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Landmark Study Reveals 'Transgender' Kids Actually Have Other Mental Health Diagnoses

Authored by Sara Parshaall Perry via The Epoch Times ,

It’s been a red-letter week for destroying the gender narrative. And the trans juggernaut just hit another speed bump.





Fresh off the heels of the National Association of Intercollegiate Athletics announcing that it would not allow transgender-identified men to compete in women’s athletic events in any of its association’s 239 small private schools, a landmark study was released on Wednesday that defies the hysterical warning that if gender dysphoric adolescents don’t receive “gender-affirming care,” they will kill themselves.
The new study from British pediatrician Dr. Hilary Cass confirms what we’ve always known: Children presenting with sudden onset gender dysphoria are actually suffering from other mental health diagnoses—not true gender dysphoria. Her research debunks the gender ideologues’ frequent talking point: that the imposition of medical “gender-affirming care” on mentally ill children is not only necessary, but life-saving.
Cass’ research instead reveals that children who think they are transgender disproportionately have mental health issues stemming from a difficult family situation or domestic abuse. They are also more likely to be neurodiverse and have a co-morbid autism spectrum disorder.
Cass reveals that “gender affirming” medical interventions would not remedy any of these psychological issues. Effectively using such interventions would mean turning a blind eye to the real underlying psychological distress with which gender-confused children often struggle.
Cass’ groundbreaking report reveals that mental health therapy is the best approach for gender-dysphoric children, rather than rushing to put them on hormones or puberty blockers or performing mutilating and irreversible surgeries.
Her report also warns that if children are permitted to make choices to physically and socially conform with their gender of choice, rather than receiving the necessary treatment for their underlying mental health issues, they will experience significant negative psychological repercussions.
Yes, you read that right. Securing medical “gender affirming” care creates the negative psychological repercussions gender identitarians warn us about. And the failure to receive it does not.
At last, the narrative about adolescent gender dysphoria has started to crumble.
Conservatives and gender critics have long warned against rushing to chemically castrate and mutilate gender-confused kids, advocating instead for the European approach of “watchful waiting” and mental health counseling. It seems they were right all along.
Cass’ report on gender dysphoria was the second damning study to be released in 10 days. It was launched soon after another study that breaches the once seemingly impenetrable dam of gender identity built by the White House, cultural elites, celebrities, and politicized medical groups.
A Dutch study of 2,700 children revealed that a significant majority of gender-confused children grow out of that feeling by the time they are full grown adults. This newly published research tracked adolescents for over 15 years and found that gender confusion in children drastically decreased over time, supporting the argument that when children believe they are transgender, it is often nothing more than a passing sensation—and not indisputable fact.
Both Cass’ study and the recent Dutch study argue against transitioning kids who report gender dysphoria. Together, they advise for holistic treatment of these adolescents, treatment which addresses the complex psychological reasons a child may think he or she was born in the wrong body.
Gender-confused children have been lied to, and the adults who have lied to them must be held accountable. The flood of litigation challenging these pernicious practices is only just beginning.
 

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Well I think that if you were ridiculed by people, outcasts by your family, persecuted by your government, and just generally hated buy vial ignorant narrow minded assholes, you'd probably have a few mental health issues too.
 

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This was always known.

But the doctors wanted to play god by experimenting "ethically" on willing participants and the government is always looking for a new way to oppress people.
 
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Well I think that if you were ridiculed by people, outcasts by your family, persecuted by your government, and just generally hated buy vial ignorant narrow minded assholes, you'd probably have a few mental health issues too.
Given that this is an Epoch Times story I am going to assume the study is being misrepresented.
Seems it is public though, so I can go hunt for it later.
The main takeaways all seem things well known and uncontroversial and mostly supported by the trans community, except that it includes "sudden onset gender dysphoria" (they seem to have renamed "rapid-onset gender dysphoria") which is a whole bullshit scare tactic some people have been pushing. If that's in there, then the "study" or review or whatever it is should be viewed with extreme caution. But I doubt it is, that's probably just something the paper added to support their narrative.

This should really be in the Lounge, shouldn't it?
A science study / health system review isn't really right for this section.
 

