JP is no longer a blue jay- Time to celebrate!

ricepower88

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The Toronto Blue Jays announced on Saturday that effective immediately, J.P. Ricciardi will be leaving his position as Senior Vice President, Baseball Operations, and General Manager.

"This was a tough decision and a difficult one for me personally as I have enjoyed J.P.'s friendship and his perspective on the game,” said Blue Jays acting President and CEO Paul Beeston in a statement. "J.P. has put an incredible amount of effort into improving the team and he has brought along a number of great young players. However, I feel that it is time for a change and accordingly we have decided to move on."

Details to follow.

http://tsn.ca/mlb/story/?id=293555
 

Rockslinger

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Bring back Gillick (check spelling). The Jays slide began when Gillick left and they made Gord Ash GM.
 
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Next! ...........

Now who are you guys gonna blame when they suck?

BTW, Gillick is still with the Phillies as an adviser. At 72 I doubt he will return as GM anywhere.
 

maurice93

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Bring back Gillick (check spelling). The Jays slide began when Gillick left and they made Gord Ash GM.
To be fair Gillick left a baseball system that had not drafted well from the late 80's to early 90's. making it difficult for any successor.
 

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Did the Jays later force Gord Ash to leave as well? Or, did Gord leave voluntarily after winning no pennants?
he was fired cuz they failed to live up to their glory day, but they did have a fantastic line up too bad the pitching were a few years behind

and that team actually had to contend to a far superior yankee team, orioles and red sox.
 

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The Toronto Blue Jays announced on Saturday that effective immediately, J.P. Ricciardi will be leaving his position as Senior Vice President, Baseball Operations, and General Manager.

"This was a tough decision and a difficult one for me personally as I have enjoyed J.P.'s friendship and his perspective on the game,” said Blue Jays acting President and CEO Paul Beeston in a statement. "J.P. has put an incredible amount of effort into improving the team and he has brought along a number of great young players. However, I feel that it is time for a change and accordingly we have decided to move on."

Details to follow.

http://tsn.ca/mlb/story/?id=293555
... and an impromptu parade breaks out in Toronto!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YwEMxYggoKQ
 
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"This was a tough decision and a difficult one for me personally as I have enjoyed J.P.'s friendship and his perspective on the game,” said Blue Jays acting President and CEO Paul Beeston in a statement.
http://tsn.ca/mlb/story/?id=293555
Tough decision my hairy ass.

Richardi's record averaged just over 80 wins in his 8 years here.

This was long overdue.
 

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I'm just not sure anybody else can do any better. Lets look at the facts. Their payroll isn't high enough and they play in the best division in baseball.

Sure Tampa doing just fine but they were terrible for years. As a result they got high draft choices which translated into good players. toronto's problem is that they are never terrible so they don't get the high high picks.

The wells signing in hindsight is aweful but at the time he was a .300 hitter with 30hrs and 100RBI's who was in his prime. It looked like the sky was the limit with him. Many GM's would have signed that deal.

Rios is another odd one. Who knew he was going to tank like he did. At the time his deal seemed logical. Christ the Chisox thought he was worth the money.

Frank thomas was good for one year. So J.P. gave him one year to long, but that was the price he had to pay to get him.

B.J. Ryan was lights out until he got hurt. Who could have predicted that?

They didn't resign Carpenter but who knew he was going to come back so strong after his surgery. I think they offered him a minor league contract to sit out a year to heal but St.Louis gave him the major league deal. St.Louis took a chance and it worked out but how many teams would have taken that gamble?

How was J.P. supposed to know that Marcum,Jansen, Mcgowan,Litsch were going to get hurt? There was no foreseeing that.

The Burnett signing was decent. Not great but not bad either.
 

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I dunno....
True that it would be hard to do better, but it would also be hard to do worse. The guy took a cash-strapped team and, when given money, threw it at whoever would take it in a haphazardly fashion.

I'm just not sure anybody else can do any better. Lets look at the facts. Their payroll isn't high enough and they play in the best division in baseball.

True

Sure Tampa doing just fine but they were terrible for years. As a result they got high draft choices which translated into good players. toronto's problem is that they are never terrible so they don't get the high high picks.

Also true, but the MLB draft is such a farce that having the top pick is no guarentee that you are getting the best player available.

The wells signing in hindsight is aweful but at the time he was a .300 hitter with 30hrs and 100RBI's who was in his prime. It looked like the sky was the limit with him. Many GM's would have signed that deal.

