June 5 -- Bobby Kennedy R.I.P.

[TOVisitor]

There are those who look at things the way they are, and ask why... I dream of things that never were, and ask why not?

A moment of silence for a great person, killed June 5, 1968.

Thanks.

 

[ice_dog]

If I have a influence on my political thinking it would have to be RFK. It would have made a great election in 68 between Nixon and RFK but I'm really not sure who would have won.

As for the quote - RFK didn't say it - Ted Kennedy said it at RFK's funeral


bbk

You are correct, I beleive. Good memory.

 

[Asterix]

As for the quote - RFK didn't say it - Ted Kennedy said it at RFK's funeral


bbk

No, Ted Kennedy repeated it at Bobby's funeral, but RFK used it to end many of his own speeches. Originally, the line can be attributed to George Bernard Shaw. OK, back to my vacation.

 

[Cool Dude]

A great person?

Are we talking about the "good Bobby" or the "bad Bobby"?

Since this thread is about remembrance...
"blessent mon couer, d'une languer monotone".

 

[onthebottom]

Before my time I must admit, great quote though.

OTB

 

[TOVisitor]

You actually like Ted's quote? There is hope for you yet. Embrace the Dark Side my young apprentace.

bbk

It's BOBBY's line, bbking. Teddy repeated it at Bobby's funeral.

 

[Asterix]

It's BOBBY's line, bbking. Teddy repeated it at Bobby's funeral.

Well, no, as I said it was Shaw's line. To put it politely, Bobby borrowed it, though he didn't discourage people from thinking that it was he who came up with it, either.

 

[Shades]

Agree with Asterix...it was a GBS line, unattributed in its use by the Kennedy boys...

 

[onthebottom]

You actually like Ted's quote? There is hope for you yet. Embrace the Dark Side my young apprentace.
bbk

Well, no, as I said it was Shaw's line. To put it politely, Bobby borrowed it, though he didn't discourage people from thinking that it was he who came up with it, either.

Darth BBK it is LOL

So in addition to fat, murdering and drunk we should add thieving bastard….

Like I said, I’m too young to remember Bobby, my mother really liked him though ducks

OTB

 

[langeweile]

Darth BBK it is LOL

Indeed a man/woman with many names

1) Darth BBK

2) God of the Olympus

3) The great one

4) Asshat

pleasse add at your pleasure

 

[onthebottom]

Indeed a man/woman with many names

1) Darth BBK

2) God of the Olympus

3) The great one

4) Asshat

pleasse add at your pleasure

Martin's bitch.....

sorry bbk

OTB

 

[Cool Dude]

Ask Joe Biden.

He's an expert on steal....errr quoting Bobby Kennedy.

 

[Asterix]

First of all I didn't know about the Shaw link, never liked reading Shaw however that was interesting, I would have thought the Kennedy's wouldn't take the chance on not attributing the quote correctly. As for RFK actually saying this in a public forum, I stand by what I said. I do have an American Press book on the history of 1968 and it goes into detail about the assination and the funeral. It also goes thru Ted's eulogy and questions if RFK ever said thing dream thing. Unfortunately I can't find a link to that AP book but a link to the RFK memorial site does not attribute that quote to anyother speech than RFK's eulogy given by Ted. It does however give dates and places for other quotes by RFK, so you would think that this quote would have been taged to some major speech both in public or in the Senate if in fact had he said it.

http://www.rfkmemorial.org/RFK/emk_rfk.htm


Anyways it really isn't that important - people can believe what they want.



bbk

You're right, it's not really important, but go to the same site you linked and click on quotations and it's the main one listed as being identified to RFK. The reason I pointed out the true source as Shaw is that I think it important to de-mythologize our leaders whenever possible. I can't remember the name of the play the "dream" quote was from, but having read a little of Shaw wouldn't be surprised if it was intended with a sense of irony. He also wrote, "the world is a nursery in which men and women play at being heroes and heroines, saints and sinners".