Last Weekend's Toronto Sun Article

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hexter

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Did I miss it ?

Is there a thread about last weekend's Toronto Sun article.

The one that says 90% of all women in the industry are being forced/coerced into working?

If there isnt a thread please add to this...

We need a strategy to put a story in the media that provides a rebuttal to the argument.

If the public beleives the GTA is chock full of sexual slaves the public will bolster politicians who will in turn pressure LE to start harrassing unwarranted raids......

I know this theme has been here (On TERB) before but surely there is someone in the media willing to tell the TRUTH.

My verision of the truth... 90% of all industry people - in fact 99% do it out of choice.

A very small percentage are addicted to drugs and that keeps them in the
industry.

An extremely small percentage do it against their will forced by immigrant smugglers or pimps.....

My strategy to get the truth out.

On mass providers and clients, anonymous or not need to EMAIL the media... lets start with the SUN demanding that the truth be told.

The lies will lead to chaos and a lot of hurt... maybe not today, maybe not tomorro ... but soon... with all lies tell them enough people will start to believe it.

My thoughts....
 
Thats whats going to happen. First they are going to try to turn the public against this hobby, then will come more laws and then the raids.

I recall this all started by a lady walking in to a police station claiming she was been held against her will. Has not gone to court yet, but as far as the media thinks, the guys have been found guilty already.

The big escort company's should start a public relation campaign to get the word out that most ladies enjoy this line of work and are not being abused.
 
What are you basing this 'truth' on??? Both your guesses and the sun's sound skewed. I would guess that many of us underestimate the number of people in the business because of drugs/ coercion because of our frame of reference, and that others overestimate it for the same reason.
 
hexter said:
Did I miss it ?

Is there a thread about last weekend's Toronto Sun article.

The one that says 90% of all women in the industry are being forced/coerced into working?
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I don't see the 90 percent statistic but I suspect this article from this past Sunday's edition is the one to which you refer.

http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/Crime/2008/02/10/4838346-sun.html

I must honestly say that it doesn't sound like anything I've ever experiened. Either, that or there are truly Juno/Tony/Academy award quality SPs in Canada.
 
Aardvark154 said:
I don't see the 90 percent statistic




Cowan estimates there are "hundreds" of domestic trafficking victims in the Greater Toronto Area alone, forced to satistfy every fetish and fantasy in the sex industry.
"I think foreign human trafficking would pale in comparison to the numbers of domestic human trafficking," he says.
"Ninety percent of these girls -- especially the ones under 25 -- that are on the Internet, that are in the newspaper, that are working in the clubs and are working in the massage parlours are all being trafficked.
"Their money is not their own."

Amazing what kind of BS that can be published. Apparently I have been quite niave in thinking that most SP's are working out of choice.
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Heres a bi of the story-----

"Ninety percent of these girls -- especially the ones under 25 -- that are on the Internet, that are in the newspaper, that are working in the clubs and are working in the massage parlours are all being trafficked.

"Their money is not their own."

Over the past year, Peel police have laid eight human trafficking charges in six cases involving seven victims. They are all domestic and all involve so-called prostitutes handing 100% of their profits -- often around $1,000 a night -- to their pimps. -------


So its 90% huh, but only 8 charges in 1 year. Either the police are totally screwing up or its not even close to 90%.
 
HafDun said:
Cowan estimates there are "hundreds" of domestic trafficking victims in the Greater Toronto Area alone, forced to satistfy every fetish and fantasy in the sex industry.
"I think foreign human trafficking would pale in comparison to the numbers of domestic human trafficking," he says.
"Ninety percent of these girls -- especially the ones under 25 -- that are on the Internet, that are in the newspaper, that are working in the clubs and are working in the massage parlours are all being trafficked.
"Their money is not their own."
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Ah, now I see where it was - my bad.

At least based on this article the numbers Mr. Cowan (who is the head of Peel Regional Police Force's Vice Unit) cites are entirely a WAG.
 
IN A way it true

Often these girls are forced...and Not just by pimps.

Lots of these girls, under 25; have very few life skills; often come from broken families; or if they have a family were never held accountable for their actions. Lots do not have the education to search for a real job.

And especially, lots have become dependant on the money, and have now put themselves into a position where they have to work in the market, because expenses, habits, etc, are such that they have to carry a debt load that only the hobby will support.

They are incapable of being employed in a job that would now support their current expense structure.

So..when you look at it broadly......yes......I would say 90% are forced into the trade.

Oh ...and yes.....I fully expect some reaction to this post...and certainly there are girls who are not 'FORCED'...but they, I would submit, are in the 10% the article speaks of.
 
"Ninety percent of these girls -- especially the ones under 25 -- that are on the Internet, that are in the newspaper, that are working in the clubs and are working in the massage parlours are all being trafficked."

LOL
 
GOLEAFSGO67 said:
Often these girls are forced...and Not just by pimps.

Lots of these girls, under 25; have very few life skills; often come from broken families; or if they have a family were never held accountable for their actions. Lots do not have the education to search for a real job.

