Jack Layton Terminal

[SkyRider]

http://www.cp24.com/news/five-propo...rminal-to-be-presented-at-city-hall-1.2281685

What are these 5 proposals?

I have only one proposal. Build a fcuking bridge already!

 

[TeeJay]

What is wrong with the current ferry service?

 

[SkyRider]

What is wrong with the current ferry service?

1) They only leave every 30 or 60 minutes. Also, you have to swim back if you miss the last ferry. On a busy Summer day, sometimes you have to wait for the 2nd or 3rd ferry because the 1st or 2nd is overcrowed.

2) They are always crowed. Sardines packed in a can. Also long lineups in the hot sun waiting, waiting, waiting.

3) Very hot in those ferries.

 

[The Options Menu]

1) They only leave every 30 or 60 minutes. Also, you have to swim back if you miss the last ferry. On a busy Summer day, sometimes you have to wait for the 2nd or 3rd ferry because the 1st or 2nd is overcrowed.

2) They are always crowed. Sardines packed in a can. Also long lineups in the hot sun waiting, waiting, waiting.

3) Very hot in those ferries.

1) I don't recall waiting for much more than 15 minutes ever (maybe 20). Less than if you'll hop any ferry to any of the 3 landing points.

2) Yeah, they can be pretty full on a hot Saturday with nothing else going on. Try not taking the Centreville(sp) ferry.

3) On the ferry to Centreville(sp) go to the upper deck, it's open air. The other style of ferry is basically on open air barge so you should have a breeze (and possibly a lot of shirtless gay men if you're heading to Hanlan's point ).

I'd be fine with a pedestrian tunnel, but I think a road would inevitably lead to the long term development death of a civic treasure.

 

[Hard Idle]

Should include a budget massage studio named after him.

 

[SkyRider]

The reason why we don't already have a bridge now is because of the protest of a few selfish islanders. If it were up to them we wouldn't even have the Billy Bishop Airport. Query: Is the Island Airport tunnel restricted only to airline passengers or is it open to anybody?

 

[TeeJay]

1) They only leave every 30 or 60 minutes. Also, you have to swim back if you miss the last ferry. On a busy Summer day, sometimes you have to wait for the 2nd or 3rd ferry because the 1st or 2nd is overcrowed.

2) They are always crowed. Sardines packed in a can. Also long lineups in the hot sun waiting, waiting, waiting.

3) Very hot in those ferries.

1- They usually run quicker when crowds are large but really is 30 minutes that huge an inconvenience? Even if they build a bridge you certainly would expect that time for commute on a crowded summer day (just look at current downtown Toronto traffic levels)
2- Again on busy day sure is crowded but building a road is not going to alleviate any of these issues
3- Blame global warming (but seriously I find the wind makes it not so bad)


A few people suggested a pedestrian tunnel but it also will be crowded and certainly much hotter than either ferry or car during packed summer months)

 

[Trailer Park Boy]

Should include a budget massage studio named after him.

The "E Jack U Layton" Spa?

 

[Mr Deeds]

Jack Layton Terminal

Wasn't that a head line a few years ago before he died

 

[SkyRider]

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/jack-layton-ferry-terminal-design-competition-begins-1.2997334

No mention about a bridge or did I miss that part? I've been to that "cattle pen" on Centre Island trying to come back to civilization. No place to sit.

BTW: How old are those ferries? They look like 50-60 years old or older. Yes, I know you can go to the upper deck but try carrying a bike up there on a crowded day.

 

[oldjones]

The reason why we don't already have a bridge now is because of the protest of a few selfish islanders. If it were up to them we wouldn't even have the Billy Bishop Airport. Query: Is the Island Airport tunnel restricted only to airline passengers or is it open to anybody?

Not open to anyone yet. There is no plan for access from the pedestrian tunnel across the airport and its runways to the City parks beyond. Given the security and safety concerns as well as the historic non-cooperation of the federal Ports Toronto (formerly Toronto Port Authority, formerly Harbour Commissioners of Toronto) withe the City, it's unlikely they'd accede to such a plan even if it was reasonable.

