect, then why not?
Exposing kids at an early age to police and the fact that they aren't the enemy can have nothing but a positive effect. Just read through these forums on all the LE hatred that goes on. Think if the people writing these posts interacted with police at an early age how they might look at police now?
Exposing kids at an early age to police and the fact that they aren't the enemy can have nothing but a positive effect. Just read through these forums on all the LE hatred that goes on. Think if the people writing these posts interacted with police at an early age how they might look at police now?
Police in schools is long overdue. It can only create a positive effect as kids will feel safer. For those who oppose it? if your kid is doing nothing wrong then you got nothing to worry about
Too many kids getting shot in schools. IMO 1 death was too many
Too many kids getting shot in schools. IMO 1 death was too many
Yeah, but if kids first experience with police is to have their school treated like a prison rather than a place of higher learning where students should want to be, it might reinforce the 'us vs them' mentality. Having police patrols and police dogs in the halls...is this a school or Folsom prison? Kids should enjoy being in school (I did) and if they are trouble makers send them to reform school or expell them. I think the reason random police dog searches were banned was to protect the image of schools as places of learning, not as prisons from which one hopes to escape.tboy said:
I agree with Backburner's idea about school uniforms.
Well, see, that is the problem with the "mentality" of our police force: the first thought that comes to YOUR mind is "prison".alexmst said:
When they installed sub stations in malls, they didn't become 'prisons' did they? No, they were a couple of cops at a desk who went on periodic patrols of the halls. They were there for people to go to and talk to, pickup information in a casual environment, learn of coming events, discuss local problems like barking dogs, parties, etc.
I find/found them to be much MUCH less intimidating than a police station swarming with cops. Kind of like a cop drop in centre.
I personally think it's a fantastic idea. The kids can get to know the officers, invite them to class lectures, hand out information on drug avoidance (not where to get them cheap), and provide a crucial link for kids who are experiencing bullying (which is a VERY big problem). Instead of the cops showing up at the offender's house one night, the cop can casually call the kid if for a sit down discussion and talk to them about their actions and how it affects the other person. Because bullying IS against the law and instead of arresting them, talk to them.
BTW: it might just stop some punk from bringing a gun to school knowing that there are trained officers on site who not only have a better weapon, but can use it. IMO the only ones who would have any fear of the police are the ones who have something to be afraid of. The ones who want to go to school and actually learn something, might rest easy knowing that there is actually someone there who can protect them (and the teachers because violence against teachers is a growing problem also).
How about cost?tboy said:
I am willing to bet that malls pay a fee for cops to be there. Violence means less income so they would be willing to pay.
There must be a over a hundred high schools in Toronto. With a couple shifts of 2 cops per school....where is the money going to come from to pay for 400+ extra cops - who would also need appropriate people skills, not power trippers (or do you suggest taking them from other duties?)
Nope, you'd be wrong. The malls don't pay for it, it's a police instigated program. I mean, they may donate the space, but I doubt it. It really isn't about protecting the malls, but about getting the police out with the community...least that was what it said in the paper.basketcase said:
I can't even tell you if there are still some around, I know I saw a few when I was last in a mall but that was years ago......
As for the cops: do you think they are just sitting there playing video games? Having a cop or two in a sub station is no different than having one at a desk doing paperwork in the main station. Least this way they can answer questions or whatever while doing the paperwork.
As for the number of schools: come on. Think for a second. They certainly don't need to put one in BRANKSOME HALL. I can see them only being put in areas where there has been, or is experiencing a growing problem.
So, if I understand you correctly, your attitude is: keep doing things the same way and not try anything to solve the problem.
I mean seriously, just look at the hatred towards police on this board alone and the people here are supposedly adults. Just think about the punker gang banger wannabe who has never encountered a cop in person (yet) and their only impression is from TV shows like cops or from videos?
It depends what the cops would be doing at the school. If they are being good will ambassadors as Tboy would suggest then it might not be a bad idea.
If they are the cops are there to shake down the kids for drugs/weapons it would just likely breed more resentment. Kids at that age generally don't react well authority figures (parents, teachers, police..)
If they are the cops are there to shake down the kids for drugs/weapons it would just likely breed more resentment. Kids at that age generally don't react well authority figures (parents, teachers, police..)
I agree.hunter001 said:
I originally thought Tboy was suggesting putting police in all GTA schools whether there were problems at the individual school or not (hence my opposition to the idea), but I see from his later post that I misunderstood his suggestion and that he means only putting the police patrols in schools that have an existing proven problem with gangs/violence.
