It's about time Muslims did some introspection

[sweet guy]

Though the article makes sense, the truth is such common sense fell on death ears.

It doesn't matter whether the "critics" or those who ask for "introspection" are Muslims. You can find whatever excuse to denouce those Muslims who have decency, enlightened, secular-oriented and "common sense" driven by Islamic radicals.

To address those Islamists or Shaheed as bunches of psychopaths are simply an understatement.

The bottom line is the governments in Arab and Islamic countries, those relatively "secular" governments did absolutely NOTHING to stop demonizing and hate mongering the Jews and the Americans in particular by demagogues.

Worst, those same governments, some of them we are told as friends/allies are encouraged to promote hatred so that their people were brainwashed generations after generations to divert the attention from their inept policies and imbecile governence for decades.

Until the day when,

a) The Middle East run out of oil for good and they have nothing to "flash their gums"
b) The Muslim Men themselves seriously respect their fellow Muslim Women and non-Muslims
c) Stop blaming on Jewish or American conspiracies to run the world that kind of crap for their huge screw ups such as wide gap of rich and poor, illiteracy, population imbalance, corruption and simply backward mentality.

Otherwise, this article is nothing but "a ray of light" to defend a tiny few of brave Muslims who want to live, be treated and respected like anybody else.

The Muslims must do the soul-searching but again in their mind set why should they have to do it WITHOUT existentional threat as an incentive?

 

[Mao Tse Tongue]

Not that I am so surpirised by some of the comments made.... While its true, the muslim world does need to do some introspection...... there are reasons as to why this is the situation...NO, I am not trying to find excuses, just pointing out some of the reasons.... the actions taken by both the Americans and the Israeli's for the past do not exactly contribute to stability, and with that the dictators stay in place... and with slumping economies, and growing young populations with no opportunities, an unemployed young frustrated lonely man will head towards anything that gives him hope , reason, and meaning to life, it is usually the mosques where the lectures are more political than religious......

In conclusion, who do you fight first external or internal forces, or both ? and to say that the west had nothing to do with this is naive at best....

here are two links. Mao on arab media, would you find some bigotry :
http://english.aljazeera.net/HomePage

http://www.dailystar.com.lb/home.asp?edition_id=10

It should be very easy....

Not sure of your last point "would you find some bigotry"? Don't understand.

As for the "reasons" I agree that there are many factors, but all victimhood is the same: At some point, you stop making excuses, and take reponsibility for your actions. And it's only people within your own "community" that can make tough, truthful points without the community collapsing into defensiveness.

 

[loaded]

Like all good media, the english language articles are directed for a western audiance. We would not accept the overtly racist statements so they are simply not printed. Try comparing the text of press releases given the same day in english and arabic. In some cases(maybe the minority), the same source can be found to tell the west that they are seeking a peaceful solution while telling their arabic audiance that the infidels must die.

why dont you back up your argument, do you read arabic, do you have any proof ? well offcourse not.... stop the I think, I heard, I assume, and I read on CNN..........

this websire everybody keeps referring to (emperorsclotkes), has clear bias, so stop using it as source of facts........

 

[loaded]

Not sure of your last point "would you find some bigotry"? Don't understand.

As for the "reasons" I agree that there are many factors, but all victimhood is the same: At some point, you stop making excuses, and take reponsibility for your actions. And it's only people within your own "community" that can make tough, truthful points without the community collapsing into defensiveness.

1. I meant for you to back up your statements, go to these websites and find some anti-semitism........

2. How are millions of people responsible for the actions of a few saudi's........keeping generalizing you bigot

 

[loaded]

Re: Re: It's about time Muslims did some introspection

Though the article makes sense, the truth is such common sense fell on death ears.

It doesn't matter whether the "critics" or those who ask for "introspection" are Muslims. You can find whatever excuse to denouce those Muslims who have decency, enlightened, secular-oriented and "common sense" driven by Islamic radicals.

