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A good start from Deans of J Schools urging NYTimes to Do Their Job


Journalism professors call on New York Times to review Oct. 7 report
A major investigative report into sexual violence in the Hamas attack on Israel has drawn criticism inside and outside the newspaper

By Laura Wagner
Updated April 29, 2024 at 10:16 a.m. EDT|Published April 29, 2024 at 9:10 a.m. EDT

The exterior of the New York Times building in Manhattan. (Mark Lennihan/AP)

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More than 50 tenured journalism professors from top universities have signed a letter calling on the New York Times to address questions about a major investigative report that described a “pattern of gender-based violence” in the Oct. 7 Hamas attacks on Israel.

The letter follows months of criticism and concerns raised by outside critics as well as some Times staffers about the credibility of its sourcing and the editorial process for the story.

The letter, signed by professors at colleges including New York University, University of Pennsylvania, Emory and the University of Texas, asks the Times to “immediately commission a group of journalism experts to conduct a thorough and full independent review of the reporting, editing and publishing processes for this story and release a report of the findings.”




It was sent Monday morning to Times publisher A.G. Sulzberger, executive editor Joe Kahn and international editor Philip Pan.
In a statement, a spokeswoman for the Times said that the paper has “reviewed the work that was done on this piece of journalism and [we] are satisfied that it met our editorial standards.”
The letter, obtained by The Washington Post, acknowledged the impossibility of “writing perfectly accurate drafts of history in real time” but emphasized that news organizations must be willing to interrogate their own work.
It notes that the Times and many other publications have reassessed stories in the manner the professors suggest. In 2004, the Times reviewed its coverage of the run-up to the invasion of Iraq; in a note to readers, editors later acknowledged they identified “problematic” stories that had been based on the accounts of Iraqi sources “whose credibility has come under increasing public debate.”



Signers include Robert McChesney of the University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign; Victor Pickard of the University of Pennsylvania, Maggy Zanger of the University of Arizona and Diane Winston of the University of Southern California.
Questions began to emerge shortly after the Times published its December investigation headlined “‘Screams Without Words’: Sexual Violence on Oct. 7.”
Relatives of a woman slain in the attack, whose story became a central focus of the Times report, cast doubts on reporting suggesting that she was raped, while other critics pointed to discrepancies in various accounts offered by an eyewitness cited in the story.
The Intercept reported that the Times’ flagship podcast, “The Daily,” had shelved a planned episode about the report due to these questions. In response, the Times launched an intensive internal investigation to determine who had leaked newsroom information, a campaign the paper’s Guild called a “racially targeted witch hunt.” The Times firmly denied the Guild’s claim.



The Intercept also reported that the Times relied heavily on two relatively inexperienced freelancers in Israel — Anat Schwartz and Adam Sella — to report the story, while Times correspondent Jeffrey Gettleman was responsible for weaving it together.
The professors’ letters raised concerns about “such reporting arrangements,” noting that Pulitzer-winning reporter Rick Bragg resigned from the Times in 2003 after it was revealed that he had relied heavily on a less-experienced freelancer for reporting.
The letter also makes reference to comments made by Gettleman in an interview after the story was published, in which he said he did not want to use the word “evidence” to describe certain details in the story because it “suggests you’re trying to prove an allegation or prove a case in court.”

“This language is in stark contrast to the story itself which uses the word ‘evidence’ in the sub headline referring to the same information Gettleman was apparently discussing on stage,” the letter said.


In March, the Times reported that new video evidence “undercut” some of the details in its initial investigation. But the paper did not issue a correction or a retraction of the December report, which the journalism professors called an “unusual decision.”
Shahan Mufti, a professor at the University of Richmond, said in an interview that the unusual circumstances called for response from journalism educators.
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“We in journalism education are not typically in the business of telling people in the profession how to do their job,” he said. “This required serious consideration and deliberation, and we came to the conclusion that this is necessary.”

Sandy Tolan, a professor at the University of Southern California, said that the timing of the story — as public opinion in the United States was shifting toward a more critical understanding of the devastation of Israel’s bombing of civilian areas in Gaza — is also relevant.


