Repeat it often enough, and you will believe it to be true.
Let me give you a hint: American companies and the American Government have a horizon of 1 or 2 quarters (or at most to the next election). China plans in decades.
It turns out China is not a Painting contractor
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Let me give you a hint: American companies and the American Government have a horizon of 1 or 2 quarters (or at most to the next election). China plans in decades.
It's not China's fault that we gave them all our Industry and built them up. Now they've aligned themselves with Russia and Iran and possibly Turkey. Now we're dicking around with mindless tariffs and rhetoric. We make War machines. Financial Fraud. And Pornography. These are are main exports in the 21st Century. China's not perfect but our leadership are a bunch of lying idiots. How are you going to force China to kiss the ring of the Empire when you have nothing to offer them except fraudulent created Federal US Treasuries that are yielding zero when taking into account inflation ? And if our economy is so great why are interest rates so low and going lower ? The Fed used to tell us that they needed to raise rates to cool the economy because it was getting to hot and blowing bubbles. Kind of like today with a Housing bubble, Stock Market Bubble, Bond Bubble, Student Loan Bubble, Auto Loan Bubble.
Time to face the facts. Our leadership has hollowed out our real economy to the point that we can't compete. We don't create anything of value. What are we going to send China short of food and resources ? A float from the Gay Pride Parade ? Maybe we can send Justin Trudeau to China as the Parade Mascot. But they don't want him. They've already determined " he is a weak leader who is not very intelligent ".
Time to face the facts. Our leadership has hollowed out our real economy to the point that we can't compete. We don't create anything of value. What are we going to send China short of food and resources ? A float from the Gay Pride Parade ? Maybe we can send Justin Trudeau to China as the Parade Mascot. But they don't want him. They've already determined " he is a weak leader who is not very intelligent ".
You underestimate both the resolve of China and the stupidity of the PGOTUS. Every advisor other than Navarro was against this latest escalation. And I suppose you also believe that China is paying the tariffs.That’s silly, the US is 19.2% of Chinese exports. It’s economy is slowing, it can’t afford to lose the US.
China is a whopping 8.6% of US exports which is about a quarter of exports to Asia (hence the trade war.
Linking its currency with the USD buys it credibility, China isn’t transparent or trustworthy.
I think their resolve to continue stealing IP is high. With a per capita gdp of $9,000 and a large trade surplus, they simply can’t afford to lose the US as a customer if they want their people to continue to prosper. The ROW is growing too slowly to pick up the slack.You underestimate both the resolve of China and the stupidity of the PGOTUS. Every advisor other than Navarro was against this latest escalation. And I suppose you also believe that China is paying the tariffs.
They are hoping Trump will do what his predecessors did and kick this can down the road. With Schumer and other Dems on side I don’t see that happening.
The simplistic answer to that question is that we will pay them because prices will increase. That’s true if China doesn’t have to compete globally for the US business. Supply chains have had moves planned for some time given the trade tensions. You’d have a hard time finding the cost of tariffs in the inflation numbers.
So in other words when it comes to tariffs you think the PGOTUS is either a lier or a moron. Which is it.I think their resolve to continue stealing IP is high. With a per capita gdp of $9,000 and a large trade surplus, they simply can’t afford to lose the US as a customer if they want their people to continue to prosper. The ROW is growing too slowly to pick up the slack.
They are hoping Trump will do what his predecessors did and kick this can down the road. With Schumer and other Dems on side I don’t see that happening.
The simplistic answer to that question is that we will pay them because prices will increase. That’s true if China doesn’t have to compete globally for the US business. Supply chains have had moves planned for some time given the trade tensions. You’d have a hard time finding the cost of tariffs in the inflation numbers.
The Chinese do not think in terms of election cycles as there is none. they think in terms of generations. The idiot in the WH thinks he can bully the Chinese into changing the entire structure of their economy. This is contrary toi the advice he is getting from virtually every one of his advisors other than Navarro. If the PGOTUS was such a great negotiator and if he had any clue as to how to make a deal he would know that deals are made when both parties win or lose equally. Not when one side thinks he will bully a proud country into submission. Unlike his painting contractors.
I don't understand why some people still think China is stealing American technology. China currently produces 4 times more STEM graduates than the U.S.
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Furthermore, China currently has an effective monopoly on the world's REE Value Chain.[115] (all the refineries and processing plants that transform the raw ore into valuable elements[116]). In the words of Deng Xiaoping, a Chinese politician from the late 1970s to the late 1980s, "The Middle East has oil; we have rare earths ... it is of extremely important strategic significance; we must be sure to handle the rare earth issue properly and make the fullest use of our country's advantage in rare earth resources."[117]
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Furthermore, China currently has an effective monopoly on the world's REE Value Chain.[115] (all the refineries and processing plants that transform the raw ore into valuable elements[116]). In the words of Deng Xiaoping, a Chinese politician from the late 1970s to the late 1980s, "The Middle East has oil; we have rare earths ... it is of extremely important strategic significance; we must be sure to handle the rare earth issue properly and make the fullest use of our country's advantage in rare earth resources."[117]
China continues to require technology transfers as a condition of some companies doing business. There is no doubt they are stealing technology however, that is declining as their indigenous companies become more powerful.I don't understand why some people still think China is stealing American technology. China currently produces 4 times more STEM graduates than the U.S.