To address those Islamists or Shaheed as bunches of psychopaths are simply an understatement.

The bottom line is the governments in Arab and Islamic countries, those relatively "secular" governments did absolutely NOTHING to stop demonizing and hate mongering the Jews and the Americans in particular by demagogues.

Worst, those same governments, some of them we are told as friends/allies are encouraged to promote hatred so that their people were brainwashed generations after generations to divert the attention from their inept policies and imbecile governence for decades.

Until the day when,

a) The Middle East run out of oil for good and they have nothing to "flash their gums"
b) The Muslim Men themselves seriously respect their fellow Muslim Women and non-Muslims
c) Stop blaming on Jewish or American conspiracies to run the world that kind of crap for their huge screw ups such as wide gap of rich and poor, illiteracy, population imbalance, corruption and simply backward mentality.

Otherwise, this article is nothing but "a ray of light" to defend a tiny few of brave Muslims who want to live, be treated and respected like anybody else.

The Muslims must do the soul-searching but again in their mind set why should they have to do it WITHOUT existentional threat as an incentive?

1. Take religion out of the way, and all you have are people defending themselves, whether it is in Chechenya, Iraq or Palestine, IMPOSSIBLE for you label them terrorists....
Al-qaeda, is a totally different category.....

2. a tiny few shows your view point: ignorant, how many arabs or muslims do you know......

3. Cultures in say Lebanon, Syria, Palestine, and Egypt differ completely from those of Saudi Arabia, UAE, Qatar, Iraq, Jordan, Sudan, and so on, but your constant generalizations is what makes you a racist bigot..........

4. Jewish american conspiracy, WTF are you talking about...Can you tell me that the American Foreign policy is not steered in ISrael's favor ALL the time.......you got to be blind

 

[pool]

A family beating, most likely.

It's entirely possible that she has chosen to become a "better muslim". Unless you are being sarcastic, to make such a broad assumption as, it's most likely a family beating, is ... well, none too thoughtful.

 

[Don]

Re: Re: Re: It's about time Muslims did some introspection

1. Take religion out of the way, and all you have are people defending themselves, whether it is in Chechenya, Iraq or Palestine, IMPOSSIBLE for you label them terrorists....
Al-qaeda, is a totally different category.....

2. a tiny few shows your view point: ignorant, how many arabs or muslims do you know......

3. Cultures in say Lebanon, Syria, Palestine, and Egypt differ completely from those of Saudi Arabia, UAE, Qatar, Iraq, Jordan, Sudan, and so on, but your constant generalizations is what makes you a racist bigot..........

4. Jewish american conspiracy, WTF are you talking about...Can you tell me that the American Foreign policy is not steered in ISrael's favor ALL the time.......you got to be blind

point 1 - Yup. War has always been about protecting self-interests.

point 2 - Lets be real here. Actions may be of a tiny few but one needs to look at if actions are supported or approved. Approval and support of such actions is a bit more widespread than you think. Agreed it is wrong to generalize one needs to look at public sentiment (I have live abroad in the region).

point 3 - "racist bigot" seems to apply to people who express negative feeling to a group that the user or the termwould support.... thus making it nearly a useless retort. But, yes... I think people who do make generalizations on a group of people are indeed a bit bigoted. That includes people who generalizate about Americans ("(Why are) Americans are soo <insert derogitory comment>"). Would you agree with this?

point 4: This is a quasi-truth. American policy is less pro-Israel then it is "pro-democracy" (as it percieves Israel). Just like many are not really "pro-Kerry" as "anti-Bush". America supports Israel because it has always believed it is in America's best interest to do so. However this attitude may be changing as Americans are realizing that it may be in America's best interest to NOT support Israel anymore. But old habits are hard to break (but slowly changing)

 

[strange1]

Re: Re: Re: It's about time Muslims did some introspection

3. Cultures in say Lebanon, Syria, Palestine, and Egypt differ completely from those of Saudi Arabia, UAE, Qatar, Iraq, Jordan, Sudan, and so on, but your constant generalizations is what makes you a racist bigot..........

