LE and Entrapment Laws in the U.S

[MajorWood]

The money is much better here in the US for a talent like Miss Valentine. $500 US is normal in big cities like NY, Chicago, and LA. But like everything in life greater payouts comes with a bigger risks. That's why there are so much violents in the sex and drug industries here in the US. And for that reason, I do not hobby in the US. I like my 15 minutes of fame too, but being on "John TV" is not one. By the way, "John TV" is where they'll televise your name and photo on a local TV station for everyone to see. How embarrassing is that...

Those are good precautions that Dave and the other poster just gave. But it is not 100% foolproof, I say it's more luck and experience then anything else.

 

[Dave in Phoenix]

Anya

It is called Room Service 2000. I think its based in Chicago, but seems only popular in certain cities.

 

[E_B_Samaritano]

The best way to avoid the hassle is to out right the "client" if they are LE. If they lie to you and the judge believes they lied, then reasonable warning and identifaction has not been provided and you will likely ( not always ) have the charges withdrawn by the State. But it comes down to a he said / she said conversation, and often they have wires..

What do you mean by reasonable warning and identification? There is no requirement anywhere in the law for an undercover officer to identify themselves. It is also legal NOWHERE in the US for an officer to engage an woman in sexual intercourse for the purpose of busting her for prostitution. All state laws governing prostitution deal with solicitatation as well and this is all that need be shown to gain a conviction.

EBS

 

[Dave in Phoenix]

There is no law that a cop can't break any law including having sex with a provider in any state that I know of, certainly not in AZ.

Police departments usually don't allow it since public might not like the cop enjoyed the bust to much, but is legal (not crime although may violate a individual PD policy).

In Phoenix getting naked and fondling is commonly done by LE. But most make some excuse such as feeling ill before having to have intercourse but only because its against policy not illegal to do so. A cop can break a law in the course of an investigation. Done all the time to catch drug dealers as well as prostitutes.

In Mesa (in greater Phoenix area) there was media outcry when a cop did have intercourse with a prostitute before busting her. It is embarrassing for police depts but not illegal only a policy issue.

 

[E_B_Samaritano]

The money is much better here in the US for a talent like Miss Valentine. $500 US is normal in big cities like NY, Chicago, and LA. But like everything in life greater payouts comes with a bigger risks. That's why there are so much violents in the sex and drug industries here in the US. And for that reason, I do not hobby in the US. I like my 15 minutes of fame too, but being on "John TV" is not one. By the way, "John TV" is where they'll televise your name and photo on a local TV station for everyone to see. How embarrassing is that...

Those are good precautions that Dave and the other poster just gave. But it is not 100% foolproof, I say it's more luck and experience then anything else.

About the only thing true here is that you do watch too much TV. With the advent of the internet, there exists much better information for clients as well as providers. In the upper echelons of the business there is no more violence per capita in the US than any other country. What there are are a lot more 24 hours news networks with nothing to report. Whereas 500 dollars is a reasonable and customary fee in NYC for good talent, with all due respect Miss Valentine could not command that money based on current reputation. There are several Canadian ladies of equal physical attraction who frequent the US market, and in particular the NY/LA/SF circuit. Their service is off the charts. They do not command 500 bucks in any of those markets.

And BTW..is Pheonix in the US? I think the distorted picture painted by Dave based on crap that may or may not have happenned in Pheonix should not be construed with ordinary practice. Here in SF, it is unusual for the cops to even waste time busting independent providers.

EBS

 

[Dave in Phoenix]

And BTW..is Pheonix in the US? I think the distorted picture painted by Dave based on crap that may or may not have happenned in Pheonix should not be construed with ordinary practice. Here in SF, it is unusual for the cops to even waste time busting independent providers.
EBS

What crap that may or may not have happened? Sheriff Joes Operation House Call was even reported on MSNBC besides many media outlets. Actually it was 45 private independent escorts along with a few massage parlors and 27 customers.

The getting naked and fondling reports are directly from escorts involved and the media in the Mesa case.

You are in San Fran, one of the most liberal cities in the U.S., where a Citizen Commission recommended decrim but went no where since State of Calf would enforce prostitution laws.

Phoneix is controlled by the religious right and Morman influence and all this crap happens in Phoenix, I guarantee you.

The MSNBC report is at
http://www.msnbc.com/local/AZTRIB/M339041.asp?0LA=ajk9n

My more extensive coverage is http://www.sexwork.com/Phoenix/bustof2003.htmlat

This is just our Sheriff Joe, getting into the action which Phonix LE has done for years. And in Scottsdale I know a provider that was convicted of solliciation based on "full service" she had to spent time in tent city in the summer heat. At least she didn't get on Sheiff Joes "chain gang".

 

[i_am_good]

Hey Miss Valentine...

...you are in a VERY RISKY situation.

As stated before, if you are about to be setup by LE he (or she - wink wink) will want you to say and or do something incriminating. I recommend that if someone asks "A LOT" of questions - HANG UP!

Seriously! Always be aware of your statements and actions. Think to yourself, "If this guy (or girl) is LE, could I get busted for what I am about to say?".

Also, DO NOT PUBLISH ANY ADS! You will be sure to attract LE's attention.

What if you used the tried and true, "You are only paying for my time and companionship, anything else that happens is strictly between two consenting adults - do you understand and agree to this?".

Then of course, you have your regulars. If that is enough, do not accept any new clients unless you have a sure fire way of verifying they are not LE.

I have seen tv documentaries where undercover cops in the US picked up streetwalkers and let the girls fondle the cop (over his jeans) - the hidden camera was under the steering wheel so most of the shot was of the cops crotch anyways!

The cop had an earpiece and we could hear someone giving him instructions. They would tell the cop what to say - in an effort to get the girls to say something bad. Sometimes, the girls were smart and kept saying, "I think you're a cop.". The cop would deny it by saying how he hated cops. If they could not get the girl to say the wrong things, they would drop her off and then go after someone else.

So it seems inline with what others have said - cops will play the part and then BUST you when you say the wrong thing.

Stay safe, pretty woman.

 

[MajorWood]

EBS, I never seen Miss V, the quoted price were based on her looks and the girls with similar looks in those cities. SF is a much more liberal city then any other city in the US. You can't possibly compare San Francisco to any of the city mentioned. Seems like Phoenix is on the other end of the spectrum based on what Dave have said. And yes, certains cities have started program televising people found solicitating. I slight chance of being caught is enough to deter me.