Karla Homolka truly free

[kirmit129]

Who are you mad at?..this starts with the lazy St kits pigs/Toronto pigs etc..you can't blame the judge at all, happens all the time, based on the notoriety/press of the case stems peoples anger, but people pedophiles, murderers are released daily with less stringent restrictions Karla had, unbenoticed(sp) to you cuz its not in the papers, worry or get mad at the pedophile released in a neighbourhood near you, rather than Karla

Well Karla has no restrictions now...

We have a system of laws. I don't like it either but that is the system we are all and equally bound by.

You think? Laws are made by the elites of society. Laws are controled by the elites of society. Laws can be bend by the elites of society. Unfortunately, Laws are also often more lenient towards the female gender.

She was sentenced to 12 years and served every single day of it. I didn't and still don't like the sentence, but that is not the point.

Have you heard about her birthday party in prison? It's prison eh...

If the system does not work, change the system. Don't try to "take it out" on someone who submitted to it and what it dealt her: that is mob rule!

Submitted to?!?! You mean played! She played the system.



On a side note, maybe someone can enlighten me on this. How come she only got 2 years for Tammy(her sister). They say that giving her more would be double jeopardy(2 convictions for the same crime). How can it be the same crime? The case was for the kidnapping, rape and murder of 2 minors. Fine, according to the deal she gets 10 years for those 2 murders. For Tammy(which they found out afterwards), I think they could have given her life.

What they did is like a person is convicted of killing 1 person and serves 15 years(special circumstances). If later it's discovered that he/she killed 10 other people, well, according to what happened to Karla, he/she cannot be fully pursued.

 

[papasmerf]

There are some false aspects to the belief that the tapes were not found by the Police during the initial search of the home.

Homolka had already been to the Crown with her "deal", and had identified the location of the tapes as a result of the Crown's acceptance of the "deal".

She moved first to secure a limited sentence based on her "turning" on her husband.

What happened today in Qubec is most likely an interpretation of her rights under the Charter. The judge is bound by the rules of law. It will be appealed fairly quickly or a new proposed set of conditions will be brought before a court.

Were this true then child molestors once released from prison would be able to work in schools are counselors and live next to play grounds. I just don't see that kidnaping, murduring then choping up a couple of kids is the kinda thing you just decide to do one day and never kill again.

 

[kirmit129]

There are some false aspects to the belief that the tapes were not found by the Police during the initial search of the home.

Homolka had already been to the Crown with her "deal", and had identified the location of the tapes as a result of the Crown's acceptance of the "deal".

You sure about that? According to many sources on the internet, the husband was angry and gaved the location of the tapes, after her deal, to show that she was a willing participant.

It's convenient how those tapes were ordered destoyed and the husband cannot have any contact with the media eh. We need to protect "poor" Karla eh....

 

[MarkII]

[/quote]On a side note, maybe someone can enlighten me on this. How come she only got 2 years for Tammy(her sister). [/quote]

I believe this was part of the deal she and her lawyers made with the Crown at the time. The deal and how it transpired was well documented in the Star and Globe shortly before her release.

Perry Mason was correct in his statements concerning the present laws. The judges cannot rule based on the emotion they feel for a particular case before them.

Pointing the finger at political parties and certain members doesn't often apply as the laws haven't been reformed in over 50 years in some instances.

Like most here I was appaled by Karla's deal. Hindsight being what it is, it appears outwardly that mistakes were made. But we don't have the insight as to what ACTUALLY transpired when the deal was made and exactly how much evidence the police had that would guarantee a conviction, when the deal was struck.

 

[booboobear]

We are such a wimpy country, I'd be happy if there was even one vigilante group to take care of people like her.

What about people who kill their own babies ? The reason that they made a deal with her is to get the tapes which they used to nail Paul . I wonder if they would have been able to convict her of anything without the tapes.

 

[MarkII]

You sure about that? According to many sources on the internet, the husband was angry and gaved the location of the tapes, after her deal, to show that she was a willing participant.

It's convenient how those tapes were ordered destoyed and the husband cannot have any contact with the media eh. We need to protect "poor" Karla eh....

Aspects of how Karla came to make her deal were widely quoted right before her release. I'm putting my faith in the interviews with the Crown attourneys at that time, and they're explanations. Like any grisly stomach turning murder case, there's bound to be rumor and conjecture.