4. Jewish american conspiracy, WTF are you talking about...Can you tell me that the American Foreign policy is not steered in ISrael's favor ALL the time.......you got to be blind

I'm a bit confused. Fist you call people bigots then imply there IS a jewish american conspiracy. What is your definition of bigotry? Someone who does not agree with your interpretation of different cultures.

As for bias of various sources, that accusation seems to only apply to sources people don't agree with. Of course every source and person in the world has bias. Some bias just seem better researched than others. At least the emperors clothes gives sources.

 

[*d*]

Is there an implication here that the mainstream Muslim faith should take some blame for terrorism? Surely not.

 

[papasmerf]

The Islamic fundamentalists have focused their obcession against
Muslim moderates. Moderates are a greater threat to their cause
than Western modernity. For over 20 years Moderates have been
the primary target of attack and assisination of those fringe groups.
They've been killed off in waves.

Reflect back to Stalin's rise to power. The first thing he did
was to liquidate the intelligencia. Once he destroyed those that
reasoned he could enforce his cult of personality and tyranny on
the masses. Study the rise to power of a dictator, whether it
be Hitler, Stalin or Mao, and you will find a common theme. Liquidate
those that use critical analysis and challenge the status quo and
you will intimidate the timid rest. Its such a common theme,
such a common practice. When writers, journalists and attorneys
are denigrated you are entering into a realm of tyranny. For those
three challenge authority. They are the first to be liquidated.
They are agents of change.

Don

Well put and quite true.

 

[Perry Mason]

Is there an implication here that the mainstream Muslim faith should take some blame for terrorism? Surely not.

No, not blame. Nor guilt, either. Responsibility.

The whole of Islam is living under the shadow of Ayatollah Khomeini... who else can/should/could take responsibility?

Perry

 

[Titmouse]

I received this email today. As with most emails I get on the Internet that claim to be presenting facts, I
double checked it. It was easy to do because it quotes the Koran chapter and verse. You can verify it
yourself. I found the Koran at the following URL:

http://www.hti.umich.edu/k/koran/

This is not pleasant stuff so I urge you to triple check the details by finding your own Koranic sources. It
puts the lie to the argument that Islam is a religion of peace with the Koran, itself, proving that point. The fact
is that Islamic jihadists are not “extremists�, they are the mainstream of Islamic society. To espouse
otherwise is to give in to a very dangerous, delusional form of political correctness.
-Titmouse
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A Call to the Muslims of the World
from a Group of Freethinkers and
Humanists of Muslim Origins

Dear friends,

The tragic incidents of September 11 have shocked the world. It is
unthinkable that anyone could be so full of hate as to commit such
heinous acts and kill so many innocent people. We people of Muslim origin
are as much shaken as the rest of the world and yet we find ourselves
looked upon with suspicion and distrust by our neighbours and fellow
citizens. We want to cry out and tell the world that we are not
terrorists, and that those who perpetrate such despicable acts are
murderers and not part of us. But, in reality, because of our Muslim
origins we just cannot erase the "stigma of Islamic Terrorism" from our
identity!

What most Muslims will say:

"Islam would never support the killing of innocent people. Allah of
the Holy Qur'an never advocated killings. This is all the work of a few
misguided individuals at the fringes of society. The real Islam is
sanctified from violence. We denounce all violence. Islam means peace.
Islam means tolerance."

