Just when you thought it was safe --- the Japanese health system is on the verge of collapse.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-52336388
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-52336388
Japan - Part Deux
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Japan took a lax approach in the fight against the Coronavirus and as soon there was sharp increase in the number of confirmed daily cases and deaths they took strict measures and declared a state of emergency.
Japan has over 126 million people and only 13,000 cases and 350 deaths.Just when you thought it was safe --- the Japanese health system is on the verge of collapse.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-52336388
If this enough to put them on the verge of collapse, their health system is severely inadequate.
Canada has less than 1/3 the population and 47,000 cases and 2600 deaths.
These numbers are way more than Japan, net.
Proportionally, the numbers are 3 times higher, 141,000 cases and 7800 dead, compared to Japan.
Japan has a much more densely populated and elderly population so their numbers should be way higher than Canada, not way lower.
So they took the Swedish approach & it's backfiring on them? Sort of like the UK, too?Japan took a lax approach in the fight against the Coronavirus and as soon there was sharp increase in the number of confirmed daily cases and deaths they took strict measures and declared a state of emergency.
Is there an enforced required by law shutdown of businesses in Japan? Or are businesses still mostly open & getting lots of customers?
Japan has 13,000 cases, Canada has 47,000.So they took the Swedish approach & it's backfiring on them? Sort of like the UK, too?
Is there an enforced required by law shutdown of businesses in Japan? Or are businesses still mostly open & getting lots of customers?
Japan has 350 deaths, Canada has 2600.
Japan has more than 3 times as many people, and more densely populated and elderly.
Yet Japan's policy is, apparently, at severe risk of failing, by definition, - because - their hospitals are at serious risk of being overwhelmed.Japan has 13,000 cases, Canada has 47,000.
Japan has 350 deaths, Canada has 2600.
Japan has more than 3 times as many people, and more densely populated and elderly.
Also Japan is speaking of not having reached their peak yet.
And how many there have been tested.
Furthermore, how many people came there from China, Iran & Italy relative to Canada?
It seems like their health care system is insufficient.Yet Japan's policy is, apparently, at severe risk of failing, by definition, - because - their hospitals are at serious risk of being overwhelmed.
Also Japan is speaking of not having reached their peak yet.
And how many there have been tested.
Furthermore, how many people came there from China, Iran & Italy relative to Canada?
I don`t know anything about their testing but Ontario is just approaching 2% of the population so it doesn`t get much lower than that.
Japan - 126 million people and 350 dead.
Canada - 37 million people and 2600 dead.
Who can say what percentage are infected, since so few have been tested. Though probably way more in Ontario than Japan due to the influx of many more people coming hotspots such as China, Iran & Italy.It seems like their health care system is insufficient.
I don`t know anything about their testing but Ontario is just approaching 2% of the population so it doesn`t get much lower than that.
Japan - 126 million people and 350 dead.
Canada - 37 million people and 2600 dead.
One study found that 96% of those infected were without symtoms: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...coronavirus-96-without-symptoms-idUSKCN2270RX
https://globalnews.ca/news/6792908/coronavirus-japan-state-of-emergency-explained/Japan cannot legally enforce hard lockdowns. Public transportation is operating as normal. Most state of emergency measures are requests and instructions. Violators cannot be punished unless they fail to comply with orders related to storage or shipment of emergency relief goods and medical supplies.
Q. WHY IS JAPAN NOT IMPOSING A HARD LOCKDOWN?
A. Japan’s history of repression under fascist governments before and during World War II has left the public wary of government overreach. The country’s postwar constitution lays out strict protections for civil liberties. Abe’s government was reluctant to risk severe economic repercussions from more severe measures.
.... Abe on Wednesday repeated his request for the people to stay home and reduce interactions with others by up to 80%. But in Tokyo’s downtown Shibuya district, business was almost normal. Rush hour trains were still crowded and commuters were heading to work, though fewer people were seen in other areas of the capital. Akihito Aminaka, an education industry worker, said heeding Abe’s request was difficult because “to me, it sounds like they’re saying, `Please don’t go out, but we won’t help you.”’