 

[sorely]

What about people who kill their own babies ? The reason that they made a deal with her is to get the tapes which they used to nail Paul . I wonder if they would have been able to convict her of anything without the tapes.

What about guys that break the law and see incall sp's

 

[MarkII]

It's convenient how those tapes were ordered destoyed and the husband cannot have any contact with the media eh. We need to protect "poor" Karla eh....

I'm pretty certain the tapes were ordered destroyed at the request of Ted Danson who represents the victim's families. I recall the motivation was to ensure they would never find their way into public hands for mass viewing.

 

[Perry Mason]

...at the request of Ted Danson who represents the victim's families.

Good one! What's the name of the movie? I didn't know he was a lawyer, too!

You mean Tim... no, no wait! Timmy's the dougnut guy!

Yes! It's Tim!

Perry

 

[MarkII]

good catch!....obviously not Ted...lol

 

[Corey]

We have a system of laws. I don't like it either but that is the system we are all and equally bound by.

It makes mistakes but it made no mistakes here except for the deal that was originally struck if that was a mistake. Much easier to say that with hindsight, but the law does not rely on that kind of hindsight except as a lesson on how to deal with the NEXT case. That is also part of the system of laws that we honour.

She was sentenced to 12 years and served every single day of it. I didn't and still don't like the sentence, but that is not the point.

The law is supreme to our personal wishes, views and preferences. And the law is not whatever angry or upset people may choose at any given time, because that only leads to mob rule and lynchings.

If the system does not work, change the system. Don't try to "take it out" on someone who submitted to it and what it dealt her: that is mob rule!

The way to honestly deal with Homolka is to change the system.

But the real problem is that neither enough citizens or any politicians are willing to change the system because they don't know what to change it to!

The "real problem," therefore, is lack of imagination... and that is not Homolka's fault.

These cases -- think of Marshall, Milgaard and Morin, too! -- come along to teach us something, but the lessons seldom are even recognized, much the less well learned.

Perry

You bring up some good points, HOWEVER you pretty much absolve Homolka of her crimes.

The system did not kill the two girls. Homolka and Bernardo did.

You've also taken the human element out of this case as if it were some bridge building exercise with popsicle sticks.

What has outraged many Canadians is that she has gotten away too lightly for crimes she committed.

The real problem is not lack of imagination, as you say, but that a murderer is free.

Was it a deal between two legal teams? Yes. Was it justice? Of course not.

Do I blame the cops for not being more thorough in their investigations? No. Police in small towns are not used to working on these type of crimes because they rarely happen. Speeding? Yes. Domestic disputes? For sure. But crimes of this magnitude? No f*cking way.

I wouldn't mind if we had a little mob rule once in a while. Politicians and big business would be a bit more cautious if it was around.

 

[Perry Mason]

...HOWEVER you pretty much absolve Homolka of her crimes.

Where? How?

I wouldn't mind if we had a little mob rule once in a while.

Sure, sure! Shall we start with hanging you because you are not the right gender/colour/height/shape/race/religion/country/class...

I don't like the mess we have now. I would like even less the mess we would have if we did it this way!

Perry

 

[Corey]

By transfering the blame from Homolka to the system.

In your post, you spent more time blaming the system than Homolka.

The bottom, bottom line is that Homolka committed crimes and was not sufficiently punished for them.

I read on another website she complained after Tammy's funeral that she was not getting enough attention from her parents. What a sick f*ck!

I believe that what goes around comes around... at least it should.

I've committed minor transgressions in my life: jay walking, helped friends during exams etc...

I'd like to think I've done more good than harm. I've also had enough shitty things happen that should make up for the errors I've made.

Would the elites of our society act more cautiously if there was a chance there'd be retribution from an angry mob? I think so.

Would Brian Mulroney have taken this country into a gut wrenching constitutional quagmire that is Meech Lake and Charlottetown?

Would John Roth have pumped and dumped Nortel stock?

Would Mount Cashel have happened if the brothers were aware they would have been live shark bait had they done what they had done?

You may call it mob rule. I call it balance.

 

[Geographic]

I think the original defence of bei...and set the matter down straight for a trial.

 

[Perry Mason]

In your post, you spent more time blaming the system than Homolka.

So?

The bottom, bottom line is that Homolka committed crimes and was not sufficiently punished for them.