What knowledgeable Muslims should say:

That is what most Muslims think, but is it true? Does Islam really
preach peace, tolerance and non-violence? The Muslims who perpetrate
these crimes think differently. They believe that what they do is Jihad
(holy war). They say that killing unbelievers is mandatory for every
Muslim. They do not kill because they wish to break the laws of Islam but
because they think this is what true Muslims should do. Those who blow-up
their own bodies to kill more innocent people do so because they think
they will be rewarded in Paradise. They hope to be blessed by Allah, eat
celestial food, drink pure wine and enjoy the company of divine consorts.
Are they completely misguided? Where did they get this distorted idea?
How did they come to believe that killing innocent people pleases God? Or
is it that we are misguided? Does really Islam preach violence? Does it
call upon its believers to kill non-believers? We denounce those who
commit acts of violence and call them extremists. But are they really
extremists or are they following what the holy book, the Qur'an tells
them to do? What does the Qur'an teach? Have we read the Qur'an? Do we
know what kind of teachings are there? Let us go through some of them and
take a closer look at what Allah says.

What the Qur'an Teaches Us:

We have used the most widely available English text of the Qur'an and
readers are welcome to verify our quotes from the holy book. Please have
an open mind and read through these verses again and again. The following
quotes are taken from the most trusted Yusufali's translation of the Qur'an.

The Qur'an tells us: "not to make friendship with Jews and Christians"
(5:51), "kill the disbelievers wherever we find them" (2:191), "murder
them and treat them harshly" (9:123), "fight and slay the Pagans, seize
them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem" (9:5).
The Qur'an demands that we fight the unbelievers, and promises "If there
are twenty amongst you, you will vanquish two hundred: if a hundred, you
will vanquish a thousand of them" (8:65).
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[Titmouse]

Allah and his messenger want us to fight the Christians and the Jews
"until they pay the Jizya [a penalty tax for the non-Muslims living under
Islamic rules] with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued"
(9:29). Allah and his messenger announce that it is acceptable to go back
on our promises (treaties) and obligations with Pagans and make war on
them whenever we find ourselves strong enough to do so (9:3). Our God
tells us to "fight the unbelievers" and "He will punish them by our
hands, cover them with shame and help us (to victory) over them" (9:14).

The Qur'an takes away the freedom of belief from all humanity and
relegates those who disbelieve in Islam to hell (5:10), calls them najis
(filthy, untouchable, impure) (9:28), and orders its followers to fight
the unbelievers until no other religion except Islam is left (2:193). It
says that the "non-believers will go to hell and will drink boiling
water" (14:17). It asks the Muslims to "slay or crucify or cut the hands
and feet of the unbelievers, that they be expelled from the land with
disgrace and that they shall have a great punishment in world hereafter"
(5:34). And tells us that "for them (the unbelievers) garments of fire
shall be cut and there shall be poured over their heads boiling water
whereby whatever is in their bowels and skin shall be dissolved and they
will be punished with hooked iron rods" (22:19-22) and that they not only
will have "disgrace in this life, but on the Day of Judgment He shall
make them taste the Penalty of burning (Fire)" (22:9). The Qur'an says
that "those who invoke a god other than Allah not only should meet
punishment in this world but the Penalty on the Day of Judgment will be
doubled to them, and they will dwell therein in ignominy" (25:68). For
those who "believe not in Allah and His Messenger, He has prepared, for
those who reject Allah, a Blazing Fire!" (48:13). Although we are asked
to be compassionate amongst each other, we have to be "harsh with
unbelievers", our Christian, Jewish and Atheist neighbours and colleagues
(48:29). As for him who does not believe in Islam, the Prophet announces
with a "stern command": "Seize ye him, and bind ye him, And burn ye him
in the Blazing Fire. Further, make him march in a chain, whereof the
length is seventy cubits! This was he that would not believe in Allah
Most High. And would not encourage the feeding of the indigent! So no
friend hath he here this Day. Nor hath he any food except the corruption
from the washing of wounds, Which none do eat but those in sin."
(69:30-37) The Qur'an prohibits a Muslim from befriending a non-believer
even if that non-believer is the father or the brother of that Muslim
(9:23), (3:28). Our holy book asks us to be disobedient towards the
disbelievers and their governments and strive against the unbelievers
with great endeavour" (25:52) and be stern with them because they belong
to Hell (66:9). The holy Prophet prescribes fighting for us and tells us
that "it is good for us even if we dislike it" (2:216). Then he advises
us to "strike off the heads of the disbelievers"; and after making a
"wide slaughter among them, carefully tie up the remaining captives"
(47:4). Our God has promised to "instil terror into the hearts of the
unbelievers" and has ordered us to "smite above their necks and smite all
their finger-tips off them" (8:12). He also assures us that when we kill
in his name "it is not us who slay them but Allah, in order that He might
test the Believers by a gracious trial from Himself" (8:17). He orders us
"to strike terror into the hearts of the enemies" (8:60). He has made the
Jihad mandatory and warns us that "Unless we go forth, (for Jihad) He
will punish us with a grievous penalty, and put others in our place"
(9:39). Allah speaks to our Holy Prophet and says "O Prophet! strive hard
against the unbelievers and the hypocrites, and be stern against them.
Their abode is Hell - an evil refuge indeed" (9:73).