... Abe also announced an unprecedented 108 trillion yen ($1 trillion) stimulus package, equivalent to about a fifth of Japan’s annual GDP, to pay for coronavirus measures and protect businesses and jobs. It includes 300,000 yen ($2,750) cash handouts for some hard-hit households. A monthlong state of emergency in the Tokyo area could cause consumer spending to fall nearly 2.5 trillion yen ($23 billion), according to Nomura Research Institute.
"The government is taking a cautious approach to the possibility of extending the COVID-19 state of emergency for a considerable amount of time as public frustration simmers over business suspensions and restrictions on going out.
The emergency declaration is currently set to remain in place until May 6, the last day of the country’s Golden Week holiday period from late this month.
Many officials view an extension as inevitable since the rising number of infections does not warrant the full lifting of the state of emergency.
With Tokyo seeing over 100 new coronavirus cases for nearly two weeks, it’s unlikely that Japan can get the outbreak under control anytime soon.
“I don’t think (the emergency period) will end on May 6 if things remain as they are,” a government source said.
Some experts are even calling for nine months of restrictions on going out.
https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2...us-state-of-emergency-extension/#.XqY7s2hKiM8
https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2...ation-success-japan-coronavirus/#.XqY8o2hKiM8
The emergency declaration is currently set to remain in place until May 6, the last day of the country’s Golden Week holiday period from late this month.
Many officials view an extension as inevitable since the rising number of infections does not warrant the full lifting of the state of emergency.
With Tokyo seeing over 100 new coronavirus cases for nearly two weeks, it’s unlikely that Japan can get the outbreak under control anytime soon.
“I don’t think (the emergency period) will end on May 6 if things remain as they are,” a government source said.
Some experts are even calling for nine months of restrictions on going out.
https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2...us-state-of-emergency-extension/#.XqY7s2hKiM8
https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2...ation-success-japan-coronavirus/#.XqY8o2hKiM8
Nobody knows what the infection rate is in any country in the world so why are you so fixated on Japan`s infection rate?Who can say what percentage are infected, since so few have been tested. Though probably way more in Ontario than Japan due to the influx of many more people coming hotspots such as China, Iran & Italy.
One study found that 96% of those infected were without symtoms: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...coronavirus-96-without-symptoms-idUSKCN2270RX
This doesn`t make sense.
If it is higher or lower than Canada or anywhere else, so what?
Japan was late and lax in their response so their infection rate should be significantly higher than Canada.
They should have more infections per capita than Canada and at least 3 times as many deaths given their population size (8000+ dead).
They only have 350.
Maybe it is their healthy lifestyle and diet that is keeping their death rate so low.
I have no idea what your point is.
And despite all of this, their number of dead per million is way better than Canada and many other countries that had a strict lockdown.
What is your point?
Is that a 100 per day?With Tokyo seeing over 100 new coronavirus cases for nearly two weeks, it’s unlikely that Japan can get the outbreak under control anytime soon.
Ontario has 5 to 6 times more than that and Metropolitan Tokyo has the same population as all of Canada.
What are you trying to say?
My theory is - due to the relatively high influx of the infected into Canada from hotspots areas like China, Iran, Italy - the virus has spread in Canada much more quickly, hence the larger number of infections and deaths. However weeks ago Canada employed shutdown measures to impede the spread of the virus while Japan has not done so. So Canada is further along in curbing the crisis, whereas the worst is yet ahead for Japan. Especially since the government, by law, cannot issue a lockdown & the people are refusing to cooperate with their recommendations.Nobody knows what the infection rate is in any country in the world so why are you so fixated on Japan`s infection rate?
This doesn`t make sense.
If it is higher or lower than Canada or anywhere else, so what?
Japan was late and lax in their response so their infection rate should be higher than Canada.
They should have more infections per capita than Canada and at least 3 times as many deaths given their population size (8000+ dead).
They only have 350.
Maybe it is their healthy lifestyle and diet that is keeping their death rate so low.