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Given that this is an Epoch Times story I am going to assume the study is being misrepresented.
Seems it is public though, so I can go hunt for it later.
The main takeaways all seem things well known and uncontroversial and mostly supported by the trans community, except that it includes "sudden onset gender dysphoria" (they seem to have renamed "rapid-onset gender dysphoria") which is a whole bullshit scare tactic some people have been pushing. If that's in there, then the "study" or review or whatever it is should be viewed with extreme caution. But I doubt it is, that's probably just something the paper added to support their narrative.

This should really be in the Lounge, shouldn't it?
A science study / health system review isn't really right for this section.
That your rebuttal?
Paper peer reviewed…so your so opinion mean nothing but totally garbage, your are not a doctor or psychiatrist or psychologist!!



Dr Hilary Cass: How world-renowned paediatrician behind damning review of NHS gender care for children is no stranger to 'toxic' debates (and loves a Snickers!)
By JOHN ELY SENIOR HEALTH REPORTER FOR MAILONLINE
PUBLISHED: 19:01 EDT, 9 April 2024 | UPDATED: 19:19 EDT, 9 April 2024

She's undeniably one of the most influential paediatricians of her generation and, perhaps most importantly, is no stranger to raising the alarm about patient safety concerns.
So it's no wonder that Dr Hilary Cass was tasked with overhauling care for gender-questioning children in the UK.
Appointed by NHS bosses in the wake of the Tavistock scandal, Dr Cass has sorted fact from fiction in a debate which has become exceptionally toxic.

Her damning review of gender identity services for young people spans nearly 400 pages and has been close to four years in the making.

Dr Hilary Cass¿s final report on NHS care for gender questioning children has now been published

Dr Hilary Cass’s final report on NHS care for gender questioning children has now been published


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Retired consultant paediatrician Dr Hilary Cass speaking about the publication of the Independent Review of Gender Identity Services for Children and Young People


It says children have been let down by a lack of research and evidence on medical interventions, specifically puberty blockers and hormone drugs.

Guidelines themselves aren't evidence-based, she ruled.

As Dr Cass herself bluntly puts it, the entirety of gender medicine is 'built on shaky foundations'.

Dr Cass, in her 60s, is no stranger in raising concerns to those in power.

In 2013 it was revealed she left Great Ormond Street Hospital after raising concerns about patient safety.

She warned bosses that inadequate staffing, poor morale and a lack of co-operation between departments was putting patients at risk.

After emailing managers an account of her concerns, GOSH used a confidentiality agreement to settle a long-running dispute with her which saw her demoted and led to her departure.

It sparked a national conversation about the use of so-called 'gagging clauses' in the NHS.

Dr Cass, who went to a prestigious London private school for girls before studying medicine at the University of London, herself is a recognised leader in the field of medical care for children, having served as president of the Royal College of Paediatrics and Child Health from 2012-2015.

On top of that, she was chair of the British Academy of Childhood Disability between 2017 and 2020.

While no longer working clinically, she remains an honorary consultant paediatrician at Evelina London Children’s Hospital — part of Guy’s & St Thomas’s NHS Foundation Trust.

While at Evelina she worked on the development of paediatric palliative care services for extremely ill children and their families.

Retired consultant paediatrician Dr Cass speaking about the publication of the Independent Review of Gender Identity Services for Children and Young People, April 9

Retired consultant paediatrician Dr Cass speaking about the publication of the Independent Review of Gender Identity Services for Children and Young People, April 9
Dr Cass, an avid fan of the theatre, has been recognised multiple times for her work, including receiving an OBE for her services to child health in 2015

Dr Cass, an avid fan of the theatre, has been recognised multiple times for her work, including receiving an OBE for her services to child health in 2015
Dr Cass, who has previously described her ideal guilty pleasure as eating a Snickers while watching an episode of The Thick Of It, has also published multiple articles of the care of children with neurodisability.

Previous work of hers involves children with autism, cognitive and visual impairment as well as those with multiple disabilities.

The care of children is clearly a subject close Dr Cass's heart, as even after stopping clinical practice she has worked with charities dedicated to helping youngsters with complex medical conditions.