“As the death toll mounted in Gaza, and criticism was beginning to focus more on Israel, the New York Times released this story, which seems to have been published prematurely,” he said. “Being cognizant of the potential damages of and consequences of the timing, given that it didn’t appear to be as well-reported as it should have been, there’s all the more reason why an external review is appropriate.”
An independent review could find the Times did nothing wrong, the letter says, or find errors in the way the newsroom operated. Either way, the letter concludes, an immediate review “is the only responsible and credible thing to do.”
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The NYT hasn't practiced journalism for years so this doesn't come as much of a surprise.
No doubt there were rapes/sexual assaults committed but there is little convincing evidence it occurred on a mass scale.
 

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The NYT hasn't practiced journalism for years so this doesn't come as much of a surprise.
No doubt there were rapes/sexual assaults committed but there is little convincing evidence it occurred on a mass scale.
There is no evidence it happened at all.
 

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Note to journalism professors - the raping wasn't the worst part of Oct 7. It was the killing and the hostage taking.
 

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There is no evidence it happened at all.

The challenge for most of us is to distinguish the truth from the propaganda. As a rule I take anything put out by the IDF or their voluble agents so eagerly sought out by western media, with skepticism until supported by independent sources. Sometimes their initial lies are so palpably ludicrous e.g. "We didn't do it, they did it to themselves"... that they are forced to retract and to promise an investigation. The resultant report is hardly more credible because it is the IDF investigating the IDF. They promise, esp when asked by Washington, to conduct an independent third party investigation , but that hardly ever happens and is conveniently forgotten by Washington. I am still waiting for one, of the videographed murder of Shireen Abu Akleh. Or for that matter for the murder of Rachel Corrie in 2003! And to find out who, if anyone, was held to account.
If independent sources blow away the "beheaded babies or babies cooked in ovens" lies, then something else pops up. The attempt always is to inflame emotions to detract from public sympathy that may be swaying towards the other side. A couple of weeks ago I saw some guy called Deutch (sp?) on TV exhorting everyone, especially women, to watch a movie on rapes that he had seen! Perhaps he hopes to dissuade the lovely ladies having seder on the street, or the other women being assaulted by ham handed cops on varsity campuses.
There is a curated show, among others, apparently making the rounds; again displaying the horrors of Hamas.
Even some big guns such as Sheryl Sandberg have been recruited who is promoting her "Documentary" on the same topic.


Are we expected in our outrage to past rapes, somehow, to justify the ongoing murder of an innocent Gazan child every ten minutes? Oh yeah...right to self defense.
 

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The challenge for most of us is to distinguish the truth from the propaganda. As a rule I take anything put out by the IDF or their voluble agents so eagerly sought out by western media, with skepticism until supported by independent sources. Sometimes their initial lies are so palpably ludicrous e.g. "We didn't do it, they did it to themselves"... that they are forced to retract and to promise an investigation. The resultant report is hardly more credible because it is the IDF investigating the IDF. They promise, esp when asked by Washington, to conduct an independent third party investigation , but that hardly ever happens and is conveniently forgotten by Washington. I am still waiting for one, of the videographed murder of Shireen Abu Akleh. Or for that matter for the murder of Rachel Corrie in 2003! And to find out who, if anyone, was held to account.
If independent sources blow away the "beheaded babies or babies cooked in ovens" lies, then something else pops up. The attempt always is to inflame emotions to detract from public sympathy that may be swaying towards the other side. A couple of weeks ago I saw some guy called Deutch (sp?) on TV exhorting everyone, especially women, to watch a movie on rapes that he had seen! Perhaps he hopes to dissuade the lovely ladies having seder on the street, or the other women being assaulted by ham handed cops on varsity campuses.
There is a curated show, among others, apparently making the rounds; again displaying the horrors of Hamas.
Even some big guns such as Sheryl Sandberg have been recruited who is promoting her "Documentary" on the same topic.


Are we expected in our outrage to past rapes, somehow, to justify the ongoing murder of an innocent Gazan child every ten minutes? Oh yeah...right to self defense.
Exactly.

Israel has for decades tried to hide their own atrocities by demonizing and dehumanizing Palestinians.
The very first wave of news was filled with the beheaded babies and rape stories.
They do it because it works on people like mandrill.

Same with the UNRWA, torture a few workers into confessing they were Hamas and there is justification for cutting off all aid to Gaza.
 