They do however assist with controlled bus access when ice shuts down the ferry; if you want to subsidize something like that all sumer long it could maybe work. 'Course non airport users shouldn't expect a free pedestrian tunnel should they?

 

[SkyRider]

if you want to subsidize something like that all sumer long it could maybe work. 'Course non airport users shouldn't expect a free pedestrian tunnel should they?

I would be happy to pay the $7 that I am currently paying to get on an overcrowded hot 60 year old ferry after waiting 30-60 or more minutes in the "cattle pen".

 

[Buick Mackane]

I would be happy to pay the $7 that I am currently paying to get on an overcrowded hot 60 year old ferry after waiting 30-60 or more minutes in the "cattle pen".

Then taxpayers would have to subsidize the rest of the cost after your $7.

 

[oldjones]

I would be happy to pay the $7 that I am currently paying to get on an overcrowded hot 60 year old ferry after waiting 30-60 or more minutes in the "cattle pen".

You can have your overcrowded inadequately air-conditioned bus across the airport then. I'll stick with the open-air boat-ride. At least I'll be aware I'm on my way to an island, while you're riding elevators up and down to your tunnel to get to that bus.

Of course the topic is actually the rebuilding of the brutalist bunker City-side where we're all currently herded to wait for those boats. Nothing to do with boatrides, tunnel walks, airports or buses across them.

 

[SkyRider]

Nothing to do with boatrides, tunnel walks, airports or buses across them.

We need to expand our horizons and cover a broader waterfront than just the bunker. Other than David Miller and the selfish Islanders (who also opposed Billy Bishop and Porter) who would be opposed to a bridge?Regardless of which proposal is accepted, it will probably go 10 times over budget and take 100 years to complete. The feeries will be 150 years old by then.

 

[SoftHands813]

The "E Jack U Layton" Spa?

HAHAHAHA Brilliant!!

Actually, the worst part of the ferry terminal is waiting in line to buy your tickets. It's 2015, can we not have a way to buy them online (and for a specific time so there's no overbooking)? Surely that can't be too difficult to figure out.

 

[oldjones]

We need to expand our horizons and cover a broader waterfront than just the bunker. Other than David Miller and the selfish Islanders (who also opposed Billy Bishop and Porter) who would be opposed to a bridge?Regardless of which proposal is accepted, it will probably go 10 times over budget and take 100 years to complete. The feeries will be 150 years old by then.

I oppose any vehicular bridge, so do numerous other non-islanders. If you want a people bridge I'm with you.

Meantime, during Ferry-Crowding Season, take a canoe to Cherry Beach and paddle across the Eastern Gap.

 

[jcpro]

Just build a walk way around the runway on the west and north side of the airport. I can't understand why everything has to be so fucking difficult in this city.

 

[MattRoxx]

What is wrong with the current ferry service?

Nothing.

I think the layout of the terminal is fine now, it forces visitors to the Island to slow right the fuck down, and interact with strangers ( even though that feels unnatural and discomforting for Torontonians such as SkyRider).

What I find odd is that Jack Layton Way is nowhere near Jack Layton Terminal.

The reason why we don't already have a bridge now is because of the protest of a few selfish islanders

Funny you see the Islanders as bad selfish, but Deluce and Porter as the good type of selfish.

 

[oldjones]

Just build a walk way around the runway on the west and north side of the airport. I can't understand why everything has to be so fucking difficult in this city.

Didn't anyone ever tell you? There ain't no just's. SkyRider neatly summed up the mood and theme here when he said, "…regardless of which proposal is accepted, it will probably go 10 times over budget and take 100 years to complete." Your walkway won't be different. How much tax will you happily pay for it—considering Transport Canada safety regs will require it to be hundreds of feet away from either end of the runway? And the environmental impact of all that landfill in the stagnant harbour is worth at least a passing thought.

But why not just fill in the harbour, and have multiple roads (leading to parking lots) in the playground of Ex-Islands, as well as all the expansion room Porter could ever want? Problem solved.

"You don't know what you've got 'til it's gone".