He promises us that in the fight for His cause whether we slay or are
slain we return to the garden of Paradise (9:111). In Paradise he will
"wed us with Houris (celestial virgins) pure beautiful ones" (56:54), and
unite us with large-eyed beautiful ones while we recline on our thrones
set in lines (56:20). There we are promised to eat and drink pleasantly
for what we did (56:19). He also promises "boys like hidden pearls"
(56:24) and "youth never altering in age like scattered pearls" (for
those who have paedophiliac inclinations) (76:19). As you see, Allah has
promised all sorts or rewards, gluttony and unlimited sex to Muslim men
who kill unbelievers in his name. We will be admitted to Paradise where
we shall find "goodly things, beautiful ones, pure ones confined to the
pavilions that man has not touched them before nor jinni" (56:67-71).

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[Titmouse]

In the West we enjoy freedom of belief but we are not supposed to give
such freedom to anyone else because it is written "If anyone desires a
religion other than Islam (submission to Allah), never will it be
accepted of him; and in the Hereafter He will be in the ranks of those
who have lost (All spiritual good) (3:85). And He orders us to fight them
on until there is no more tumult and faith in Allah is practiced
everywhere (8:39).

 

[Titmouse]

As for women the book of Allah says that they are inferior to men and
their husbands have the right to scourge them if they are found
disobedient (4:34). It advises to "take a green branch and beat your
wife", because a green branch is more flexible and hurts more. (38:44).
It teaches that women will go to hell if they are disobedient to their
husbands (66:10). It maintains that men have an advantage over the women
(2:228). It not only denies the women's equal right to their inheritance
(4:11-12), it also regards them as imbeciles and decrees that their
witness is not admissible in the courts of law (2:282). This means that a
woman who is raped cannot accuse her rapist unless she can produce a male
witness. Our Holy Prophet allows us to marry up to four wives and he
licensed us to sleep with our slave maids and as many 'captive' women as
we may have (4:3) even if those women are already married. He himself did
just that. This is why anytime a Muslim army subdues another nation, they
call them kafir and allow themselves to rape their women. Pakistani
soldiers allegedly raped up to 250,000 Bengali women in 1971 after they
massacred 3,000,000 unarmed civilians when their religious leader decreed
that Bangladeshis are un-Islamic. This is why the prison guards in
Islamic regime of Iran rape the women that in their opinion are apostates
prior to killing them, as they believe a virgin will not go to Hell.

Dear fellow Muslims:

Is this the Islam you believe in? Is this your Most Merciful, Most
Compassionate Allah whom you worship daily? Could Allah incite you to
kill other peoples? Please understand that there is no terrorist gene -
but there could be a terrorist mindset. That mindset finds its most
fertile ground in the tenets of Islam. Denying it, and presenting Islam
to the lay public as a religion of peace similar to Buddhism, is to
suppress the truth. The history of Islam between the 7th and 14th
centuries is riddled with violence, fratricide and wars of aggression,
starting right from the death of the Prophet and during the so-called
'pure' or orthodox caliphate. And Muhammad himself hoisted the standard
of killing, looting, massacres and bloodshed. How can we deny the entire
history? The behaviour of our Holy Prophet as recorded in authentic
Islamic sources is quite questionable from a modern viewpoint. The
Prophet was a charismatic man but he had few virtues. Imitating him in
all aspects of life (following the Sunnah) is both impossible and
dangerous in the 21st century. Why are we so helplessly in denial over
this simple issue?