I have no idea what your point is.
International travel has grinded to a virtual halt around the world for long enough that we have already seen the results of any lagging indicators.My theory is - due to the relatively high influx of the infected into Canada from hotspots areas like China, Iran, Italy - the virus has spread in Canada much more quickly, hence the larger number of infections and deaths. However weeks ago Canada employed shutdown measures to impede the spread of the virus while Japan has not done so. So Canada is further along in curbing the crisis, whereas the worst is yet ahead for Japan. Especially since the government, by law, cannot issue a lockdown & the people are refusing to cooperate with their recommendations.
Plus Japan has a totally different culture in terms of taking in foreigners compared to Canada.
Even if Japan did see a bump in their numbers, they would still blow away Canada`s numbers.
I think the point of this thread was that Japan`s health system is close to being overwhelmed.
This is very surprising since their numbers are so low.
Their capacity must be not nearly enough.
I suspect that Japan`s number of ICU beds and ventilators per capita must be abysmal.
But as far as the number of deaths per capita goes, they blow us away.
Japan - 126 million people and 350 dead.
Canada - 37 million people and 2600 dead.
Japan has a large percentage of their total population as seniors. Japan also had their head in the sand on Covid-19 because they wanted the Olympics to happen, so now the chickens are coming home to roost. Deaths outpace births in Japan so that Covid-19 will just be a catalyst in this trend.
Japan - 126 million people and 350 dead.Japan has a large percentage of their total population as seniors. Japan also had their head in the sand on Covid-19
Canada - 37 million people and 2600 dead.
Japan is a ridiculous comparison to Canada. It's apples and oranges for many different reasons.Japan - 126 million people and 350 dead.
Canada - 37 million people and 2600 dead.
Canada compared to all other developed nations which instituted closing of non essential businesses with a significant population 25M+ is doing far better and that is including Germany.
ExactlyJapan has a large percentage of their total population as seniors. Japan also had their head in the sand on Covid-19 because they wanted the Olympics to happen, so now the chickens are coming home to roost. Deaths outpace births in Japan so that Covid-19 will just be a catalyst in this trend.
Japan was in full denial of the Coronavirus outbreak since it wanted to keep the 2020 Olympics date. It wasn't until late March that the IOC postponed the Olympics.
One thing that the Japanese people use and many other Asian countries use that has a significant advantage in the fight against the Coronavirus is that they use masks when in public. Taking that into consideration that the Japanese people wear masks in public and they are having outbreaks shows how important isolation in the fight against the Coronavirus is.
Unfortunately some people will try to use Japan as a comparison to Canada as a method to promote the opening of businesses, but any comparison of Japan or almost all other Asian countries to Canada is irrational and irrelevant and is solely for that purpose.
The only comparisons to Asian countries people in Canada should use is Taiwan as an example of a country to emulate for the fight against the Coronavirus. Taiwan instituted immediate and the correct preventive measures prior to seeing it's first case of the virus. Also they instituted great tracing and health measures very early on in the fight against the Coronavirus almost simulatenously as the preventive measures. But again Taiwan doesn't work well with their open businesses up propoganda.
https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/what-taiwan-can-teach-world-fighting-coronavirus-n1153826
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The Covid-19 is a train wreck in progress, too early to call the race in terms of countries boasting nationalistic pride on the mortality rates. The disease is ramping up in densely populated Japan. Post your stats in 2 months again please !Japan - 126 million people and 350 dead.
Canada - 37 million people and 2600 dead.
I agree with you.The Covid-19 is a train wreck in progress, too early to call the race in terms of countries boasting nationalistic pride on the mortality rates. The disease is ramping up in densely populated Japan. Post your stats in 2 months again please !
We need to look back after the next wave in 12 - 18 months.
It is too early to judge Japan, Canada, Sweden, or any other country.
But for a Canadian to currently think that Japan is doing so bad now is absolutely absurd. Look in the mirror.
Criticizing their medical system capacity makes sense, not their current Covid numbers.