According to whom? You or the Crown Attorney, defence counsel and Judge? What do you know about what was said and done in pre-Trial conferences, meetings, etc.? What do you know about the strength of the Crown's case against Bernardo without her evidence?

I don't say it necessarily about you (unless you choose to "wear it") but "Fools rush in where angels dare to tread."

Those who support mob rule always try to soften or hide it by calling it something else!

Perry

 

[Questor]

We have a system of laws. I don't like it either but that is the system we are all and equally bound by.

The way to honestly deal with Homolka is to change the system.

But the real problem is that neither enough citizens or any politicians are willing to change the system because they don't know what to change it to!

The "real problem," therefore, is lack of imagination... and that is not Homolka's fault.

These cases -- think of Marshall, Milgaard and Morin, too! -- come along to teach us something, but the lessons seldom are even recognized, much the less well learned.

Perry

By transfering the blame from Homolka to the system.

In your post, you spent more time blaming the system than Homolka.

You may call it mob rule. I call it balance.

Boy there is an awful lot of confused thinking going on here. I don't think that Perry Mason was blaming rape and murder on the system. He was blaming the light sentence that Holmolka received on the system. That Corey can't seem to distinguish between the two is a sad reflection of the level of his thinking and a repudiation of his stand in support of mob rule. Thanks Mr. Mason for elevating the discussion, pointing to the problem and how it must be solved. I suspect that those screaming for a vigilante justice lead lives that are sadly out of their control and so cases such as Holmolka act as lightening rods for their misplaced frustrations. People, why don't you do something productive that will produce some positive change in this world instead of screaming about how so-and-so should be murdered?

 

[booboobear]

Boy there is an awful lot of confused thinking going on here. I don't think that Perry Mason was blaming rape and murder on the system. He was blaming the light sentence that Holmolka received on the system. That Corey can't seem to distinguish between the two is a sad should be murdered?

We are all forgetting the point of the thread was removing the restrictions . I think it was right to remove them . Ted Danson the lawyer is doing nothing but try to make himself look good . He is only keeping the victims families wounds open . Karla is out they can't change that and they can't make up for her light sentence by trying to impose phony restrictions .

 

[Corey]

Boy there is an awful lot of confused thinking going on here. I don't think that Perry Mason was blaming rape and murder on the system. He was blaming the light sentence that Holmolka received on the system. That Corey can't seem to distinguish between the two is a sad reflection of the level of his thinking and a repudiation of his stand in support of mob rule. Thanks Mr. Mason for elevating the discussion, pointing to the problem and how it must be solved. I suspect that those screaming for a vigilante justice lead lives that are sadly out of their control and so cases such as Holmolka act as lightening rods for their misplaced frustrations. People, why don't you do something productive that will produce some positive change in this world instead of screaming about how so-and-so should be murdered?

Aw, boo-hoo. You really know how to hurt a guys feelings. Lemme wipe a tear from my face and watch a bit of Oprah to get my self-esteem back.

It's that doormat like attitude that's encouraging people to commit the various crimes.

If you've read my posts, I am not advocating anarchy but saying a little justice is a good thing.

Here's an anectdote:
A few years ago in NYC, a drunk driver in a van plowed into a crowded sidewalk, injuring several people. Before the police and ambulance arrived at the scene, a crowd surrounded the driver and beat the living shi*t out him, sending HIM to the hospital.

Did that guy ever drink and drive again? I don't know for sure but if I was a betting man, I'd say no.

Going back Homolka, if someone were to do something to her, I would not shed a tear. My sympathies lie with her victims families.

 

[Gord's Bro]

. . . If you've read my posts, I am not advocating anarchy but saying a little justice is a good thing. . .

Sorry Corey but the line between "a little justice" and anarchy is fuzzy at best.

The victim would have one view, the state another, those of us with bleeding hearts a third and, yes, prisoner rights advocates still another.

So where does "little justice" end and anarchy begin?

Gord's Bro.

 

[A-ROD]

Bottom line is this bitch was involved in multiple murders and only served 12 years.

I could think of 3 people on here that I would like to kill (jk) and I would get a whole lot more than 12 years.

Our system is broke and needs to be fixed...

It will take a tragedy in a politicians family before they look at it.
Same as DUI laws.. they never got changed till Bob Rae's parents were hit by a drunk driver.

I don't wish it on anybody, but I believe in my mind that this is reality