True, but who was predicting Wells to be one of the top 10 players in all of baseball. If he did, then you pay him. Part of what should have been the beauty of the deal was that Wells was to be paid handsomely over the remainder of his arbitration years, and the Jays were to receive a 'discount' on his first few 'post-arbitration' years. Look at the Albert Pujlos contract.

Rios is another odd one. Who knew he was going to tank like he did. At the time his deal seemed logical. Christ the Chisox thought he was worth the money.

True. This deal is more a Rios developing thing than a JP thing. Compared to what he was doing when the deal was signed if he had slightly improved, then the deal would be great for both sides. However, his tanking made the deal a huge mistake. The Jays have always been 'waiting' for Rios.

Frank thomas was good for one year. So J.P. gave him one year to long, but that was the price he had to pay to get him.

True. It wasn't the two-year deal that made it bad, it was the third year option (that kicked in with at-bats) that made the deal bad. If Thomas hadn't been paid more than he ever was as a White Sox player... What was JP doing trying to build a contender by making the most threatening offensive player one that had no chance of playing in the field. Not to mention that he had had many injury filled years with the ChiSox and one 'comeback' year in Oakland.

B.J. Ryan was lights out until he got hurt. Who could have predicted that?

Closers, as a position are very over-rated. Not to mention that they have a 3-5 year shelf life and are very sporadic in effectiveness (see Brad Lidge; and I am not only referring to this year).

They didn't resign Carpenter but who knew he was going to come back so strong after his surgery. I think they offered him a minor league contract to sit out a year to heal but St.Louis gave him the major league deal. St.Louis took a chance and it worked out but how many teams would have taken that gamble?

I can't really blame him for this move. Carpenter was underachieving as a Jay anyway. Who would have believed that he would become an 'ace' after his injuries.

How was J.P. supposed to know that Marcum,Jansen, Mcgowan,Litsch were going to get hurt? There was no foreseeing that.

Agreed.

The Burnett signing was decent. Not great but not bad either.
This was horrible. The Jays took all the risk on a often injured pitcher. The contract stuck the Jays with him, had he been hurt, and allowed him to walk if he pitched well. Add this to the fact that the Jays paid Thomas last year (there may be some payment this year in buying out his contract) and they'll be paying Ryan big dollars next year. At least they got rid of Rolen when his value was highest.
 

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Good by JP...don't let the door hit you on the way out.

8 years, and he never once got this team even close to competing. If this team is close come August, the Dome will be full game after game. This city WANTS this team to compete, not just show up. JP never could grasp making 30 moves a season and shipping talent out come June and July for draftpicks wasn't impressing anyone.

I am glad he didn't get Doc out of town. He would have messed the trade up and I for one hope the new management of this team will find a way to keep Doc as a Blue Jay. Trading him for guys who will allow this team to finish 3rd next year is just pointless.
 

maurice93

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hurt. Who could have predicted that?

They didn't resign Carpenter but who knew he was going to come back so strong after his surgery. I think they offered him a minor league contract to sit out a year to heal but St.Louis gave him the major league deal. St.Louis took a chance and it worked out but how many teams would have taken that gamble?
I am a JP doubter, especially when it comes to giving and structuring contracts but the story is different then that and can't blame JP at all.

Carpenter was arbitration eligible - that means the Jays had to offer at least 85% of his previous year contract which Carpenter would have certainly accepted... I believe that would have been in the 2-3 million guaranteed range for a pitcher who had downs in his last year.

Once you don't offer arbitration to an arbitration eligible player or a free agent he becomes a free agent that you can't resign him May 1 of the following year.

So its not even that the Jays wouldn't offer a minor league deal. They couldn't.
 

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Ding-Dong, the witch is dead... or gone, anyway.:D
 

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Now Beeston has to go.
Time to blow this thing up and start fresh aka Raptors and Leafs over the last few years.
Get some fresh ideas and fresh air in the Skydome.
 

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I'm glad to see JP gone. Total waste of space. Let's see if we can make the playoffs in the next 5 years...
It seemed many times during the season when the hitting was working the pitching was not and visa versa. They would lose by one or two runs in those games when the pitching was good. Can you blame JP or Cito. Some teams find a way to get that extra run and push it to extra innings. Also the errors started to creep up and let games get away from them. Unlike early in the season.
 

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Celebrate what exactly? you still got an ownership that uses the team as an advertising front to sell cell phones and digital boxes!! on the flip side no one else seems interested in buying this organization, keep this up of crowds of 11 thousand and Jays fans you will have to travel to Portland, Charlotte or Vegas to see your team.
 
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