These include being an ex-chair of the children's palliative care charity Together for Short Lives and a trustee for the Noah’s Ark Children’s Hospice.

Dr Cass, an avid fan of the theatre, has been recognised multiple times for her work, including receiving an OBE for her services to child health in 2015.

She has also been granted honorary fellowships by the Royal College of Nursing and Royal College of General Practitioners

Dr Cass has form for wading into controversial medical topics, previously speaking in 2013 on her support for doctor assisted suicide, otherwise known as medical euthanasia.

When she retires, she plans a 'gap year for grown ups', according to an interview she did with the British Medical Journal in 2013.

In that same piece, she spoke of her love of 'crispy duck from the local Chinese takeaway'.

Her parents 'always thought that I was argumentative and perverse enough to be a lawyer', Dr Cass also said.
 
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That your rebuttal?
Paper peer reviewed…so your so opinion mean nothing but totally garbage, your are not a doctor or psychiatrist or psychologist!!
Says who, the original post has lots of links but none to the actual... you know, study.

That plus the epoch times makes it sus as hell.

And this coming from someone who is pretty far from being a trans ally. Unless it's automatic, or not the Nissan CVT.
 

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That your rebuttal?
Paper peer reviewed…so your so opinion mean nothing but totally garbage, your are not a doctor or psychiatrist or psychologist!!
Not a rebuttal, a comment.
I haven't had a chance to look into the report and only an idiot would ever take anything Epoch Times said as being honestly reported.

From what I can tell, this hasn't been peer reviewed - it isn't a research study.
It's a combination of literature review and overview of how the gender identity services are being handled by the NHS.
A quick glance shows Cass seems to have rejected anything not done as a double blind study though, which is a seriously weird choice to make for a lit review in this field, since you can't perform double-blind studies ethically in this scenario.
That doesn't bode well.

Anyway - here is the report page for those who are interested.

You can download the report there.

Dr Hilary Cass: How world-renowned paediatrician behind damning review of NHS gender care for children is no stranger to 'toxic' debates (and loves a Snickers!)


This is the Daily Mail?
So they are also spinning this as "damning" - interesting .

There seems to be a LOT of effort her to spin this a certain way.

The choice to make a fluff piece about her and how great she is is also an interesting choice.
 
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Leaked Files From Transgender Association 'Shocking' And 'Horrific' Admission, Critics Say


TUESDAY, APR 02, 2024 - 11:40 PM
Authored by Brad Jones via The Epoch Times ,
A leaked video and documents exposing the inner workings of the organization responsible for setting the so-called “standards of care” for gender transition treatments and surgeries on children is a “shocking” and “horrific” admission, critics say.

In a file photo, a detransitioner looks at a letter from her former doctor who authorized a double mastectomy for transitioning into a male, at her home on Nov. 1, 2022. The woman now regrets the procedure. (John Fredricks/The Epoch Times)



The leaked files from the World Professional Association for Transgender Health—better known as WPATH—reveal “widespread medical malpractice on children and vulnerable adults,” according to a 241-page report disclosing emails, documents, and an 82-minute video.

Environmental Progress, a nonprofit organization led by founder and president Michael Shellenberger that obtained the files, released them to the public in an exposé on March 4.

The WPATH Files show that what is called ‘gender medicine’ is neither science nor medicine,” Mr. Shellenberger said in a statement. “The experiments are not randomized, double-blind, or controlled. It’s not medicine since the first rule is to do no harm. And that requires informed consent.”

The files are “a shocking admission” by WPATH doctors and other medical practitioners privately acknowledging they’re not getting proper informed consent from parents and children before proceeding with gender transition treatments and surgeries, prominent civil rights attorney Harmeet Dhillon told The Epoch Times.

Ms. Dhillon, the founder and CEO of the Center for American Liberty, which is representing several women who’ve allegedly suffered harm and irreversible damage as a result of WPATH’s recommendations of transgender surgery for gender dysphoric children and young adults, called the exposé “an important act of journalism.”

These leaked files show that behind closed doors, WPATH members are admitting to the fact that they’re not getting informed consent for hormonal and surgical interventions from young patients, which is the very premise of our litigation for young women who’ve been mutilated by these doctors when they were children,” she said.