 

[Titmouse]

When the Prophet was in Mecca and he was still not powerful enough he
called for tolerance. He said "To you be your religion, and to me my
religion" (109:6). This famous quote is often misused to prove that the
general principle of Qur'an is tolerance. He advised his follower to
speak good to their enemies (2: 83), exhorted them to be patient (20:103)
and said that "there is no compulsion in religion" (2:256). But that all
changed drastically when he came to power. Then killing and slaying
unbelievers with harshness and without mercy was justified in innumerable
verses. The verses quoted to prove Islam's tolerance ignore many other
verses that bear no trace of tolerance or forgiveness. Where is tolerance
in this well-known verse "Alarzu Lillah, Walhukmu Lillah." (The Earth
belongs to Allah and thus only Allah's rule should prevail all over the
earth.).

Is it normal that a book revealed by God should have so many serious
contradictions? The Prophet himself set the example of unleashing
violence by invading the Jewish settlements, breaking treaties he had
signed with them and banishing some of them after confiscating their
belongings, massacring others and taking their wives and children as
slaves. He inspected the youngsters and massacred all those who had pubic
hair along with the men. Those who were younger he kept as slaves. He
distributed the women captured in his raids among his soldiers keeping
the prettiest for himself (33:50). He made sexual advances on Safiyah, a
Jewish girl on the same day he captured her town Kheibar and killed her
father, her husband and many of her relatives. Reyhana was another Jewish
girl of Bani Quriza whom he used as a sex slave after killing all her
male relatives. In the last ten years of his life he accumulated two
scores of wives, concubines and sex slaves including the 9 year old
Ayesha. These are not stories but records from authentic Islamic history
and the Hadiths. It can be argued that this kind of behaviour was not
unknown or unusual for the conquerors and leaders of the mediaeval world
but these are not the activities befitting of a peaceful saint and
certainly not someone who claimed to be the Mercy of God for all
creation. There were known assassinations of adversaries during the
Prophet's time, which he had knowledge of and had supported. Among them
there was a 120 year old man, Abu 'Afak whose only crime was to compose a
lyric satirical of the Prophet. (by Ibn Sa'd Kitab al Tabaqat al Kabir,
Volume 2, page 32) Then when a poetess, a mother of 5 small children
'Asma' Bint Marwan wrote a poetry cursing the Arabs for letting Muhammad
assassinate an old man, our Holy Prophet ordered her to be assassinated
too in the middle of the night while her youngest child was suckling from
her breast. (Sirat Rasul Allah (A. Guillaume's translation "The Life of
Muhammad") page 675, 676).

 

[Titmouse]

The Prophet did develop a 'Robin Hood' image that justified raiding
merchant caravans attacking cities and towns, killing people and looting
their belongings in the name of social justice. Usama Bin Laden is also
trying to create the same image. But Robin Hood didn't claim to be a
prophet or a pacifist nor did he care for apologist arguments. He did not
massacre innocent people indiscriminately nor did he profit by reducing
free people to slaves and then trading them.

With the known and documented violent legacy of Islam, how can we
suddenly rediscover it as a religion of peace in the free world in the
21st century? Isn't this the perpetuation of a lie by a few ambitious
leaders in order to gain political control of the huge and ignorant
Muslim population? They are creating a polished version of Islam by
completely ignoring history. They are propagating the same old dogma for
simple believing people in a crisp new modern package. Their aim: to gain
political power in today's high-tension world. They want to use the
confrontational power of the original Islam to catalyse new conflicts and
control new circles of power.

