@karenstintz: I received a @torontopolice ticket today for an alleged rolling stop,on a side street while on my bike. Fighting it. http://t.co/0t4JdZvEE4
Karen Stintz (should have used transit)
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Hello, Karen you didn't get a ticket for a "rolling stop", you got nailed for Disobey Stop Sign - Fail to Stop. Maybe she should read the HTA section 128 (1) (a).
I wish cops would nail more cyclists for running stop signs, red lights, riding on sidewalks and the wrong way on one-way streets. You got what you deserve!
Don't think that much will happen, particularly because unlike Mayor Ford, Stintz seems to have more than 2 brain cells to rub together. Fiscally conservative and socially liberal, she could be our Hazel Mcallion.
At least more realistic for the 'left' then pie in the sky Olivia Chow prospects.
At least more realistic for the 'left' then pie in the sky Olivia Chow prospects.
Or we could just exempt cyclists from that rule as other jurisdictions have.
The solution is to word it that a cyclist must check all directions and only enter the intersection if they have a right of way.
A cyclist does not need to stop to do that safely, as several other jurisdictions have realised.
With that rule, I can see some cyclists feeling that they have the right of way and not stopping after a car has stopped and proceeded forward. Problems will ensue.
(You can slow down a car so much that you can scope out an intersection safely too but we have to stop because yielding rules will be abused).
I think it's because she doesn't want to prejudice herself in writing (social media can be used against her in court).
Bull farking shit. The Highway Traffic Act states that a bicycle is a vehicle and the operator MUST obey the laws for his/her own safety. I used to ride a bike quite often, and saw a lot of cyclist assholes who really needed to be taken off the road, as asshole drivers who need to be taken off the road. Any jurisdiction that does not enforce the HTA is fucked up. Show some responsibility and maturity if you want the privilege of using the road. A bike is NOT a toy.
Up, but I never could understand cyclist like this. Let's see, my vehicle weighs 4000 lbs and in her case. she and her bike might be 200 lbs She'd lose at first contact, simple physics.
Cyclists will start to think they are pedestrians and walk where every they want, whenever and however.
Why on earth would you let a cyclist slow down if a car has to stop. I know that I can easily assess the safety at an intersection from my car without making a full stop also.
She rides her bike (if only alleged, 2 days a week) because if she took the bus & subway everyday she would go bonkers being squished up close to strangers, some who need to have a re-fresher on hygiene and the magic of a bath. No wonder transit can not improve in this city as the decision makers don't take it everyday and see what a pain it has become. They only ride it on photo-ops and then on a "press" car with hardly anyone on it, so there is no urgency with them on expanding, fixing and coming-up with new bold ideas.
Some cyclists do that anyway but they would be in violation of either law. In states where they implemented the "Idaho stop" for cyclists problems have not ensued.
The rule is simply inappropriate for cyclists who incur a large momentum penalty for no gain in safety by following this rule. There is an easy way to rewrite the rule so it continues to be enforceable against people who run stop signs, but without the obvious car bias.
Id like to know why she is out riding...and not in the office at 9:42 am!
Taxpayers pay her to bike?
Taxpayers pay her to bike?
And cars use additional fuel and wear out brake linings. It's just as easy and just as safe for a car to 'roll' as stop sign as a bike. If we're going to change laws, lets do it right.
Have they instituted the "Idaho stop" in any city as large and with a population density anywhere close to Toronto? The problem I see is when you allow a cyclist to make make a judgement call whether it's safe to do a rolling stop at red lights and stop signs, is that they'll be expecting cars to wait until they blow through which will cause all sorts of problems.
Why not have cars and bikes follow the laws we already have in place in this big city. When I drive my car or ride my bicycle, I don't go through red lights or stop signs. It's not such a big deal to stop when cycling. Especially when I know that every car doesn't. I know I'm not going to win that war so I look out for myself. Just wish more cyclists would do the same, it's so incredibly easy to obey the law. It may add a couple minutes to your commute but you'll get there safely.
That's what I thought, what is she 17 years old? Strange for a City Councillor to post a pic of her ticket for failing to stop on Twitter. What's the message here? I slowed down but didn't completely stop so I shouldn't have received a ticket? I ride a bicycle unlike Ford who reads while driving everywhere? The Cop was lying? I was wrongfully accused? Yadda, yadda yadda... Can you imagine the headlines if Ford posted a pic of a traffic ticket? Maybe she's just training to be the next Mayor!
The fact that she posted on Twitter "an alleged rolling stop on a side street. Fighting it." make me think she's flakier than I first thought.
It isn't hard to stop for a stop sign or red light on a bicycle. I know, I cycle all the time. Maybe if you're in your 80's or 90's and still cycling, it would be harder to constantly stop/start but that's not the demographic who's A. cycling and B. running red lights and stop signs.
The majority of cyclist who are breaking the laws, are healthy individuals who should A. know the current laws and B. abide by them or pay a penalty if they get caught.
If I speed in my car, I know I may get a ticket. If I run a red light or a stop sign in my car or on my bicycle I may get a ticket. I know this, and the same law should apply to both cyclists and car drivers.
Yeah, fuji should have no problem with that. What's wrong with a car going through a red light or stop sign if the coast is clear?
You sound like you don't know how to manage momentum, or you're really out of shape.
On streets with traffic lights, I'm always looking ahead to see the colour of the next light. That way I can speed up/slow down to make it through on the green. On streets with stop signs I simply start off then coast to the stop, then start up again. I look at it as good exercise. Maybe you should too, instead of worrying about changing laws to make your life easier. Some more exercise may do you good.