The Center for American Liberty has taken on three pro-bono cases representing detransitioners Chole Cole, Layla Jane, and Luka Hein, who are suing Kaiser Permanente and doctors who performed double mastectomies on these young women.

The Report
WPATH advocates for children to have access to puberty blockers, cross-sex hormones, and surgeries to alter their body according to their gender identity, according to the report. This suggests that children should be able to understand the full ramifications of these drugs and procedures, and that their parents can provide informed consent.

“But while WPATH publicly supports minors and their families consenting to these hormonal and surgical treatments based on a nebulous inner sense of self, privately, some members admit that consent is not possible,” states the report. “Behind closed doors, WPATH-affiliated healthcare professionals confess that their practices are based on improvisation, that children cannot comprehend them, and that the consent process is not ethical.”

Michael Shellenberger, founder and president of nonprofit organization Environmental Progress, in a file photo. (The Epoch Times)

In video footage of an internal WPATH panel, Dianne Berg, a child psychologist, said experts wouldn’t expect children and youth to fully understand the effects of transgender procedures, because it is “out of their developmental range to understand the extent to which some of these medical interventions are impacting them,” according to the report.

What really disturbs me is when the parents can’t tell me what they need to know about a medical intervention that apparently they signed off for,” said Ms. Berg. She suggested encouraging patients to ask questions and offering a “real informed consent process” rather than what was happening, which is “not what we need to be doing ethically.”

Jamison Green, an activist and former WPATH president, told the panel that sometimes patients avoid learning important information about procedures out of fear, saying, “People also are afraid many times about surgery, and so they can read other people’s descriptions about surgery, and they’ll miss details, or they’ll miss the most important piece of information for them simply because they’re afraid to read it.”

Dr. Daniel Metzger, a Canadian endocrinologist, said gender doctors are “often explaining these sorts of things to people who haven’t even had biology in high school yet,” adding that even adults have limited knowledge of many of these medical interventions.

WPATH guidance states that doctors must inform patients about “the potential loss of fertility and available options to preserve fertility.”

But Dr. Metzger told the panel that “it’s always a good theory that you talk about fertility preservation with a 14-year-old, but I know I’m talking to a blank wall. ... Most of the kids are nowhere in any kind of a brain space to really talk about [fertility preservation] in a serious way.”

Less than week after Environmental Progress released the WPATH Files publicly, Britain’s National Health Service stopped the use of puberty blockers on children. NHS England said, “We have concluded that there is not enough evidence to support the safety or clinical effectiveness of [puberty suppressing hormones] to make the treatment routinely available at this time.”

Meanwhile, other European countries, such as Sweden, Finland, Norway, and France are also growing increasingly skeptical of what supporters call the “gender-affirmation model.”

‘They’re Doing It Anyway’
Informed consent is a well-known pre-requisite for ethical medical treatments and procedures, and yet “the so-called transgender medical community” in the U.S. continues to prescribe this “gender-affirming care” for children, Ms. Dhillon said.

They’re doing it anyway,” she said. “The WPATH medical practitioners are fully aware that the gender-affirming care they’re pushing is based on shaky and inadequate medical research, but they continue to push it, ignoring the growing body of scientific evidence that is distancing mainstream medicine from these procedures.”

The leaked video also reveals that what WPATH is stating publicly is the opposite of what its members they’re saying privately, Ms. Dhillon said.

“They know what they’re doing is wrong and that’s what they say to each other behind closed doors. They’re not getting proper informed consent. It’s not working,” she said. “We’re enabling, through WPATH’s quack medicine ideology, 9-year-olds to decide that they’re able to change their gender.”

Gender-affirming” doctors and politicians in California, for example, continue to push puberty blockers as a safe, effective and reversible treatments and the only way to prevent suicide among gender dysphoric youth, but the facts say otherwise, Ms. Dhillon said.

The Center for American Liberty litigation has shed the light on the fact that puberty blockers are “absolutely permanently damaging,” she said.



