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June 2002, Bush spoke in Atlanta to unveil a plan to increase minority homeownership.

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:D Another mission accomplished, lol.

“We can put light where there’s darkness, and hope where there’s despondency in this country. And part of it is working together as a nation to encourage folks to own their own home.” — President Bush, Oct. 15, 2002

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/12/21/business/21admin.html?hp

Its 6 pages long, too long to print.
 

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S.C. Joe said:
Another mission accomplished, lol.

“We can put light where there’s darkness, and hope where there’s despondency in this country. And part of it is working together as a nation to encourage folks to own their own home.” — President Bush, Oct. 15, 2002

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/12/21/business/21admin.html?hp

Its 6 pages long, too long to print.
Those poor innocent folks such as Representative Frank and Senator Dodd had nothing whatsoever to do with this. :rolleyes:

I had no idea that The New York Times was so fond of the The Wonderful Wizard of Oz "Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain!"

All this has been caused by systematic problems crossing party lines.
 

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They might be as screwed up, it was Mr Clinton who allowed the insurance companies to get in to banking. The story is 6 pages long.

I wished a new party all together was taking over and 90% in Washington were shown the door out.
 

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S.C. Joe said:
They might be as screwed up, it was Mr Clinton who allowed the insurance companies to get in to banking. The story is 6 pages long.

I wished a new party all together was taking over and 90% in Washington were shown the door out.
This whole thing has been building up over years.

As the saying goes "Victory has a thousand fathers, but defeat is an orphan." The same is true here, it's the President's fault, no it's the former President's fault, no it's the fault of the Congress, no it's the bureaucratic regulators fault etc. . . . and the truth is it’s the fault of all of them over the long term. Certainly I doubt any of them said oh let's see if we can wreak the economy today, but unwise policies can have long term negative consequences.
 

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Aardvark154 said:
This whole thing has been building up over years.

As the saying goes "Victory has a thousand fathers, but defeat is an orphan." The same is true here, it's the President's fault, no it's the former President's fault, no it's the fault of the Congress, no it's the bureaucratic regulators fault etc. . . . and the truth is it’s the fault of all of them over the long term. Certainly I doubt any of them said oh let's see if we can wreak the economy today, but unwise policies can have long term negative consequences.
How about the dumb asses who bought homes they couldn't afford?

OTB
 

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onthebottom said:
How about the dumb asses who bought homes they couldn't afford? OTB
While those other dumb asses increased prices for commodities, health insurance and decreased wages and shipped jobs to China, Philippines, Bangladesh and India with BUSH JR. tax incentives to do so? Come on OTB, the collapse is in the trillions and it was an outcome expected by those who did it. Can't blame one of those dumb asses for a couple of bucks and T&A saying the can change an agreement at any time for any reason. CNBC TV India is hiring.....8000 rupiahs a month, that will pay it off! Lots of chicks too.

Just blame your buddy Madoff and the SEC Chairman Chris Cox. "Yeah, he won't eat it, he hates everything".

Gyaos.
 

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the person who bought a house he couldn't afford has some responability.

The people who approved tens of thousands of these, then packaged and resold them and built an entire unregulated branch of financial services on them and as a result created more debt then they could ever manage, are also responsable.

I think who deserves what percent of blame shouldbe obvious.

Now we need to learn and not allow 75% of financial services to go unregulated.
 

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onthebottom said:
How about the dumb asses who bought homes they couldn't afford?

OTB
Typical bottie bootlicker mentality, blame the little people while exempting the crooked banker dumb asses who told them to lie on their loans to get them in the first place, because 'Dubya's Deregulations' allowed the crooked banker dumb asses to do this in the first place!...:rolleyes:

8 years of great Dubya Economic Performance INDEED!......

I rightly called ALL THIS A GIANT PONZI SCHEME years ago and you denied it all along bottie!

Guess you are WRONG AGAIN bottie!
 

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I started a thread titled: "Should banks lend more." I really need a $10,000 PLC so I can finance an SC addiction (not something silly like buying a house). What is $10,000 to a bank but it will make me and a bunch of dancers happy and we all know that dancers are big spenders (new shoes) and will stimulate the economy and pull us out of recession?
 

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Go for it!

Rockslinger said:
I started a thread titled: "Should banks lend more." I really need a $10,000 PLC so I can finance an SC addiction (not something silly like buying a house). What is $10,000 to a bank but it will make me and a bunch of dancers happy and we all know that dancers are big spenders (new shoes) and will stimulate the economy and pull us out of recession?
Sounds like a sound fiscal plan and very do-able given the Deregulations Dubya supports!
Dubya calls that his, Texas/Enron Entrepreneurial Spirit Model, at its best!....;)
 

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gramage said:
the person who bought a house he couldn't afford has some responability.

The people who approved tens of thousands of these, then packaged and resold them and built an entire unregulated branch of financial services on them and as a result created more debt then they could ever manage, are also responsable.

I think who deserves what percent of blame shouldbe obvious.

Now we need to learn and not allow 75% of financial services to go unregulated.
The bank share owners have paid the price, as they should.

OTB
 

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onthebottom said:
The bank share owners have paid the price, as they should.

OTB
But the bankershave not, and they invented this.
 

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WoodPeckr said:
Typical bottie bootlicker mentality, blame the little people while exempting the crooked banker dumb asses who told them to lie on their loans to get them in the first place, because 'Dubya's Deregulations' allowed the crooked banker dumb asses to do this in the first place!...:rolleyes:

8 years of great Dubya Economic Performance INDEED!......

I rightly called ALL THIS A GIANT PONZI SCHEME years ago and you denied it all along bottie!

Guess you are WRONG AGAIN bottie!