Dear conscientious Muslims, please question yourselves. Isn't this
compulsive following of a man who lived 1400 years ago leading us to doom
in a changing world? Do the followers of any other religion follow one
man in such an all-encompassing way? Who are we deceiving, them or
ourselves? Dear brothers and sisters, see how our Umma (people) has sunk
into poverty and how it lags behind the rest of the world. Isn't it
because we are following a religion that is outdated and impractical? In
this crucial moment of history, when a great catastrophe has befallen us
and a much bigger one is lying ahead, should not we wake up from our 1400
years of slumber and see where things have gone wrong?

Hatred has filled the air and the world is bracing itself for its
doomsday. Should we not ask ourselves whether we have contributed,
wittingly or unwittingly, to this tragedy and whether we can stop the
great disaster from happening?

Unfortunately the answer to the first question is yes. Yes we have
contributed to the rise of fundamentalism by merely claiming Islam is a
religion of peace, by simply being a Muslim and by saying our shahada
(testimony that Allah is the only God and Muhammad is his messenger). By
our shahada we have recognized Muhammad as a true messenger of God and
his book as the words of God. But as you saw above those words are
anything but from God. They call for killing, they are prescriptions for
hate and they foment intolerance. And when the ignorant among us read
those hate-laden verses, they act on them and the result is the infamous
September 11, human bombs in Israel, massacres in East Timor and
Bangladesh, kidnappings and killings in the Philippines, slavery in the
Sudan, honour killings in Pakistan and Jordan, torture in Iran, stoning
and maiming in Afghanistan and Iran, violence in Algeria, terrorism in
Palestine and misery and death in every Islamic country. We are
responsible because we endorse Islam and hail it as a religion of God.
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[Titmouse]

And we are as guilty as those who put into practice what the Qur'an
preaches - and ironically we are the main victims too. If we are not
terrorists, if we love peace, if we cried with the rest of the word for
what happened in New York, then why are we supporting the Qur'an that
preaches killing, that advocates holy war, that calls for the murder of
non-Muslims? It is not the extremists who have misunderstood Islam. They
do literally what the Qur'an asks them to do. It is we who misunderstand
Islam. We are the ones who are confused. We are the ones who wrongly
assume that Islam is the religion of peace. Islam is not a religion of
peace. In its so-called "pure" form it can very well be interpreted as a
doctrine of hate. Terrorists are doing just that and we the intellectual
apologists of Islam are justifying it. We can stop this madness. Yes, we
can avert the disaster that is hovering over our heads. Yes, we can
denounce the doctrines that promote hate. Yes, we can embrace the rest of
humanity with love. Yes, we can become part of a united world, members of
one human family, flowers of one garden. We can dump the claim of
infallibility of our Book, and the questionable legacy of our Prophet.

Dear friends, there is no time to waste. Let us put an end to this
lie. Let us not fool ourselves. Islam is not a religion of peace, of
tolerance, of equality or of unity of humankind. Let us read the Qur'an.
Let us face the truth even if it is painful. As long as we keep this lie
alive, as long as we hide our head in the sands of Arabia we are feeding
terrorism. As long as you and I keep calling Qur'an the unchangeable book
of God, we cannot blame those who follow the teachings therein. As long
as we pay our Khums and Zakat our money goes to promote Islamic
expansionism and that means terrorism, Jihad and war. Islam divides the
world in two. Darul Harb (land of war) and Darul Islam (land of Islam).
Darul Harb is the land of the infidels, Muslims are required to
infiltrate those lands, proselytise and procreate until their numbers
increase and then start the war and fight and kill the people and impose
the religion of Islam on them and convert that land into Darul Islam. In
all fairness we denounce this betrayal. This is abuse of the trust. How
can we make war in the countries that have sheltered us? How can we kill
those who have befriended us? Yet willingly or unwillingly we have become
pawns in this Islamic Imperialism. Let us see what great Islamic scholars
have had to say in this respect.
Dr. M. Khan the translator of Sahih Bukhari and the Qur'an into
English wrote: "Allah revealed in Sura Bara'at (Repentance, IX) the order
to discard (all) obligations (covenants, etc), and commanded the Muslims
to fight against all the Pagans as well as against the people of the
Scriptures (Jews and Christians) if they do not embrace Islam, till they
pay the Jizia (a tax levied on the Jews and Christians) with willing
submission and feel themselves subdued (as it is revealed in 9:29). So
the Muslims were not permitted to abandon "the fighting" against them
(Pagans, Jews and Christians) and to reconcile with them and to suspend
hostilities against them for an unlimited period while they are strong
and have the ability to fight against them. So at first "the fighting"
was forbidden, then it was permitted, and after that it was made
obligatory" [Introduction to English translation of Sahih Bukhari, p.xxiv.]