Harmeet Dhillon, founder and CEO of the Center for American Liberty, which is representing several women who’ve allegedly suffered harm and irreversible damage from transgender procedures. (John Fredricks/The Epoch Times)

“Every day detransitioners come out and announce that they’ve been told by their doctors [they] can’t have children,” she said. “All of our clients who have this so-called ‘treatment’ have permanently altered voices. They can’t reverse that even though they stopped taking the hormones.”

A California law even enables 12-year-old children “to run away from home and seek refuge in LGBTQ homes to emancipate themselves” to pursue medical interventions such as the use of puberty blockers, cross-sex hormone replacement therapy, and surgery without parental consent, she said.

This is all being justified and underwritten by these pseudo-medical standards even when doctors privately and openly admit they don’t know all the long-term effects of “their radical procedures” or how to deal with them, she said.

The exposé reveals a WPATH member confirming fertility and sexual pleasure could be destroyed for young patients receiving gender-affirming care, Ms. Dhillon said.

In any other field of medicine, doctors cutting off body parts “and then saying they don’t really know what the long-term effects of that are” would be considered “completely outrageous,” but in “this sexual experimentation field,” the same standards of care don’t seem to apply, she said.

Every doctor who knowingly lied to patients should sued for medical malpractice and exposed to put an end to these practices, she said.

WPATH Statement
WPATH President Dr. Marci Bowers, issued the following statement on March 5:

WPATH is and has always been a science- and evidence-based organization whose recommendations are widely endorsed by major medical organizations around the world. We are the professionals who best know the medical needs of trans and gender diverse individuals—and stand opposed to individuals who misrepresent and de-legitimize the diverse identities and complex needs of this population through scare tactics. The world is not flat. Gender, like genitalia, is represented by diversity. The small percentage of the population that is trans or gender diverse deserves healthcare and will never be a threat to the global gender binary.”

Blaine Vella, executive director for WPATH stated in a memo to association members on March 5:

“This is and will continue to be our response to any media outreach. If any of you receive inquiries from the media, we request that you do not respond, send the request to us ... and our media partners will respond with the statement above.”

WPATH did not respond to an Epoch Times request for comment about the allegations.

A year ago, WPATH and its U.S affiliate USPATH, doubled down on gender-affirming care for minors, saying they “vehemently oppose” legislation outlawing access to gender-affirming health care to “transgender and gender diverse (TGD) people.”

‘A Giant Experiment’
Erin Friday, an attorney and co-leader of Our Duty, an international group that opposes gender ideology, especially for children and young adults, told the Epoch Times the WPATH Files are an admission that gender transition procedures are “a giant experiment.”

Ms. Friday referred to the case of a 16-year-old girl from the report who developed large tumors on her liver after taking testosterone and other medications, and an oncologist and surgeon both indicated the hormones were the likely reason for the cancer, according to the report. Many other known or potential complications and other related medical conditions were also discussed in the document, along with evidence of a lack of research.

[T]here have never been any properly controlled trials in the wider field of gender medicine, which also consistently lacks long-term data,” states the report.

“Gender-affirming” doctors don’t question a patient’s comorbidities, especially in matters of mental health, even though WPATH’s recommendations state that the goal of “gender-affirming care” is to partner with transgender and gender diverse people “to holistically address their social, mental and medical health needs and well-being while respectfully affirming their gender identity,” said Ms. Friday.

They push aside any patient mental health issue, regardless of whether its severe schizophrenia or a dissociative disorder,” she said. “They know that these people ... have severe mental health issues and they transition them anyway.”



Erin Friday, western U.S. co-leader of Our Duty, speaks at a seminar in San Francisco on Sept. 24, 2023. (Lear Zhou/The Epoch Times)

Ms. Friday, whose daughter formerly identified as transgender but has since accepted her female form, anticipates the WPATH Files will lead to congressional hearings.

The WPATH Files reveal much more than an organization that has overstepped its bounds, she said.

They have admitted to medical malpractice. They have admitted to lying,” she claimed.

Hospital boards and medical societies, Ms. Friday said, would be “well-advised” to use the leaked WPATH Files as “an off-ramp,” to move away from such harmful practices.