And especially, lots have become dependant on the money, and have now put themselves into a position where they have to work in the market, because expenses, habits, etc, are such that they have to carry a debt load that only the hobby will support.

They are incapable of being employed in a job that would now support their current expense structure.

So..when you look at it broadly......yes......I would say 90% are forced into the trade.

Oh ...and yes.....I fully expect some reaction to this post...and certainly there are girls who are not 'FORCED'...but they, I would submit, are in the 10% the article speaks of.
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OK Leafs but I could say that about anything...

I'd rather be a pro ball player but that wasnt really in the cards because I have no skills; I suppose that if I actually practiced and played my arse off from since the day I learned to walk things MAY have been different...but I didnt... so I have to settle for my job to support my expense structure.

This is not to say I dont like my job because I actually love it... but how many people are doing something they'd rather not be doing? I suspect a crap load of people...the vast majority....this is where acronyms like TGIF have gained much popularity

Arent most of us "forced" (based on your take of this)in some way ?
 
GOLEAFSGO67 said:
Lots of these girls, under 25; have very few life skills; often come from broken families; or if they have a family were never held accountable for their actions. Lots do not have the education to search for a real job.

And especially, lots have become dependant on the money, and have now put themselves into a position where they have to work in the market, because expenses, habits, etc, are such that they have to carry a debt load that only the hobby will support.

They are incapable of being employed in a job that would now support their current expense structure.
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Well you be surprise on what they do know. Some 19 year old I met gave me an E-mail address and saids she uses it mostly for job searches when she fax her resume to escort company's.

As for them getting hook on the high pay. Well you could look at it that way but gee thats not forced labor, thats them being greedy.

You could say the same thing about guys selling dope.
 
But...a regular job

is what we are talking about...we all have choice to move about..we can go from driving a truck, to being a Police officer, to working at Future Shop, to stocking shelves. We choose for different reasons...and move about.

My point on the ladies is.....I am not sure they have much choice. They have very little skills (90%) to actually move around in the job market and obtain a job at their current wages. The addictions, the easy money, and the debt forces many of these ladies to stay. Not saying its bad!.

It just that I am sure, if given different circumstancs, these ladies (90%) would opt out of the lifestyle. Just like most of us can do...but much more readily
 
GOLEAFSGO67 said:
is what we are talking about...we all have choice to move about..we can go from driving a truck, to being a Police officer, to working at Future Shop, to stocking shelves. We choose for different reasons...and move about.

My point on the ladies is.....I am not sure they have much choice. They have very little skills (90%) to actually move around in the job market and obtain a job at their current wages. The addictions, the easy money, and the debt forces many of these ladies to stay. Not saying its bad!.

It just that I am sure, if given different circumstancs, these ladies (90%) would opt out of the lifestyle. Just like most of us can do...but much more readily
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My observation is that a fair number of younger SPs are in the business for a while either while they are students or are getting their feet underneath themselves financially and do move on. Perhaps they are all part of the ten percent but I don't see the independents who participate in discussions on this Board sounding like they are "forced" any more than most of us are forced to work because we have bills to pay and things we want to do.

I would hope that some of the women might comment about this.
 
I know a person who is now an SP who has done it all. It's sad in some ways that she was taken advantage of at such a young age (19). She's even done some video and is now wondering when it will come back to haunt her. Drugs were involved and even some pimps and yes the Bikers. It's the money which attracks them to the business and the other stuff comes later. Not all get into it this way but if we ever got a truly honest answer from an SP about her life we may all be shocked.
 
Your right Aardvark

That girl...forced to the business to raise funds for college.

So..to the point. If she had the family support, the good paying job, she could do it without being in the biz. But she can't!

No..not all girls are forced by pimps. But I would agree that, by one means or another 90% are 'forced'. either out of necessity, low self esteem, the need for adulation, pimps, whatever???

You can't for the life of me make me believe that these petite young girls want to be stuck under a stinky hairy fat guy whos pounding her on her own free will. No way.

90% sounds fair.
 
GOLEAFSGO67 said:
That girl...forced to the business to raise funds for college.

So..to the point. If she had the family support, the good paying job, she could do it without being in the biz. But she can't!
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We have wildly different definitions of "forced."
 
Well theres a whole heck of alot of pretty girls where I live and I see them working in a hair care place, tanning stations, car washes, supermarkets, even behind a cash register in a gas station. They get jobs selling new cars, selling homes, working in doctor office, law offices.

You need to look around and see what other ladies do for a living. All those jobs need just a high school degree.

Again, the ones that are SP may be hooked on the higher pay but thats not anybodys fault but theirs.

I see many ladies who are pretty enough to get many dates but they chose to work long hours @ $8-$10 an hour.
 
So many of our Lovely Ladies live in and have places of business that are so costly that they could never afford them working a 9 to 5 job, except if they were a CEO or a Catholic School Board Trustee, LOL.
 
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