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Furthermore, China currently has an effective monopoly on the world's REE Value Chain.[115] (all the refineries and processing plants that transform the raw ore into valuable elements[116]). In the words of Deng Xiaoping, a Chinese politician from the late 1970s to the late 1980s, "The Middle East has oil; we have rare earths ... it is of extremely important strategic significance; we must be sure to handle the rare earth issue properly and make the fullest use of our country's advantage in rare earth resources."[117]
Come on now, be realistic. When companies move all their manufacturing and incremental development, and some of their R&D to China in order to maximize profits, it seems to me inevitable that IP will also move to China.China continues to require technology transfers as a condition of some companies doing business. There is no doubt they are stealing technology however, that is declining as their indigenous companies become more powerful.
You do not understand the issue. it is not a case of moving IP it is a case of mandatory transfer of IP. It is confidential and proprietary to the trasnferor.Come on now, be realistic. When companies move all their manufacturing and incremental development, and some of their R&D to China in order to maximize profits, it seems to me inevitable that IP will also move to China.
I am certain foreign affairs and the military are considering what to do although this a low probability situation. That said, it is one thing to evacuate people from a conflict in Lebanon and quite another if the Chinese Army pours into Hong Kong. The Americans probably won't go there either.https://www.foreignaffairs.com/articles/china/2019-08-05/will-china-crush-protests-hong-kong
If Chinese troops move into Hong Kong and/or the U.S. and the PRC get into some kind of armed conflict, let's hope Trudeau has a plan to rescue/evacuate the 300,000 Canadians in Hong Kong, much like PM Harper did when Lebanon became a war zone several years ago.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/94m-for-lebanon-rescue-but-canadian-evacuee-grateful-1.627646
I respectfully disagree with you. I have 25 years experience in the high tech business.You do not understand the issue. it is not a case of moving IP it is a case of mandatory transfer of IP. It is confidential and proprietary to the trasnferor.
You need to provide evidence for these statements. yes, the Chinese are stealing intellectual property but so did every other country that developed quickly and successfully (e.g. the US, USSR, S Korea, China, Germany, France). Being more historically accurate, the fact is in the past IP regimes barely existed back then. The Chinese probably just see attempts to impose strict IP rules as a way to keep them down and the US up...and they are right.China is an aggressive bully that needs to be stopped NOW, otherwise it will start to be in a position to seriously challenge us around 2050.
At the very least we need to cut economic ties and dependence, the sooner the better.
But, since 1945, how many foreign wars has China instigated or fought, compared to say our great neighbours to the south and even the UK for that matter (e.g. Suez)? They did fight during the Korean War but that was when the US and international forces drove right up to the Chinese border. I think we know who has been the biggest bully int he post war period and that is why they maintain vastly greater military expenditures per capita and maintain over 800 military bases world-wide. The USSR was right there with them until 1989 but China was nowhere to be seen. Give your head a shake.
Now, I would agree that we need to resist any attempts to export Chinese political, surveillance and repressive practices but that is because the Chinese government has deployed these practices to bully its own population. We don't want to see those practices modelled here in Canada.
Good luck cutting off our economy from China.
An article from The Atlantic.I am certain foreign affairs and the military are considering what to do although this a low probability situation. That said, it is one thing to evacuate people from a conflict in Lebanon and quite another if the Chinese Army pours into Hong Kong. The Americans probably won't go there either.
https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2019/08/soviet-union-china-hong-kong/595444/
Maybe the 300,000 Canadians in Hong Kong can act as a buffer to persuade the PRC not to use force. Would the PRC want to piss off Canada?
An article from The Atlantic.I am certain foreign affairs and the military are considering what to do although this a low probability situation. That said, it is one thing to evacuate people from a conflict in Lebanon and quite another if the Chinese Army pours into Hong Kong. The Americans probably won't go there either.
https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2019/08/soviet-union-china-hong-kong/595444/
Maybe the 300,000 Canadians in Hong Kong can act as a buffer to persuade the PRC not to use force. Would the PRC want to piss off Canada?
You are wrong, and I have more time in that industry than you do, and I’m current and have done business in China.I respectfully disagree with you. I have 25 years experience in the high tech business.
I think they will go more this route....An article from The Atlantic.
https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2019/08/soviet-union-china-hong-kong/595444/
Maybe the 300,000 Canadians in Hong Kong can act as a buffer to persuade the PRC not to use force. Would the PRC want to piss off Canada?
https://www.history.com/news/who-was-the-tank-man-of-tiananmen-square
I doubt you have more time in the business than I have (for anonymity I never give real data about myself). But you are correct in that I did no business with China.You are wrong, and I have more time in that industry than you do, and I’m current and have done business in China.
Then respectfully you should understand the issue. Although I complete;ly disagree with the way he is handling it the PGOTUS has not invented the issue.I respectfully disagree with you. I have 25 years experience in the high tech business.
I thought I did. My name is on quite a few patents.Then respectfully you should understand the issue. Although I complete;ly disagree with the way he is handling it the PGOTUS has not invented the issue.