Dr. Shannae Anderson, a licensed psychologist in California and Virginia who fled California nearly two years ago after her license was threatened, told The Epoch Times the WPATH Files have exposed the “horrific” agenda behind gender-affirming treatments.

In most states, the WPATH “standards of care” are the only treatment allowed, which means puberty blockers, cross-sex hormones, social transitioning, and ultimately top and bottom surgeries, Dr. Anderson said.

“It is illegal in most states to actually offer another treatment avenue, which is crazy,” she said.

Another “absolutely horrifying” aspect of the leaked files is WPATH’s admission “they’re conducting these radical life-altering procedures on individuals with severe mental health disorders,” she stressed.

Dr. Anderson, now the director of psychology and co-director of ethics and advocacy for the American Association of Christian Counselors, which bills itself as the world’s largest faith-based mental health organization, said gender-affirming care policies have hamstrung therapists from being able to talk freely with patients about gender dysphoria and trampled free speech.

But, like other critics, she expects the WPATH Files exposé will lead to congressional hearings and more litigation to restore free speech so therapists can do their jobs.

Psychotherapy is speech. That’s what we do. We talk,” she said. “And so when there is this ban against talking and exploring someone’s gender dysphoria, we’re not even allowed to ask questions about it or explore it.”

WPATH doctors admitting they know children cannot give informed consent is “a huge deal,” she said.

Dr. Anderson, a native of Thousand Oaks, Calif., confronted the board at a Conejo Valley Unified School District meeting in June, 2022, alleging that 8-year-olds were being exposed at school to sexual issues including abstract concepts like transgender ideology, which she said was beyond their level of comprehension.

“That is actually one of the reasons why I had my license threatened in California. I spoke before a school board about how teaching children about transgender ideology is inappropriate and dangerous because they can’t begin to comprehend all that goes into a transgender identity and transformation,” she said. “And, what the WPATH files expose is that I was right, essentially, that when they undergo these gender treatments, they cannot give informed consent.”

WPATH members acknowledged not only that children can’t grasp the scope of what’s going to happen to them with these treatments, but neither can parents, and that they’re not disclosing all the risks and dangers associated with them “because they don’t know what they are,” she said.

There isn’t enough research to determine the long-term effects of such treatments and procedures, and the research that does exist shows that a “watch and wait” treatment is best, because the vast majority of gender dysphoric minors outgrow the condition and accept their natural bodies, she said.



Jordan Peterson, Canadian clinical psychologist and professor of psychology at the University of Toronto, in a file photo. (The Epoch Times)

Worst Medical Scandal in History?
In a recent interview with Dr. Jordan Peterson, a well-known Canadian psychologist and author, Mr. Shellenberger said he was unfamiliar with WPATH at first.

“I thought maybe people were exaggerating what was happening,” he said.

Then, “a source or sources” gave him about 170 pages of the internal files from the discussion boards of WPATH, along with the video of WPATH leaders and members talking about some of the problems they were encountering.

“These files put to rest any doubts anybody should have that what is happening is one of the greatest medical mistreatment scandals in human history,” he said. “It might be the worst. It’s certainly up there with lobotomies. It’s up there with the Tuskegee experiments.”

Mr. Peterson responded, “It’s way worse than both of those.”

The WPATH Files show “without a shadow of a doubt” that the people who are are performing these “mistreatments” are not getting informed consent, Mr. Shellenberger said.

“And then they just sort of throw up their hands and they say, we don’t really know how to solve this problem. At no point in the video, does anybody say, ‘Hey, maybe we shouldn’t be doing this,’” he said. “There’s a basic horror to it, but then at the intellectual level, you can’t help but be slightly fascinated by these people. What is wrong with them that they’re so in the grip of an ideology that they’re doing these mistreatments and never questioning ... that perhaps they shouldn’t be doing them at all.”

Mr. Peterson referenced Dr. Ken Zucker, a psychologist whose studies showed 88 percent of 2- to 12-year-olds in two separate studies of boys and girls clinically referred as experiencing gender dysphoria—who were not socially transitioned—later reported as adolescents and young adults they no longer suffered from the condition and were comfortable with their natal genders.