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Exactly.

Israel has for decades tried to hide their own atrocities by demonizing and dehumanizing Palestinians.
The very first wave of news was filled with the beheaded babies and rape stories.
They do it because it works on people like mandrill.

Same with the UNRWA, torture a few workers into confessing they were Hamas and there is justification for cutting off all aid to Gaza.

McGill University Admin. Is "Neutral" Here


But McGill Flips & Asks Cops To Vacate


So what happenned in the interim? Montreal Gazette doesn't bother to investigate whether big money bags threatened Deep Saini.
 
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UCLA Violent Counter Protest; More Zionist Thuggery


California leaders condemn violence at UCLA after raid on pro-Palestine camp
Los Angeles mayor calls late-night attack by counter-demonstrators ‘abhorrent’ as footage shows people wielding sticks

Dani Anguiano and Lois Beckett in Los Angeles, Diana Ramirez-Simon in Oakland
Wed 1 May 2024 21.48 BST
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The University of California in Los Angeles was reeling on Wednesday following a late-night violent attack by counter-demonstrators on a pro-Palestinian protest encampment, as the state’s governor condemned a slow response from law enforcement to some of the worst violence seen since students across the US intensified their protests in support of Gaza.
As the Los Angeles mayor called the violence “abhorrent” and California’s governor said he was monitoring the situation, UCLA announced it was cancelling all classes on Wednesday “due to the distress caused by the violence that took place on Royce Quad late last night”.

“The limited and delayed campus law enforcement response at UCLA last night was unacceptable – and it demands answers,” the office of the California governor, Gavin Newsom, said in a statement.

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On campus on Wednesday morning, a helicopter hovered overhead while groups of security guards and law enforcement stood around a sectioned-off area of campus filled with tents. Students slowed as they passed the barricades, taking in the scene.
“I think all of us are in a state of shock,” said Noah, a UCLA law student who only felt comfortable using their first name.
UCLA students who witnessed the moments leading up to the attack on the encampment described a harrowing scene, which started before midnight.
A large group of counter-protesters wearing black with white masks made their way to the encampment and began striking students with planks of wood and pepper spray, Daniel Harris told the Guardian.
“This is stuff that only happens in movies,” Harris said he thought at the time, describing the experienced of masked counter-protesters marching through campus as surreal.
Meghna Mair, a second-year undergraduate who said she took part in pro-Palestinian protests last week, also witnessed the masked group march through campus on their way to the encampment.
“I knew where they were going,” she said. “I didn’t know what to do. I was so sickened and horrified.”
Aerial footage showed people wielding sticks or poles to attack wooden boards that had been put up as a makeshift barricade to protect the encampment, some holding placards or umbrellas. At least one firework was thrown into the camp.
Fights between both groups ensued, with people grappling in fistfights and shoving, kicking and using sticks to beat one another, according to reports and video from the scene. People threw chairs and other objects and at one point a group piled on a person on the ground, kicking and beating them with sticks until others pulled them out of the scrum.
Protesters try to remove barricades at a pro-Palestinian encampment
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Protesters try to remove barricades at a pro-Palestinian encampment. Photograph: David Swanson/Reuters
The violence continued from 11pm until 3am, with security guards and law enforcement officials at the scene initially retreating or failing to intervene, multiple news outlets reported.
The Los Angeles Times reported that a group of security guards could be seen observing the clashes, but that they did not intervene. The UCLA campus police (UCPD) showed up shortly after 11pm to break up the conflict, but left within minutes, the Daily Bruin, UCLA’s student newspaper, reported.
The UCPD chief, John Thomas, told the student newspaper that officers had come under attack while trying to help an injured person, so they left. Some of the security guards hired by the university also retreated and hid inside a building last night as counter-protesters attacked, the Daily Bruin reported. Thomas and a UCLA spokesperson did not immediately respond to requests for comment.
Teresa Wanatabe, a higher education reporter for the Los Angeles Times, tweeted just before 1am that she was receiving texts from “terrified UCLA students” in the pro-Palestinian encampment, telling her: “This is urgent. Please. It’s getting bad. No police.”
Administrators at the university said in a 12.40am statement that they had called in law enforcement officers to stem the violence.
But while Los Angeles police arrived at the scene at about 1.40am, officers did not immediately break up the two sets of protesters, and the clashes continued for at least an hour, the Los Angeles Times and CalMatters reported.
“Counter protestors continue fighting in front of police line about 100ft away,” a CalMatters reporter tweeted shortly before 2am.
“Law enforcement simply stood at the edge of the lawn and refused to budge as we screamed for their help,” students with the UC Divest at UCLA group said in a statement early on Wednesday morning.
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California highway patrol officers line up on the lawn at UCLA. Photograph: David Swanson/Reuters
Not until nearly 3am did police take action: “Exactly 1 hour after arriving at UCLA, police move in closer and counter-protesters move away, leaving the the encampment alone.” There were “no visible arrests”, CalMatters reported, noting “counter-protesters have left”.
A spokesperson for the Los Angeles police department referred all questions about the law enforcement response to UCLA’s police department, calling it “the lead agency” at the scene.
“Horrific acts of violence occurred at the encampment tonight and we immediately called law enforcement for mutual aid support,” Mary Osako, a vice-chancellor at the university, said. “The fire department and medical personnel are on the scene. We are sickened by this senseless violence and it must end.”
Hours later, broadcast footage showed a police cordon slowly clearing a central quad beside the encampment.
It was not clear how many people had been injured in the incident. Nor was it clear who the attackers were. Footage showed mostly male counter-demonstrators, many of them masked and some apparently older than students.
Some yelled pro-Jewish comments as pro-Palestinian protesters tried to fight them off.