Come on
Time for a reality check
Your saying that people who knew they could not afford the loan when they signed have no responsibility at all?
They were just hoping the value of the property would increase sell it and cover the loan
Bush is a moron and was clearly not qualified for the job, but he did not make those people take the money.

I had many opps to sign up for a mortgage during the boom. But I did not think it was wise to stretch my finances

All of us have a responsibility to ourselves and our families to live within our means. If we exceed it because of lack of judgment there is a penalty to be paid. Unfortunately many are paying that price now.
That is the way capitalism works.

At some point you will run out of other people to blame
I can see it now. You will be cursing Obama in 3 years time because he did not support the UAW (in the manner you think he should have) and your out of work
6 years from now you will be blaming the next guy
 

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Think you need that reality check Johnny

JohnLarue said:
Come on
Time for a reality check
Your saying that people who knew they could not afford the loan when they signed have no responsibility at all?
They were just hoping the value of the property would increase sell it and cover the loan
Bush is a moron and was clearly not qualified for the job, but he did not make those people take the money.
NO Johnny! That's what YOU SAID! Don't try twisting what I said.
I said Dubya's De-Regulations gave a Green Light to the Enron/Banker crowd and what they did! These weasels, you pal around with, were the ones telling these people to go for things they thought they couldn't afford because they would appreciate in value wildly as they were, as their giant Ponzi schemes grew!

JohnLarue said:
I had many opps to sign up for a mortgage during the boom. But I did not think it was wise to stretch my finances

All of us have a responsibility to ourselves and our families to live within our means. If we exceed it because of lack of judgment there is a penalty to be paid. Unfortunately many are paying that price now.
That is the way capitalism works.
Big Deal, I did the same, I knew better to.
Sure 'the many' were LIED to by crooked banker types that should be in jail.
Sadly these crooked weasels are still free, to figure ways to carve bonuses out of the 700 Billion of MY HARD EARNED TAX DOLLARS, while still flying around in their Corporate Jets, that you seem to think is all fine and dandy, your way of capitalism working!
You prefer instead to see the Big 3 are destroyed than your crooked banker pals!

JohnLarue said:
At some point you will run out of other people to blame
I can see it now. You will be cursing Obama in 3 years time because he did not support the UAW (in the manner you think he should have) and your out of work
6 years from now you will be blaming the next guy
The only difference is I want to hang the crooks who caused all this in the first place, while you prefer being their apologist!....:rolleyes:
 

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This Op-Ed by Noam Neusner, a former speechwriter for the President was in Sunday's New York Post.


The New York Post


To The New York Times, the entire world is filled with grievances, and President Bush is almost always the cause. That's the only reasonable explanation for Sunday's lengthy, one-sided Page One screed on the collapse of US home prices.

First, a bit of background: I worked in the Bush White House and wrote speeches - cited in the Times piece - where the president extolled the virtues of homeownership.

Many people agreed. Homeownership under this administration rose to record levels, especially among minorities. The Times thinks this was good politics; actually, it's good policy. Homeownership is better for communities and historically, has been the surest (and sometimes the only) way for moderate-income Americans to build wealth.

We now see that some of those buyers - white and non-white - should not have taken on the financial responsibilities of owning a home. When prices stopped rising, the equity that they'd expected to build disappeared, and their homes' values dipped below the size of their loans. And so we have had spiraling foreclosures, with disastrous impacts on lenders and some investors, who themselves borrowed heavily to maximize their return.

The Times spends dozens of column inches blaming this financial trauma primarily on President Bush. Except for a pro-forma "to be sure" paragraph early in the piece, no one else comes in for criticism - not the borrowers, not the lenders, not the investors in mortgage-backed products, not the highly paid executives of the federally backed finance agencies, not the developers - and, naturally, not the Democrats, who were warned of the impending danger and could've headed it off.

Sen. Chris Dodd and Rep. Barney Frank appear nowhere in the article - even though these two had the power, by virtue of their leadership of key congressional committees since 2006, to bring reforms to Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, the two agencies at the heart of the housing-finance bubble.

Even before Democrats took back Congress, Dodd and Frank managed to beat back Bush administration reforms starting in 2002. Dodd and Frank repeatedly declined to consider the president's proposals, which would have probably cut down the housing froth by forcing Fannie and Freddie to stop buying risky mortgage-based investments and subjecting them to full SEC oversight.

In 2003, Frank said the administration was exaggerating the risk. Last summer, Dodd still called these ideas "ill-advised" while Frank called them "inane." The Times chose to mention none of that.

The Times notes that housing-industry leaders gave political donations to Bush. But Fannie and Freddie's biggest giving went to Democrats, including Dodd, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi and President-elect Barack Obama. The Times chose not to mention that.

The Times mentions that Bush gave speeches on the merits of homeownership. But Bush also spoke often of the need for reforms of housing finance: first through his budget proposals starting in 2001, and then via his advisers' testimony to Congress starting in 2002 and then from the stump starting in August 2007 - culminating in this year's State of the Union Address, and 17 other times in 2008 alone before Congress finally decided to act. The Times left that out, too.

What's perhaps most disappointing is that, thanks to its one-sided reporting, the Times missed the opportunity to explain how our government had become, by choice, an active co-investor in America's home real-estate market, carrying a lot of risk and very little opportunity for reward.

The Times could have written about who was responsible - both Republican and Democratic lawmakers. It could have written about how a few voices - including not only President Bush and his top economic advisers, but also Fed chief Alan Greenspan and Clinton Treasury Secretary Larry Summers - had repeatedly warned of the looming danger yet failed to win necessary reforms.

The Times could've done all these things, but chose not to. Beating up on Bush, it appears, is easier.
 
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