Leave them the hell alone till they’re 18,” Mr. Peterson said. “The man who established that was Ken Zucker. He ran the best journal that dealt with childhood gender dysphoria for years up in Toronto. That was his recommendation for treatment, and the bloody radicals ran him out of business 10 years ago.”

Now doctors are doing the opposite and are recommending the “most extreme” treatments and surgical intervention possible and telling people “that if they don’t listen, their children are going to die, that they’re going to commit suicide, which is a complete bloody lie. There was never a bit of evidence for that, not even bad evidence. It was just a lie,” he said.

Then, they offer “this absolutely cataclysmic treatment with unimaginably dire consequences to people who don’t even understand and can’t understand what they’re agreeing to” and tell them “that’s how they’ll find their true self,” he said. “So that’s where we’re at. It’s so sickening.”
 
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I see politicizing health care is a major issue for you.

The WPATH Files show that what is called ‘gender medicine’ is neither science nor medicine,” Mr. Shellenberger said in a statement. “The experiments are not randomized, double-blind, or controlled. It’s not medicine since the first rule is to do no harm. And that requires informed consent.”
So they are tipping their hand right out of the gate with the "it's not double-blind randomzied so it isn't science", I see.
Well, nice of them to announce they shouldn't be taken seriously so quickly.

These leaked files show that behind closed doors, WPATH members are admitting to the fact that they’re not getting informed consent for hormonal and surgical interventions from young patients, which is the very premise of our litigation for young women who’ve been mutilated by these doctors when they were children,” she said.
That's a pretty shocking claim.
Let's see how they back it up.

“But while WPATH publicly supports minors and their families consenting to these hormonal and surgical treatments based on a nebulous inner sense of self, privately, some members admit that consent is not possible,” states the report. “Behind closed doors, WPATH-affiliated healthcare professionals confess that their practices are based on improvisation, that children cannot comprehend them, and that the consent process is not ethical.”

In video footage of an internal WPATH panel, Dianne Berg, a child psychologist, said experts wouldn’t expect children and youth to fully understand the effects of transgender procedures, because it is “out of their developmental range to understand the extent to which some of these medical interventions are impacting them,” according to the report.

What really disturbs me is when the parents can’t tell me what they need to know about a medical intervention that apparently they signed off for,” said Ms. Berg. She suggested encouraging patients to ask questions and offering a “real informed consent process” rather than what was happening, which is “not what we need to be doing ethically.”

Jamison Green, an activist and former WPATH president, told the panel that sometimes patients avoid learning important information about procedures out of fear, saying, “People also are afraid many times about surgery, and so they can read other people’s descriptions about surgery, and they’ll miss details, or they’ll miss the most important piece of information for them simply because they’re afraid to read it.”

Dr. Daniel Metzger, a Canadian endocrinologist, said gender doctors are “often explaining these sorts of things to people who haven’t even had biology in high school yet,” adding that even adults have limited knowledge of many of these medical interventions.

WPATH guidance states that doctors must inform patients about “the potential loss of fertility and available options to preserve fertility.”

But Dr. Metzger told the panel that “it’s always a good theory that you talk about fertility preservation with a 14-year-old, but I know I’m talking to a blank wall. ... Most of the kids are nowhere in any kind of a brain space to really talk about [fertility preservation] in a serious way.”
So the WPATH members are doing their best with informed consent and even acknowledging the limitations when faced with complex biology and wanting to do better?

That's impressively ethical.

I guess I will have to see the video, since it sounds like the opposite of what the article is saying is going on.

Well, putting Peterson in makes this come across as even less legitimate and more political.
Again, at least we get to see it up front.
 

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Attempted Suicide Rates More Than Double After Gender-Reassignment Surgery: Study

Not a rebuttal, a comment.
I haven't had a chance to look into the report and only an idiot would ever take anything Epoch Times said as being honestly reported.

From what I can tell, this hasn't been peer reviewed - it isn't a research study.
It's a combination of literature review and overview of how the gender identity services are being handled by the NHS.
A quick glance shows Cass seems to have rejected anything not done as a double blind study though, which is a seriously weird choice to make for a lit review in this field, since you can't perform double-blind studies ethically in this scenario.
That doesn't bode well.