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Dr. Sobhy as-Saleh, a contemporary Islamic academician quoted Imam
Suyuti the author of Itqan Fi 'Ulum al- Qur'an who wrote: "The command to
fight the infidels was delayed until the Muslims become strong, but when
they were weak they were commanded to endure and be patient". [ Sobhy
as_Saleh, Mabaheth Fi 'Ulum al- Qur'an, Dar al-'Ilm Lel-Malayeen, Beirut,
1983, p. 269.]

Dr. Sobhy, in a footnote, commends the opinion of a scholar named
Zarkashi who said: "Allah the most high and wise revealed to Mohammad in
his weak condition what suited the situation, because of his mercy to him
and his followers. For if He gave them the command to fight while they
were weak it would have been embarrassing and most difficult, but when
the most high made Islam victorious He commanded him with what suited the
situation, that is asking the people of the Book to become Muslims or to
pay the levied tax, and the infidels to become Muslims or face death.
These two options, to fight or to have peace return according to the
strength or the weakness of the Muslims." [ibid p. 270]

Other Islamic scholars (Ibn Hazm al-Andalusi, Ga'far ar-Razi, Rabi'
Ibn 'Ons, 'Abil-'Aliyah, Abd ar-Rahman Ibn Zayd Ibn 'Aslam, etc.) agree
that the verse "Slay the idolaters wherever you find them" (9:5)
cancelled those few earlier verses that called for tolerance in the
Qur'an and were revealed when Islam was weak. Can you still say that
Islam is the religion of peace?

We propose a solution.

We know too well that it is not easy to denounce our faith because it
means denouncing a part of ourselves. We are a group of freethinkers and
humanists with Islamic roots. Discovering the truth and leaving the
religion of our fathers and forefathers was a painful experience. But
after learning what Islam stands for we had no choice but to leave it.
After becoming familiar with the Qur'an the choice became clear: It is
either Islam or humanity. If Islam thrives, then humanity will die. We
decided to side with humanity. Culturally we are still Muslims but we no
longer believe in Islam as the true religion of God. We are humanists. We
love humanity. We work for the unity of humankind. We work for equality
between men and women. We strive for the secularisation of Islamic
countries, for democracy and freedom of thought, belief and expression.
We decided to live no longer in self-deception but to embrace humanity,
and to enter into the new millennium hand in hand with people of other
cultures and beliefs in amity and in peace.

We denounce the violence that is eulogized in the Qur'an as holy war
(Jihad). We condemn killing in the name of God. We believe in the
sanctity of human life, not in the inviolability of beliefs and
religions. We invite you to join us and the rest of humanity and become
part of the family of humankind - in love, camaraderie and peace.

info@SecularIslam.org

 

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There it is FROM THE HORSE'S MOUTH.
Don't believe what I say. Check it out from any Koran. The fact is that the terrorists are not the radicals, it's the moderates who are not following Islam to the letter. The terrorists are doing exactly what their religion tells them to do.