The Daily Bruin said on Twitter/X that four of its reporters were followed and assaulted during the night.
Writing on X, the mayor of Los Angeles, Karen Bass, condemned the violence as “absolutely abhorrent and inexcusable”.
Ananya Roy, a geography professor at UCLA, condemned the university over its lack of response to the counter-protesters. “It gives people impunity to come to our campus as a rampaging mob,” she told the LA Times. “The word is out they can do this repeatedly and get away with it. I am ashamed of my university.”
The clashes began shortly after Gene Block, the UCLA chancellor, said the campus’s pro-Palestine encampment was “unlawful”, adding that students who remained in it would face disciplinary action.
In an editorial, UCLA’s student newspaper blamed the administration for failing to take action to prevent violence between pro-Palestinian demonstrators and counter-protesters. “Will someone have to die on our campus tonight for you to intervene, Gene Block?” the students asked the university’s chancellor.
There were signs over the weekend that violence at the site of UCLA’s pro-Palestinian encampment was escalating, with reports of pushes, shoving and punches thrown and a university spokesperson confirming “physical altercations among demonstrators”.
The 7 October attack on southern Israel by Hamas militants from Gaza and the ensuing Israeli offensive on the Palestinian territory have unleashed the biggest outpouring of US student activism since the anti-racism protests of 2020.
Late on Tuesday, New York City police arrested dozens of pro-Palestinian demonstrators holed up in an academic building on Columbia University campus in New York and removed a protest encampment that the Ivy League school had sought to dismantle for nearly two weeks.
Live video images showed police in riot gear marching on the campus in upper Manhattan, the focal point of the nationwide student protests. Officers used an armoured vehicle with a bridging mechanism to gain entry to the second floor of the building.
Officers said they used flash-bangs to disperse the crowd but denied using teargas as part of the operation. Officers were seen leading protesters handcuffed with zip-ties to a line of police buses waiting outside campus gates.
The police operation, which was largely over within a couple of hours, follows nearly two weeks of tensions, with pro-Palestinian protesters at the university ignoring an ultimatum on Monday to abandon their encampment or risk suspension.
Columbia University officials had earlier threatened academic expulsion of the students who had seized Hamilton Hall, an eight-storey neoclassical building blocked by protesters who linked arms to form a barricade and chanted pro-Palestinian slogans.
The university said on Tuesday it had asked police to enter the campus to “restore safety and order to our community”.
The Associated Press and Reuters contributed to this report
 
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niniveh

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Or they are the acolytes of the pretender to the Pahlevi throne who has been making the rounds on the usual media broadcasts. Never surprises me.
 

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Let's not forget that Palestinian villages and towns on the West Bank face these kind of pogroms day in and day out, under the full protection of the IDF.
 
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