Anyway - here is the report page for those who are interested.

You can download the report there.



This is the Daily Mail?
So they are also spinning this as "damning" - interesting .

There seems to be a LOT of effort her to spin this a certain way.

The choice to make a fluff piece about her and how great she is is also an interesting choice.
Rate of attempted suicide who identified as transgender more than doubled after receiving a vaginoplasty
(surgically turning one's dick into a vagina), according to a peer-reviewed study published in The Journal of Urology.
You can download the report
here.



The study looked at rates of psychiatric emergencies both before and after gender-altering surgery among 869 males who went under the knife, and 357 females who underwent phalloplasty (turning one's vagina into a dick) in California between 2012 and 2018.
 
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Rate of attempted suicide who identified as transgender more than doubled after receiving a vaginoplasty
 

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The study looked at rates of psychiatric emergencies both before and after gender-altering surgery among 869 males who went under the knife, and 357 females who underwent phalloplasty (turning one's vagina into a dick) in California between 2012 and 2018.
It did.
Quite interesting.
I presume you think this is proof that surgical transition is the cause?
 

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It did.
Quite interesting.
I presume you think this is proof that surgical transition is the cause?
Look …Just sayings…Nothing wrong waiting until a child turn 18 year old… Meanwhile give them all the love and support they need! They are a child and they have mental issues !!!
 

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Look …Just sayings…Nothing wrong waiting until a child turn 18 year old… Meanwhile give them all the love and support they need! They are a child and they have mental issues !!!
Of course there are issues with waiting until a child turns 18 years old when you can help them earlier?
But let's face facts, nothing in your posting here makes it seem that you would accept adults transitioning either.
It's quite clear from your "they have mental issues" comment that you believe the only "successful" treatment is making them not trans.
Pretending your political agenda is about "protecting children" is kind of vulgar and unseemly.
 

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Look …Just sayings…Nothing wrong waiting until a child turn 18 year old… Meanwhile give them all the love and support they need! They are a child and they have mental issues !!!
This will provide a whole new batch of subjects to study as a non surgery group. Compare to your post surgery group. Larger sample will probably yield more accurate results. Someone who Isn't able to legally get a drink or by cigarettes shouldn't be making such life altering decisions. No benefit to rushing into something like that...
 

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Of course there are issues with waiting until a child turns 18 years old when you can help them earlier?
Tell that to the young women who got mutilated by these doctors…
That why they are seekin legal action!
“These leaked files show that behind closed doors, WPATH members are admitting to the fact that they’re not getting informed consent for hormonal and surgical interventions from young patients, which is the very premise of our litigation for young women who’ve been mutilated by these doctors when they were children,” she said.
 
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It's a failed experiment. Let it go.

But then again I understand a lot of people are wilful cattle for the left and all their crazy experiments.
 

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But let's face facts, nothing in your posting here makes it seem that you would accept adults transitioning either.
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Look at previous history on all my post on transgender on Terb. You can search my terb posting.. Not against adults transitioning.. provided they are at a legal age. They can do whatever they want If they are an adult . Majority of conservatives or majority conservatives members of terbite or antiliberal terbite members don’t give a shit!. As long as they are not a child. A child cannot give consent. It that too hard for the leftist here to understand!! End of story. Dont make up story! Find me a previous or post saying that I against adult transgender surgery Or adult transitioning …typical liberal tactic lose an argument then they demonized you!!! Dont be a sore loser! Accept the fact you lost this debate and move on!!!
 

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It is amazing that someone who isn't considered legally competent to enter contracts, join the military, drink, smoke, buy lotto tickets, have coitus with adults is considered competent enough to get irreversible and drastic surgery.

But for fucks sakes, can't you people find better sources than the Epoch fucking times.
 

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Look at previous history on all my post on transgender on Terb. You can search my terb posting.. Not against adults transitioning.. provided they are at a legal age. They can do whatever they want If they are an adult .
No one believes you.
This isn't about children, the children are only an excuse because people want to protect children so it sounds like a reasonable discussion.

Accept the fact you lost this debate and move on!!!
How on earth have I "lost" this debate? LOL
 
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